Re: [Finale] Pesky Page Turns

2006-02-19 Thread Michael Cook
On 18 Feb 2006, at 23:46, John Bell wrote: On 18 Feb 2006, at 22:38, Darcy James Argue wrote: However, with string sections, you have a lot more leeway than you do with winds or solo strings, as half the section can keep playing while their stand partners turn the page. No Darcy please! Th

Re: [Finale] Pesky Page Turns

2006-02-19 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 19.02.2006 Michael Cook wrote: Yes, do put page turns in loud passages if possible. The noise of a lot of pages turning can be very distracting: let your violins turn in a tutti passage where, I repeat, you will not notice the difference in sound while half of them stop playing to turn the

Re: [Finale] Pesky Page Turns

2006-02-19 Thread Godofredo Romero
one way would be to use a "fermata" at the end of page two. gr Kim Patrick Clow wrote: I am working on a short sinfonia (movements are about 90 measures long).   The 2 Violin parts are the more sophisticated (versus the Viola and 'Cello parts).   I absolutely can not the 2 Violin

Re: [Finale] Pesky Page Turns

2006-02-19 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 19.02.2006 Godofredo Romero wrote: one way would be to use a "fermata" at the end of page two. An extremely bad way if you ask me. Don't do that if at all avoidable. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de _

Re: [Finale] Pesky Page Turns

2006-02-19 Thread Johannes Gebauer
Thinking about this in more detail, I would add that page turns have to be at different places in chamber music and orchestral music. Eg, in a string quartet it is possible to have a page turn during a GP (although it does depend on the GP). It is also possible to have a page turn during a ver

[Finale] gliss

2006-02-19 Thread Lawrence David Eden
Listers, I am on FinMac 2K3b. I am writing a piano part where I want to indicate a gliss from the left hand to the right hand. I would like the word "gliss" to appear parallel to the gliss sign...IOW, I want the word to appear with the G in gliss on the bottom and the final S on top. I do

Re: [Finale] gliss

2006-02-19 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 08:21 AM 2/19/2006, Lawrence David Eden wrote: >I am writing a piano part where I want to indicate a gliss from the >left hand to the right hand. I would like the word "gliss" to appear >parallel to the gliss sign...IOW, I want the word to appear with the >G in gliss on the bottom and the fin

Re: [Finale] Pesky Page Turns

2006-02-19 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 19.02.2006 dc wrote: Johannes Gebauer écrit: Unless they are completely full of passage work you are either using too large notation, or too small a page size. What's the smallest acceptable size for parts (in percentage reduction)? Depends. Orchestral parts, especially string parts ne

Re: [Finale] Contrabass and clefs

2006-02-19 Thread Andrew Stiller
And by the way, my statement about orchestral practices was not pan-European, it was worldwide. Oh, give me a frigging break. There was no possibility of there being any such thing anywhere except in Europe. My bad. The first opera produced (and composed) in the New World was in 1701. So I

Re: [Finale] Pesky Page Turns

2006-02-19 Thread John Howell
At 1:51 PM +0100 2/19/06, dc wrote: Johannes Gebauer écrit: Unless they are completely full of passage work you are either using too large notation, or too small a page size. What's the smallest acceptable size for parts (in percentage reduction)? Dennis The reduction used by Hal Leonard,

Re: [Finale] Pesky Page Turns

2006-02-19 Thread Christopher Smith
On Feb 19, 2006, at 7:51 AM, dc wrote: Johannes Gebauer écrit: Unless they are completely full of passage work you are either using too large notation, or too small a page size. What's the smallest acceptable size for parts (in percentage reduction)? Dennis I quote from the MOLA Guide

Re: [Finale] Pesky Page Turns

2006-02-19 Thread John Howell
At 12:25 PM -0500 2/19/06, Christopher Smith wrote: End quote. Now for interpretation. 8.5 mm (most readable) is Finale's 100% staff size. The moral: Finale makes it much too easy to reduce size. Just because you CAN do it doesn't mean you SHOULD do it! I don't know how point size relate

