Re: [Finale] German question

2006-01-21 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 21.01.2006 Andrew Stiller wrote: Query to the German speakers on this list: does "geschliffen" make sense in this context, and if not, what other reading might you suggest? That is correct, but very old-fashioned. A lot of people (like Jörg) wouldn't even know the meaning of it today, thou

Re: [Finale] German question

2006-01-21 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 22.01.2006 Godofredo Romero wrote: to me it makes more sense the word "schliessen" -which in german is not spelled with to "s" but with a sign i dont have in my computer but that produces the sound of two "s"- which, among its many acceptations means to close, to conclude, to lock, which is

Re: [Finale] Time signature question

2006-01-21 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Keep in mind, this is the guy who didn't take time to RTFM sotake it with a grain of salt.. dhbailey wrote: David W. Fenton wrote: [snip]> My original reply, which I edited, used the term "idiotic." How kind of you. I feel ever so much better now. ___

Re: [Finale] fp

2006-01-21 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 21 Jan 2006, at 4:20 PM, Jim Mays wrote: I understand recent Human Playback can simulate that. However, I'd like to do it manually. No, actually -- trust me, you *really* don't want to do it manually. I have WinFin 2006c, but I have a client who uses WinFin 2005 -- he's the one who wa

Re: [Finale] fp

2006-01-21 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Jim wrote: Relative to your question about defining an expression or articulation of "fp" so that it plays back, this can be done by defining the expression as a text expresion, and defining playback. While I knew what I would do to effect this, the defining shapes for playback is an area I

Re: [Finale] Time signature question

2006-01-21 Thread dhbailey
David W. Fenton wrote: [snip]> My original reply, which I edited, used the term "idiotic." How kind of you. I feel ever so much better now. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailma

Re: [Finale] German question

2006-01-21 Thread Thomas Schaller
except that there is no "geschliessen" the past particle is: geschlossen. Sorry Thomas Schaller On Jan 21, 2006, at 6:25 PM, Godofredo Romero wrote: to me it makes more sense the word "schliessen" -which in german is not spelled with to "s" but with a sign i dont have in my computer but

Re: [Finale] German question

2006-01-21 Thread Godofredo Romero
to me it makes more sense the word "schliessen" -which in german is not spelled with to "s" but with a sign i dont have in my computer but that produces the sound of two "s"- which, among its many acceptations means to close, to conclude, to lock, which is what a slur does when it "locks" or "

RE: [Finale] fp

2006-01-21 Thread David W. Fenton
On 21 Jan 2006 at 16:20, Jim Mays wrote: > I thought I'd ask this question again. No responses the first time > around. It has to be done with continuous data on the volume controller. The results are not likely to be very good without a lot of fiddling, and raise a lot of issues if you aren't

Re: [Finale] Time signature question

2006-01-21 Thread David W. Fenton
On 21 Jan 2006 at 17:07, dhbailey wrote: > David W. Fenton wrote: > > On 21 Jan 2006 at 6:21, dhbailey wrote: > > > >>If you're just placing the two meters beside each other at the start > >>of the work, how will anybody know when a measure is supposed to get > >>the 3/4 feeling instead of hemiol

Re: [Finale] German question

2006-01-21 Thread Jörg Peltzer
Andrew Stiller schrieb: I'm working on a 19th-c. score with instructions in both English and German. At one point, the composer cautions that some triplets are to be "slurred" (since the slur on a triplet does not by itself necessarily imply that a slur is to be performed), and gives a German

Re: [Finale] Time signature question

2006-01-21 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Exactly. After all, he's ALWAYS right. Who care what he thinks anyways? I think alternating 3/4 to 6/8 is just fine, especially if it is some sort of jazz piece where the 6/8 is played in a different feel. In fact, I know I have played something that alternated like this fairly recently. Maybe

[Finale] German question

2006-01-21 Thread Andrew Stiller
I'm working on a 19th-c. score with instructions in both English and German. At one point, the composer cautions that some triplets are to be "slurred" (since the slur on a triplet does not by itself necessarily imply that a slur is to be performed), and gives a German equivalent that looks lik

Re: [Finale] Time signature question

2006-01-21 Thread dhbailey
David W. Fenton wrote: On 21 Jan 2006 at 6:21, dhbailey wrote: If you're just placing the two meters beside each other at the start of the work, how will anybody know when a measure is supposed to get the 3/4 feeling instead of hemiolas in 6/8? From my point of view this is not a very smart

Re: [Finale] Time signature question

2006-01-21 Thread Brad Beyenhof
On 1/21/06, Owain Sutton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Brad Beyenhof wrote: >> On 1/21/06, Owain Sutton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> David W. Fenton wrote: On 21 Jan 2006 at 9:19, Brad Beyenhof wrote: > Yes, I'll admit that that was a silly example, since it can easily be > adapted to

