[Finale] OT: Paging Philip Aker; Was: Hyphenating text underlay

Matthew Hindson wrote: Altogether that was the approach I took when creating the hyphenation dictionary on my website. Originally it was created for use with Philip Aker's auto-hyphenation plugin for Finale, and it's by no means finished, but maybe it may be useful for someone. Whatever happ

Re: [Finale] OT: Music in the stones of Rosslyn Chapel?

Yeah, well you guys can debunk most of these premises, but don't mess with Santa Claus and area 51! It's unamerican and too much fun to let go of. Dean On Apr 30, 2007, at 5:39 PM, dhbailey wrote: shirling & neueweise wrote: The idea that A440 had anything to do with music in the

Re: [Finale] Hyphenating text underlay

I would and do ask for that vowel even if we aren't doing G&S, or whatever. It just sings well to eliminate the "r", and to my American ear, does not sound at all affected, unless you speak it, not sing it. If one is doing Sprectstimme (sp?) with English, then I don't know what approach wo

Re: [Finale] Hyphenating text underlay

Not if you pronounce it "L[3]n." Which is what Marshall is suggesting. Dean On Apr 30, 2007, at 7:12 PM, John Howell wrote: But that IS r-as-a-vowel! John At 2:02 PM -0700 4/30/07, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Good point ... Marshall uses "learn" as the vowel sound model. Dean On Apr 30, 20

Re: [Finale] Re: Hyphenating text underlay

Oh ... Marshall and I were speaking strictly about singing ... not speaking ... if that's the issue, I'm sorry. Dean On Apr 30, 2007, at 7:20 PM, John Howell wrote: At 8:16 AM +1000 5/1/07, Matthew Hindson fastmail acct wrote: John Howell wrote: On the contrary, "r" IS a vowel, the ONLY

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On Apr 29, 2007, at 8:32 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: This is probably gonna start a religious war, but I would like to read the members' opinions about hyphenating text underlay. [...] Not so much a religious war as a theological debate, I'd say. mdl ___

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On Apr 30, 2007, at 3:11 PM, Matthew Hindson fastmail acct wrote: Well, OK, my thoughts on this are that hyphenation should follow how the music is sung, i.e. with each note beginning with a consonant, and multi-consonants split. "pro-mise" not "prom-ise". This approach stems from my time

Re: [Finale] Hyphenating text underlay

On Apr 30, 2007, at 1:46 PM, John Howell wrote: Well, I don't know IPA, but could you describe what you mean by [3] by analogy with other standard English words. Otherwise I can't tell what you're suggesting. Well if you don't know IPA you probably also won't know what it means if I say

Re: [Finale] Hyphenating text underlay

At 7:54 PM -0400 4/30/07, David W. Fenton wrote: On 30 Apr 2007 at 15:40, John Howell wrote: Got to go give a Quiz. Talk to you later. When I first read this my initial reaction was to feel nervous, thinking that you'd said you were giving *us* a quiz! :) Ha!!! That'll be the day! But o

[Finale] Re: Hyphenating text underlay

At 8:16 AM +1000 5/1/07, Matthew Hindson fastmail acct wrote: John Howell wrote: On the contrary, "r" IS a vowel, the ONLY vowel in "girl," "bird," or "heard." (That is to say, since it's easy to get tangled up in semantics, it is a phonated sound that can be sustained.) The written vowel

Re: [Finale] Hyphenating text underlay

But that IS r-as-a-vowel! John At 2:02 PM -0700 4/30/07, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Good point ... Marshall uses "learn" as the vowel sound model. Dean On Apr 30, 2007, at 1:46 PM, John Howell wrote: Well, I don't know IPA, but could you describe what you mean by [3] by analogy with other s

Re: [Finale] OT: Music in the stones of Rosslyn Chapel?

shirling & neueweise wrote: The idea that A440 had anything to do with music in the 15th century is ludicrous -- it is entirely a modern compromise. aw come on fenton, don't be such a cynic; clearly this indicates that they were also capable of predicting the future. I thought it stood f

Re: [Finale] Test of a PDF on Mac

On 1 May 2007 at 2:21, shirling & neueweise wrote: > >That's weird! Since she was able to view it in Photoshop, that seems > >to indicate that the fonts WERE embedded after all. > > nope. it _suggests_ they are installed on her computer, _or_ they are > embedded; if she knows photoshop (or anoth

Re: [Finale] OT: Music in the stones of Rosslyn Chapel?