Re: [Finale] Pesky Page Turns

2006-02-19 Thread Christopher Smith
On Feb 19, 2006, at 2:17 PM, John Howell wrote: At 12:25 PM -0500 2/19/06, Christopher Smith wrote: End quote. Now for interpretation. 8.5 mm (most readable) is Finale's 100% staff size. The moral: Finale makes it much too easy to reduce size. Just because you CAN do it doesn't mean you

Re: [Finale] gliss

2006-02-19 Thread Karen
Hi Larry, It is option-click on a Mac to get to this point as Aaron suggested. You can also duplicate the line with the Glissando over it so you can see how the original line is working and then click on edit while the duplicate is highlighted. You can then customize your "glissando"

Re: [Finale] Pesky Page Turns

2006-02-19 Thread David W. Fenton
On 19 Feb 2006 at 13:50, Johannes Gebauer wrote: > Thinking about this in more detail, I would add that page turns have > to be at different places in chamber music and orchestral music. > > Eg, in a string quartet it is possible to have a page turn during a GP > (although it does depend on the G

[Finale] Re: reduction size (was Pesky Page Turns)

2006-02-19 Thread Chuck Israels
I've been thinking about this lately. I've been using a 95% staff size reduction on large (9.5" x 12.5") parts paper, and it's more than readable at a considerable distance. Sometimes I think it's even slightly too large for nice proportions. Orchestral parts I've seen are often smaller

Re: [Finale] Re: OT Pipe [was Again--Cut time]

2006-02-19 Thread David W. Fenton
On 19 Feb 2006 at 2:16, A-NO-NE Music wrote: > Ken Moore / 2006/02/18 / 05:06 PM wrote: > > >I never met that outside the context of an OS command line interface. > > Isn't it confined to UNIX? I see that in MS DOS the ">" character is > > called "pipe", because it performs the same function as t

Re: [Finale] Re: reduction size (was Pesky Page Turns)

2006-02-19 Thread David W. Fenton
On 19 Feb 2006 at 12:21, Chuck Israels wrote: > There are times that I think reducing the staff size and increasing > the amount of white space around staves and other objects actually > might make the music more legible. I'm presently struggling with a chronic eye problem (uveitis) that at ti

RE: [Finale] Re: reduction size (was Pesky Page Turns)

2006-02-19 Thread Williams, Jim
Hi, Chuck! I was looking at this issue just today and got some guidelines from the Major Orchestra Librarians' Association (MOLA) *There should be 0.75 in margin on all 4 sides of the page, which implies a MUSIC size of 8.5x11" on the 9.5x12.5" parts paper. *The most readable staff size is

Re: [Finale] Re: reduction size (was Pesky Page Turns)

2006-02-19 Thread Chuck Israels
On Feb 19, 2006, at 12:52 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 19 Feb 2006 at 12:21, Chuck Israels wrote: There are times that I think reducing the staff size and increasing the amount of white space around staves and other objects actually might make the music more legible. I'm presently struggli

[Finale] Re: reduction size (was Pesky Page Turns)

2006-02-19 Thread John Howell
At 12:21 PM -0800 2/19/06, Chuck Israels wrote: Interesting footnote to this and other Finale subjects: I offered to teach a course in Finale music prep (with the help of Hal Owen's Tutorial and a syllabus that Darcy had sent in preparation for offering a similar class in NY) in our departmen

Re: [Finale] Re: reduction size (was Pesky Page Turns)

2006-02-19 Thread Johannes Gebauer
This discussion reminds me of playing a Schubert Symphony from Bärenreiter parts recently, and getting very annoyed about their illegible accidentals. Especially flats and naturals look very alike from the normal reading distance in a violin section. We wrote a lot of them on top, especially in