Re: [Finale] Time signature question

2006-01-21 Thread Owain Sutton
Brad Beyenhof wrote: On 1/21/06, Owain Sutton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: David W. Fenton wrote: On 21 Jan 2006 at 9:19, Brad Beyenhof wrote: Yes, I'll admit that that was a silly example, since it can easily be adapted to make either signature clear. What about a dotted half? This is a ludi

RE: [Finale] fp

2006-01-21 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 04:20 PM 1/21/06 -0500, Jim Mays wrote: >I'd like to define either a note expression or articulation to playback >"fp." Not sure how HP does it, but you can create a shape expression that represents this sort of 'envelope', and Finale will adjust the output volume to follow it. It's like the s

Re: [Finale] Time signature question

2006-01-21 Thread Brad Beyenhof
On 1/21/06, Owain Sutton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > David W. Fenton wrote: >> On 21 Jan 2006 at 9:19, Brad Beyenhof wrote: >>> Yes, I'll admit that that was a silly example, since it can easily be >>> adapted to make either signature clear. What about a dotted half? >> >> This is a ludicrous ques

RE: [Finale] fp

2006-01-21 Thread Jim Mays
I thought I'd ask this question again. No responses the first time around. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Mays Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 4:37 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] fp I am having a brain cramp -- or maybe no

Re: [Finale] Time signature question

2006-01-21 Thread Éric Dussault
Le 06-01-21 à 16:05, John Howell a écrit :And another question:  When one does change time signatures, is it proper always to use a double bar line, or never to use a double bar line?  I've always used it, but I'm not sure why.  Of course I use double bar lines at structural points as well, just to

Re: [Finale] Time signature question

2006-01-21 Thread John Howell
At 8:42 PM + 1/21/06, Owain Sutton wrote: David W. Fenton wrote: On 21 Jan 2006 at 9:19, Brad Beyenhof wrote: Yes, I'll admit that that was a silly example, since it can easily be adapted to make either signature clear. What about a dotted half? I've stayed out of this particular food-f

Re: [Finale] Time signature question

2006-01-21 Thread Owain Sutton
David W. Fenton wrote: On 21 Jan 2006 at 9:19, Brad Beyenhof wrote: Yes, I'll admit that that was a silly example, since it can easily be adapted to make either signature clear. What about a dotted half? This is a ludicrous question, seems to me, because there's no way whatsoever for a pe

Re: [Finale] Time signature question

2006-01-21 Thread Don Hart
I'm using "show as" and handling the beaming etc. manually. The adjustments are straight forward and hardly noticeable for this piece. Don on 1/21/06 12:25 PM, Brad Beyenhof at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On 1/21/06, dhbailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Am I misunderstanding the process?

Re: [Finale] Time signature question

2006-01-21 Thread Don Hart
This post provided a nice little nudge for me to explore the positioning of expressions further than I had previously. I guess those of you who are more serious about engraving are already on top of things, but those who aren't should really check this out. I didn't realize that the Measure Posit

Re: [Finale] Time signature question

2006-01-21 Thread David W. Fenton
On 21 Jan 2006 at 9:19, Brad Beyenhof wrote: > On 1/21/06, Christopher Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jan 21, 2006, at 11:22 AM, Brad Beyenhof wrote: > >> Yes, but > what if there are no beams (a half note and a quarter note, >> for > example)? > > How would your example be performed diff

Re: [Finale] Time signature question

2006-01-21 Thread David W. Fenton
On 21 Jan 2006 at 8:22, Brad Beyenhof wrote: > Yes, but what if there are no beams (a half note and a quarter note, > for example)? . . . Well, I don't know how someone could play that without it sounding like it's in 3/4 not 6/8, but if you really wanted them to try, you'd notate it as dotted

Re: [Finale] Time signature question

2006-01-21 Thread David W. Fenton
On 21 Jan 2006 at 6:21, dhbailey wrote: > If you're just placing the two meters beside each other at the start > of the work, how will anybody know when a measure is supposed to get > the 3/4 feeling instead of hemiolas in 6/8? >From my point of view this is not a very smart question. Hundreds of

Re: [Finale] Time signature question

2006-01-21 Thread Don Hart
I think that's where I originally saw this sort of thing. - Don on 1/21/06 5:41 AM, Michael Cook at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I don't know what Don's piece looks like, but to take a well-known > example: "I like to be in America" is notated this way, with 6/8(3/4) > as time signature at the beg

Re: [Finale] Time signature question

2006-01-21 Thread Don Hart
This is an answer to David's question but it gets into a few of the other ideas that have been brought up since. I was a little slow getting around to the list today (it's Saturday after all!). A recurring rhythmic figure in the piece is: q e q e / q q q - one measure clearly 6/8 and one 3/4.