The idea that A440 had anything to do with music in the 15th century is ludicrous -- it is entirely a modern compromise. aw come on fenton, don't be such a cynic; clearly this indicates that they were also capable of predicting the future. -- shirling & neueweise ... new music publishers m

Re: [Finale] Test of a PDF on Mac

That's weird! Since she was able to view it in Photoshop, that seems to indicate that the fonts WERE embedded after all. nope. it _suggests_ they are installed on her computer, _or_ they are embedded; if she knows photoshop (or another digital graphic design programme) well she could tell y

Re: [Finale] Test of a PDF on Mac

On Apr 30, 2007, at 7:45 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: I've recreated the PDF optimized for portability (the default was optimized for speed), and it's here: http://www.dfenton.com/Collegium/Gibbons/Gibbons-LordGrantGrace2.pdf I've also processed that file to optimize it for the Web, and the re

Re: [Finale] Test of a PDF on Mac

That seems pretty obvious to me that all my PDF writer is doing is creating embedded font definitions that include only the used characters. It would make no sense to embed the whole font by name. it doesn't make any sense to me; usually this is what appears when i check my own PDFs: a list o

Re: [Finale] Test of a PDF on Mac

On Apr 29, 2007, at 10:59 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: A Mac user tells me this PDF: http://www.dfenton.com/Collegium/Scores/Gibbons-LordGrantGrace.pdf shows up with weird characters. Are Mac users seeing proper noteheads/rests? It all looked perfect on my MacBook Pro, OS 10.4.9, FinMac 2k

Re: [Finale] Test of a PDF on Mac

On Apr 30, 2007, at 7:10 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 30 Apr 2007 at 8:03, Christopher Smith wrote: What version of Adobe Reader is she using? I understand older versions won't read PDF files correctly all the time. I don't know that she's using Adobe Reader at all, since she's on an OS X

Re: [Finale] OT: Music in the stones of Rosslyn Chapel?

On 30 Apr 2007 at 18:04, John Howell wrote: > It's a con, or an honest obsession, like the Da Vinci code, and the > "Bach tuning" derived from little squiggles on the title page of the > WTC. My opinion only, of course. I'm sure there are lots of people > who believe the Da Vinci code is all tru

Re: [Finale] Hyphenating text underlay

On 30 Apr 2007 at 15:40, John Howell wrote: > Got to go give a Quiz. Talk to you later. When I first read this my initial reaction was to feel nervous, thinking that you'd said you were giving *us* a quiz! :) -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates

Re: [Finale] Test of a PDF on Mac

On 30 Apr 2007 at 19:26, shirling & neueweise wrote: > if you are using special fonts, make sure they are getting embedded; > if the end user doesn't have the fonts installed they won't be able to > read the doc properly. I'm using no special fonts. The file was created yesterday evening from my

Re: [Finale] Test of a PDF on Mac

On 30 Apr 2007 at 9:47, Mark D Lew wrote: > On Apr 30, 2007, at 9:23 AM, Andrew Stiller wrote: > > [answering David Fenton's PDF query] > > > No. All symbols (including the title) show up as rectangles. > > Clearly some kind of font problem. > > It looks fine on mine. I would guess that ther

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As one whose recordings were produced a few clicks from Brno it's easy to relate to R as vowel. On the other hand, how many syllables would "fire" have in the "Hot Time in the Old Town Tonight"? Aaron J. Rabushka [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://users.waymark.net/arabushk - Original Message - Fro

Re: [Finale] Test of a PDF on Mac

On 30 Apr 2007 at 8:03, Christopher Smith wrote: > On Apr 29, 2007, at 10:59 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: > > > A Mac user tells me this PDF: > > > > http://www.dfenton.com/Collegium/Scores/Gibbons-LordGrantGrace.pdf > > > > shows up with weird characters. Generally, I've had no troubles > > gettin

Re: [Finale] Hyphenating text underlay

On Apr 30, 2007, at 6:11 PM, Matthew Hindson fastmail acct wrote: Well, OK, my thoughts on this are that hyphenation should follow how the music is sung, i.e. with each note beginning with a consonant, and multi-consonants split. "pro-mise" not "prom-ise". This approach stems from my ti