Re: [Finale] Re: reduction size (was Pesky Page Turns)

2006-02-19 Thread Chuck Israels
Hi Jim, (Yes, I will get to listen to your CD - probably today or tomorrow - sorry!) On Feb 19, 2006, at 1:08 PM, Williams, Jim wrote: Hi, Chuck! I was looking at this issue just today and got some guidelines from the Major Orchestra Librarians' Association (MOLA) *There should be 0.75

Re: [Finale] Re: reduction size (was Pesky Page Turns)

2006-02-19 Thread Christopher Smith
On Feb 19, 2006, at 4:34 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: This is a big issue with hand written music turned in by my students, most of whom seem to think that it's alright to put a reasonably sized note on the middle line of the treble clef with an illegibly tiny accidental next to it. I tell

Re: [Finale] Re: reduction size (was Pesky Page Turns)

2006-02-19 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
Mein Gott ... I'm just remembering my MA Thesis, which composed in 1965 or so, and consists of 87 pages of score for 22 wind instruments. I, of course, hand copied the thing using india ink on vellum from Cameo Music in Hollywood, working 8 hours per day and averaging 4 pages of MS each day.

Re: [Finale] Re: reduction size (was Pesky Page Turns)

2006-02-19 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 03:07 PM 2/19/06 -0800, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: >> Mein Gott ... I'm just remembering my MA Thesis, which composed in >> 1965 or so, and consists of 87 pages of score for 22 wind instruments. >> I, of course, hand copied the thing using india ink on vellum from >> Cameo Music in Hollywood,

Re: [Finale] Re: reduction size (was Pesky Page Turns)

2006-02-19 Thread Carl Dershem
Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Mein Gott ... I'm just remembering my MA Thesis, which composed in 1965 or so, and consists of 87 pages of score for 22 wind instruments. I, of course, hand copied the thing using india ink on vellum from Cameo Music in Hollywood, working 8 hours per day and averagi

[Finale] TAN: new production of original 1935 Porgy and Bess with Gershwin cuts and notes

2006-02-19 Thread Raymond Horton
Forgive the cross post, but I didn't remember if this had been mentioned on this list. (RBH) From [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- posted for Wilson Ochoa [dwochoa at nashvillesymphony dot org] Original 1935 production version of "Porgy and Bess" As has already been mentioned on this disc

Re: [Finale] TAN: new production of original 1935 Porgy and Bess with Gershwin cuts and notes

2006-02-19 Thread Chuck Israels
Very interesting post - thanks for sending it. (Incidentally, John Mauceri was a conducting student at Tanglewood in 1971, when I was a composition fellow. He continues to do interesting work.) Chuck On Feb 19, 2006, at 4:45 PM, Raymond Horton wrote: Forgive the cross post, but I didn't

[Finale] Message Bar Won't Stay Hidden (Mac)

2006-02-19 Thread Brian Williams
Dear List, I'm using Finale 2006d on a Mac PowerBook running OS 10.4.5 and I'm having trouble keeping the message bar hidden after switching to Studio View. I have "Hide Message Bar" selected in the View menu, and it stays temporarily hidden until I select a different tool from the tool bar. Then

Re: [Finale] Re: reduction size (was Pesky Page Turns)

2006-02-19 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Williams, Jim wrote: *60- or 70-lb offset paper, printed both sides. PS: WHERE DO YOU GET THE PARTS PAPER??? A paper vendor that services the printing trade should have this in stock. Major cities have several. If you check the website of offset printing manufacturers (four that I kno

Re: [Finale] Message Bar Won't Stay Hidden (Mac)

2006-02-19 Thread Michael Cook
This is a bug, no doubt. Do report it to MakeMusic. One thing: I find that I can make the message bar disappear again by choosing "Show Message Bar", then choosing "Hide Message Bar", which avoids the hassle of re-starting Finale. Does this work for you? Michael On 20 Feb 2006, at 08:15, Bria