[Finale] a finale challenge

2005-02-02 Thread jef chippewa
if you ever thought finale was a notational pain in the arse, check this out: http://www.accordionpage.com/hownotation.html wow. maybe someone on the list living in sweden could get on a dogsled and visit this guy to invite him into our century? jef (PS okay so the dogsled comment is kind of

Re: [Finale] Staff Optimaztion Question

2005-02-02 Thread Owain Sutton
Check that the Staff Attributes dialogue for the lower staff has 'allow optimisation' checked. (I suppose also check that 'remove empty staves' is checked in the Staff System Optimisation dialogue is checked, for good measure!) Actually, come to think of it, it could be that it's tripping up

Re: [Finale] Staff Optimaztion Question

2005-02-02 Thread Jari Williamsson
Jim and Pat Sodke wrote: I'm creating a piano chart that has notes entered in the first two systems, and from system three to the end only chord symbols in the treble clef. I'm attempting to optimize those staffs in page layout, and eliminate the bass, but cannot get anything to happen. I'm

Re: [Finale] a finale challenge

2005-02-02 Thread Jari Williamsson
jef chippewa wrote: maybe someone on the list living in sweden could get on a dogsled and visit this guy to invite him into our century? The global warming had the result that large parts of Sweden almost never get any snow nowadays. And if you start looking at the uploads to the Finale

Re: [Finale] Scroll mouse i windows??

2005-02-02 Thread Stig Christensen
Solution! I have downloaded the Logitech mouse driver 9.37 and that solved the problem. It is now possible to scroll horinzontal AND vertical with the scrollwheel! Thanks for the help!! regards Stig Den 2/2-2005, kl. 0.14, skrev Stig Christensen: Thanks for your quick reply. Sorry but it don't

[Finale] Stems

2005-02-02 Thread Pierre Bailleul
Dear list, When upstems, all the 16th note stems cross 16th note joined beams. Not when downstems? Thanks for your responses. Pierre. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] Scroll mouse i windows??

2005-02-02 Thread dhbailey
Richard Yates wrote: Yes, you can scroll in Finale Windows, but not with the most recent Logitech driver (v. 9.79). I'm not sure why, but the new version broke scrolling in Finale, though not in other applications, as far as I can tell. I reverted to an older driver (9.73), and scrolling works

Re: [Finale] Scroll mouse i windows??

2005-02-02 Thread Stig Christensen
You have to uninstall the old mousedriver from the install/uninstall software section of the controlpanel and then install the old driver. venlig hilsen Stig Den 2/2-2005, kl. 3.18, skrev Richard Yates: Yes, you can scroll in Finale Windows, but not with the most recent Logitech driver (v.

[Finale] Smart Line Style (Smart Shapes)

2005-02-02 Thread Stig Christensen
Is it possible to export/import the different lines from the Smart Shape Tool between documents? regards Stig ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] Smart Line Style (Smart Shapes)

2005-02-02 Thread Jari Williamsson
Stig Christensen wrote: Is it possible to export/import the different lines from the Smart Shape Tool between documents? If you cut and paste measures with the smart shape in it, individual line definitions will be copied. Settings Transfer in Forza! Lite can copy all your custom smart shape

Re: [Finale] (Moving OT) The necrosone thread

2005-02-02 Thread Christopher Smith
On Feb 1, 2005, at 8:02 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My sadness right now is about the fact that Dennis Bathory is so smart. And no, I'm not being ironic. In the course of these posts and the responses to them (now approaching book-length), Bathory writes as fine and clear an exposition of the

Re: [Finale] Staff Optimaztion Question

2005-02-02 Thread Christopher Smith
On Feb 2, 2005, at 3:36 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: Jim and Pat Sodke wrote: I'm creating a piano chart that has notes entered in the first two systems, and from system three to the end only chord symbols in the treble clef. I'm attempting to optimize those staffs in page layout, and eliminate

Re: [Finale] a finale challenge

2005-02-02 Thread Richard Yates
if you ever thought finale was a notational pain in the arse, check this out: http://www.accordionpage.com/hownotation.html maybe someone on the list living in sweden could get on a dogsled and visit this guy to invite him into our century? I note that the last line on the page says I then