Re: [Finale] Time signature question

2006-01-21 Thread Éric Dussault
Le 06-01-21 à 11:22, Brad Beyenhof a écrit :Yes, but what if there are no beams (a half note and a quarter note, for example)?  in 6/8,  a half plus a quarter note should be written as a dotted quarter tied to an eight note plus a quarter. This make it clear for the reader that he is in 6/8. Really

Re: [Finale] Time signature question

2006-01-21 Thread Brad Beyenhof
On 1/21/06, dhbailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Am I misunderstanding the process? Is there really a way to enter the > two different meters and have Finale automatically switch beaming > between alternating measures? Seems I was misremembering with the alternation thing. In any case, giving t

Re: [Finale] Time signature question

2006-01-21 Thread dhbailey
Christopher Smith wrote: On Jan 21, 2006, at 11:22 AM, Brad Beyenhof wrote: On 1/21/06, Éric Dussault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Le 06-01-21 à 06:21, dhbailey a écrit : If you're just placing the two meters beside each other at the start of the work, how will anybody know when a measure is

Re: [Finale] Time signature question

2006-01-21 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 21.01.2006 Brad Beyenhof wrote: Yes, I'll admit that that was a silly example, since it can easily be adapted to make either signature clear. What about a dotted half? In what way would a dotted half be performed differently in 6/8 and 3/4? Reminds me of Gerald Hoffnung (the GP in 3/4, whi

Re: [Finale] Time signature question

2006-01-21 Thread Brad Beyenhof
On 1/21/06, Christopher Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 21, 2006, at 11:22 AM, Brad Beyenhof wrote: > >> Yes, but what if there are no beams (a half note and a quarter note, >> for example)? > > How would your example be performed differently in 6/8 or 3/4? > > However, the notation of it

Re: [Finale] Time signature question

2006-01-21 Thread Christopher Smith
On Jan 21, 2006, at 11:22 AM, Brad Beyenhof wrote: On 1/21/06, Éric Dussault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Le 06-01-21 à 06:21, dhbailey a écrit : If you're just placing the two meters beside each other at the start of the work, how will anybody know when a measure is supposed to get the 3/4 fe

[Finale] (no subject)

2006-01-21 Thread Andrew J. Fox
It's been years since I posted last, my technical deficiencies have induced me to revisit. I recently purchased a M-Audio Oxygen 8 to use as to enter music into Finale. I seem to have a latency problem. Using hyperscribe I'm trying to record a line of music in 6/8 time into a treble staff. Countoff

Re: [Finale] Time signature question

2006-01-21 Thread Carolyn Bremer
> Yes, but what if there are no beams (a half note and a quarter note, > for example)? Also, Finale might make it difficult to ensure correct > beaming, since it will alternate its default beaming between 6/8 and > 3/4 in each subsequent measure. That's what "adding" timesigs together > is supposed

Re: [Finale] Time signature question

2006-01-21 Thread Brad Beyenhof
On 1/21/06, Éric Dussault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Le 06-01-21 à 06:21, dhbailey a écrit : > >> If you're just placing the two meters beside each other at >> the start of the work, how will anybody know when a measure >> is supposed to get the 3/4 feeling instead of hemiolas in 6/8? >> >> With

Re: [Finale] WinFin2006 & PDF

2006-01-21 Thread Richard Yates
I never got a response to this question from last week so I am asking again: In FinWin2006 has the staff percentage bug been fixed? This occurs when a staff is reduced from 100%. When expressions are dragged they do not stay with the cursor but lag behind in proportion to the amount of reduction.

Re: [Finale] Time signature question

2006-01-21 Thread Éric Dussault
Le 06-01-21 à 06:21, dhbailey a écrit :If you're just placing the two meters beside each other at the start of the work, how will anybody know when a measure is supposed to get the 3/4 feeling instead of hemiolas in 6/8? With both meters allowing 6 8th notes (or 3 quarter notes) it may not be imme

Re: [Finale] Time signature question

2006-01-21 Thread Michael Cook
I don't know what Don's piece looks like, but to take a well-known example: "I like to be in America" is notated this way, with 6/8(3/4) as time signature at the beginning, and I don't think there's any doubt how to play or conduct this piece. Michael Cook On 21 Jan 2006, at 12:21, dhbailey w

Re: [Finale] Time signature question

2006-01-21 Thread dhbailey
Don Hart wrote: Thank you to Johannes, Robert and Eric for the help on this. There is one thing I discovered which seems to alleviate the need for TGTools in this situation. I kept the 3/4 part of the signature in the Time Signature tool and replaced the plus sign with an *option* space. This

Re: [Finale] Time signature question

2006-01-21 Thread Don Hart
Thank you to Johannes, Robert and Eric for the help on this. There is one thing I discovered which seems to alleviate the need for TGTools in this situation. I kept the 3/4 part of the signature in the Time Signature tool and replaced the plus sign with an *option* space. This gave me enough spa