Re: [Finale] Staff Optimaztion Question

2005-02-02 Thread Jari Williamsson
Christopher Smith wrote: Also, if you have previously tried to optimize, you have to REMOVE optimisation BEFORE you set the group attribute to optimise normally. Otherwise it will not work. No, that's not necessary - that's why I said that you should first go to SCROLL VIEW! Best regards, Jari

Re: [Finale] Staff Optimaztion Question

2005-02-02 Thread Christopher Smith
On Feb 2, 2005, at 8:30 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: Christopher Smith wrote: Also, if you have previously tried to optimize, you have to REMOVE optimisation BEFORE you set the group attribute to optimise normally. Otherwise it will not work. No, that's not necessary - that's why I said that you

Re: [Finale] a finale challenge

2005-02-02 Thread Brad Beyenhof
On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 05:28:28 -0800, Richard Yates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if you ever thought finale was a notational pain in the arse, check this out: http://www.accordionpage.com/hownotation.html maybe someone on the list living in sweden could get on a dogsled and visit this guy to

Re: [Finale] Smart Line Style (Smart Shapes)

2005-02-02 Thread Stig Christensen
Hey Jari! I will try tour progtam! venlig hilsen Stig Den 2/2-2005, kl. 13.40, skrev Jari Williamsson: Stig Christensen wrote: Is it possible to export/import the different lines from the Smart Shape Tool between documents? If you cut and paste measures with the smart shape in it, individual

Re: [Finale] Smart Line Style (Smart Shapes)

2005-02-02 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 10:31 AM 02/02/2005, Stig Christensen wrote: Hey Jari! I will try tour progtam! Unfortunately, Forza is Windows-only at the moment -- and it looks like you're on a Mac. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu

Re: [Finale] OT

2005-02-02 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
Mea culpa ... mea maxima ... etc. Yes, I gave credit to the incorrect person ... no doubt I was agog at the new vistas in my life. This list remains amazing to the techno challanged me. Thank you Darcy. And Kenneth, I'm sure you will answer some question of mine in the future ... I'll have

Re: [Finale] a finale challenge

2005-02-02 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
That made my day! Dean On Feb 2, 2005, at 12:00 AM, jef chippewa wrote: if you ever thought finale was a notational pain in the arse, check this out: http://www.accordionpage.com/hownotation.html wow. maybe someone on the list living in sweden could get on a dogsled and visit this guy to invite

Re: [Finale] a finale challenge

2005-02-02 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
I can't believe I copied out my entire Master's Thesis (87 pages of a wind ensemble score) by hand, using india ink and Cameo paper. I did have the advantage of a hi-tech electric eraser, which sometimes left holes in the paper when pressed too hard. Talk about another century! Dean On Feb 2,

Re: [Finale] up grade advice

2005-02-02 Thread Andrew Stiller
Andrew Stiller wrote: Press three keys to toggle scroll/page view? Give me a break! don't blame Panther for decisions which MM made. What else? Johannes MM wouldn't have made the decision if there hadn't been an OS change. My whole point is that the decisions made by MM in trying to accomodate

Re: [Finale] Smart Line Style (Smart Shapes)

2005-02-02 Thread Stig Christensen
From the spelling it looks like I'm from another planet!! Sorry. I was on Mac (in Finale issues) but now I'm back on Windows, and I must say allthough I don't like it: I think the Win version of Finale is much quicker. Especially the built in keyboard short-cuts works very well!!! But I love

Re: [Finale] Staff Optimaztion Question

2005-02-02 Thread Jari Williamsson
Christopher Smith wrote: It IS rather weird behaviour, just the same. No, it isn't. It's all perfectly logical. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] a finale challenge

2005-02-02 Thread Carl Donsbach
Yes. And then there's the semi-transparent vellum, and razor blades. -Carl --On Wednesday, February 02, 2005 8:11 AM -0800 Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't believe I copied out my entire Master's Thesis (87 pages of a wind ensemble score) by hand, using india ink and Cameo

Re: [Finale] Staff Optimaztion Question

2005-02-02 Thread Christopher Smith
On Wednesday, February 2, 2005, at 11:50 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: Christopher Smith wrote: It IS rather weird behaviour, just the same. No, it isn't. It's all perfectly logical. Just to be clear, this is what I find weird: To turn on normal optimisation in a piano group, you HAVE to be in

Re: [Finale] a finale challenge

2005-02-02 Thread Phil Daley
At 2/2/2005 11:11 AM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: I can't believe I copied out my entire Master's Thesis (87 pages of a wind ensemble score) by hand, using india ink and Cameo paper. I did have the advantage of a hi-tech electric eraser, which sometimes left holes in the paper when pressed too hard.

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-02-02 Thread Andrew Stiller
Another crrosspost from Orchestra-L: Martin Kettle Tuesday February 1, 2005 The Guardian When did the music die? And why? It will be 30 years in August since the death of Dmitri Shostakovitch. Next year also marks the 30th anniversary of the death of Benjamin Britten. Aaron Copland, older than

Re: [Finale] Staff Optimaztion Question

2005-02-02 Thread Jari Williamsson
Christopher Smith wrote: To turn on normal optimisation in a piano group, you HAVE to be in scroll view if you have previously attempted to optimise. Of course, otherwise you can't access the global staff list. If you have NOT previously attempted optimisation, or if you have turned OFF the

Re: [Finale] Staff Optimaztion Question

2005-02-02 Thread Brad Beyenhof
On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 12:09:11 -0500, Christopher Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday, February 2, 2005, at 11:50 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: Christopher Smith wrote: It IS rather weird behaviour, just the same. No, it isn't. It's all perfectly logical. Just to be clear,

Re: [Finale] Staff Optimaztion Question

2005-02-02 Thread Jim and Pat Sodke
Hey all Thanks - I had tried all of the discussed, but not in scroll view. I was getting all of the same results you discussed below. What a pain and a loss of an hour or so. Jim - Original Message - From: Christopher Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Wednesday, February

Re: [Finale] (Moving OT) The good, the bad, and the

2005-02-02 Thread Ken Moore
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dennis Bathory-Kitsz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My point is simple and you give it too much credit in your details. I think you make several points. Three that I get from your recent posts: 1) Your taste in music is largely confined to the contemporary. 2) Non-pop

Re: [Finale] Staff Optimaztion Question

2005-02-02 Thread Darcy James Argue
I'm will Chris on this. Finale's Page View/Scroll view behavior w/r/t optimization *is* incredibly confusing *if you don't already know how it works.* Jari and Brad and I all know how it works, but that doesn't mean how it works is good UI. Good UI would be: 1) The first time you try to

Re: [Finale] a finale challenge

2005-02-02 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
Yes, that's what I meant by Cameo paper. It was an excellent company out of Hollywood, which provided the vellums as well as printing services. I remember averaging 4 pages per day. I also used a nifty little gizmo, the name of which I forget, to write in expressions, etc. It had a tail pin

Re: [Finale] a finale challenge

2005-02-02 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
Egads, you're correct ... that was the 20th Century. How quickly we forget. Yes, in addition to my composition, I, of course, had to write an analysis of it ... about 40 pages, but it was just text with a few musical examples ... easy by comparison to the score work. Dean On Feb 2, 2005, at

[Finale] Scroll mouse i windows??

2005-02-02 Thread Colin Broom
Stig wrote: Solution! I have downloaded the Logitech mouse driver 9.37 and that solved the problem. It is now possible to scroll horinzontal AND vertical with the scrollwheel! Where did you find the earlier driver? I am having a similar problem with the MX500 and I could only find the latest

Re: [Finale] a finale challenge

2005-02-02 Thread Don Hart
When we start talking about the good ol' days and our musical equivalents of walking 5 miles to school in a blizzard, I can't help but think of Finale 1.0! Don on 2/2/05 11:06 AM, Carl Donsbach at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes. And then there's the semi-transparent vellum, and razor blades.

Re: [Finale] a finale challenge

2005-02-02 Thread Gerald Berg
Nah. That was sophisticated. A cloned Apple II+ with Mountain Computer sound cards and a partially built Syntauri keyboard -- pre midi of course. 20 seconds of music at a time then recorded and spliced together -- that was when work was work! Jerry On 2-Feb-05, at 2:47 PM, Don Hart wrote:

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-02-02 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 12:29 PM 2/2/05 -0500, Andrew Stiller wrote: Another crrosspost from Orchestra-L: The pioneer figure was Arnold Schoenberg, with his theory of the emancipation of dissonance The theory, and the term, belong to Charles Seeger. The emancipation of a large chunk of the American population was

Re: [Finale] a finale challenge

2005-02-02 Thread Don Hart
Touché! Yeah, things weren't really that bad, I guess. I was receiving much more from Finale than I was needing from it. Of course that didn't keep us all from poking, prodding and dreaming, not necessarily in that order, toward a new and improved Finale (still doesn't). Many, many slowww,

Re: [Finale] Scroll mouse i windows??

2005-02-02 Thread Stig Christensen
A support guy here in Denmark gave me this address: ftp://ftp.logitech-europe.com/pub/support Here you can find it!! regards Stig Den 2/2-2005, kl. 20.23, skrev Colin Broom: Stig wrote: Solution! I have downloaded the Logitech mouse driver 9.37 and that solved the problem. It is now possible to

Re: [Finale] OT: Upgrading OS's (was TAN: More iKey)

2005-02-02 Thread Mark D Lew
On Jan 31, 2005, at 9:07 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: It is *never* a mistake to leave a computer system alone if it is stable and you are happy with how it works. At most you can say I may be missing out on some features I might like. I side with Robert on this, though I also agree with those

[Finale] iKey woes

2005-02-02 Thread Darcy James Argue
Arrg. I'm still stuck using iKey 2.0 for the time being (can't afford QuicKeys), but I'm having no luck transferring my previous iKey shortcuts to my new Mac mini. I want to do this without deleting the iKey preferences on the new machine. I just want to add my Fin2005a shortcuts, which were

Re: [Finale] a finale challenge

2005-02-02 Thread Carl Dershem
jef chippewa wrote: if you ever thought finale was a notational pain in the arse, check this out: http://www.accordionpage.com/hownotation.html wow. maybe someone on the list living in sweden could get on a dogsled and visit this guy to invite him into our century? jef (PS okay so the dogsled

Re: [Finale] a finale challenge

2005-02-02 Thread Carl Dershem
Dean M. Estabrook wrote: I can't believe I copied out my entire Master's Thesis (87 pages of a wind ensemble score) by hand, using india ink and Cameo paper. I did have the advantage of a hi-tech electric eraser, which sometimes left holes in the paper when pressed too hard. Talk about another

Re: [Finale] a finale challenge

2005-02-02 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
Thanks ... because I could not have afforded to have anyone else do all that work ... although I did have the analysis typed by a professional ... it was either that, or the thing would not have passed muster. Dean On Feb 2, 2005, at 6:00 PM, Carl Dershem wrote: Dean M. Estabrook wrote: I can't

Re: [Finale] iKey woes

2005-02-02 Thread Steve Gibons
First of all, why are you using iKeys 2? Can't you go back to vers. 1? In any event in the iKey2 editor on the old machine File-export, on the new file-Import. Does this work for you? steve On Feb 2, 2005, at 6:49 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Arrg. I'm still stuck using iKey 2.0 for the time

Re: [Finale] (Moving OT) The good, the bad, and the

2005-02-02 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
Ken, thanks for the post and the info. At 03:43 PM 2/2/05 +, Ken Moore wrote: I think you make several points. Three that I get from your recent posts: 1) Your taste in music is largely confined to the contemporary. It is now -- though I have a pretty good knowledge of music history, both

Re: [Finale] (Moving OT) The good, the bad, and the

2005-02-02 Thread Chuck Israels
The world is changing and the musicians who know how to adapt will be the ones who survive. Trying to think how to adapt to this world without pandering (which I don't seem to be constitutionally able to do) and can't figure it out. Whatever esthetic system is out there seems unrelated to the

Re: [Finale] iKey woes

2005-02-02 Thread Darcy James Argue
Hi Steve, I can't go back to iKey 1.x because iKey *destroys* your 1.x shortcuts in the process of importing them into iKey 2.x. That's the only reason -- otherwise, I would have gone back to 1.x immediately. Also, I can't export shortcuts on the old machine because I *sold* the old machine.

Re: [Finale] (Moving OT) The good, the bad, and the difference?

2005-02-02 Thread laloba2
Dennis, Thank you so much for this. Wow!! You said so many things in such a way that, though I share many of your opinions and thoughts, I don't have the gift of expression that you do. I'm really touched and quite frankly in awe of your writing abilities! I have an abiding trust in