Re: [Finale] Hyphenating text underlay

Message: 4 Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 12:36:49 -0500 From: Robert Patterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Finale] Hyphenating text underlay To: finale@shsu.edu Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed I should have added that my instictive prefer

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Remind me to invite you to my next party... only if i get mdl as partner... At 13:25 -0700 4/30/07, Mark D Lew wrote: It's hard for me to imagine pronouncing "damned" as two syllables, but if ever I did encounter it, I think I'd be sorely tempted to hyphenate it "dam-ned". who would make

[Finale] Re: Hyphenating text underlay

John Howell wrote: On the contrary, "r" IS a vowel, the ONLY vowel in "girl," "bird," or "heard." (That is to say, since it's easy to get tangled up in semantics, it is a phonated sound that can be sustained.) The written vowels are effectively mute. Of course, this is when one is spe

Re: [Finale] OT: Music in the stones of Rosslyn Chapel?

At 4:42 PM +0200 4/30/07, Michael Cook wrote: For those interested in supposed secret codes and other zany stuff. As reported by the BBC: "A father and son team from Edinburgh think they have found a secret piece of music hidden in carvings at a famous medieval chapel in Midlothian. Stuart Mi

Re: [Finale] Hyphenating text underlay

Good point ... Marshall uses "learn" as the vowel sound model. Dean On Apr 30, 2007, at 1:46 PM, John Howell wrote: Well, I don't know IPA, but could you describe what you mean by [3] by analogy with other standard English words. Otherwise I can't tell what you're suggesting. John At 1

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Well, I don't know IPA, but could you describe what you mean by [3] by analogy with other standard English words. Otherwise I can't tell what you're suggesting. John At 12:38 PM -0700 4/30/07, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: On Apr 29, 2007, at 4:24 PM, John Howell wrote: Madeleine Marshall info

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Andrew Stiller wrote: >Is this that same _Messiah_ that has "Sing ye comfortobbly to >Jerusalem" and "the dead shall be raised, raised incorruptibble"? > >Sorry, couldn't resist. However: my original point is that -ire is very >frequently *not* treated as a diphthong in English poetry, but as tw

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>but if you write it dam-ned there would be no >need for the stress accent, which will only >confuse most english-speaking singers, especially >if they know a little bit of french and would >expect an accent aigu instead of grave at this >point in the word. otherwise, to indicate grave >inst

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On 30-Apr-07, at 3:40 PM, John Howell wrote: Andrew's point is a good one. "Jazz" itself lacks a rigorous definition aside from, "I know it when I hear it"! Is it a STYLE, or is it a PRACTICE. Does a vocalist have to do scat to qualify as a jazz vocalist? Is a big band chart in perfec

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On Apr 29, 2007, at 4:24 PM, John Howell wrote: Madeleine Marshall informs, "Never sing "r" before a consonant. (p. 9) So, she would have the singers pronounce bird as" b[3]d." I.e., she would maintain that the ONLY vowel in said example is [3], and that the "r" sound does not exist. Thi

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On 30-Apr-07, at 3:24 PM, shirling & neueweise wrote: so, i guess the choices, depending on context of course - sprechstimme vs. precisely notated pitches; slang vs. "proper" english; dialect/regional considerations; broadway vs. "classical" stage performance - are: - dam-ned - damn-èd

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At 12:36 PM -0400 4/30/07, Andrew Stiller wrote: On Apr 30, 2007, at 6:19 AM, dhbailey wrote: Darcy James Argue wrote: I compared the Frank Sinatra and Keith Jarrett recordings of "In The Wee Small Hours of the Morning." I admit that I was stunned at how closely Keith's phrasing of the melod

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And in four syllables it would be "damn-èd com-fy." but if you write it dam-ned there would be no need for the stress accent, which will only confuse most english-speaking singers, especially if they know a little bit of french and would expect an accent aigu instead of grave at this poin

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I didn't get all the way down to the phoneme level, but I did try to precisely notate Frank's rhythms and phrasing, which was very challenging. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 30 Apr 2007, at 12:29 PM, John Howell wrote: At 1:12 AM -0400 4/30/07, Darcy James Argu

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On 30-Apr-07, at 1:05 PM, shirling & neueweise wrote: At 00:36 -0700 4/30/07, Mark D Lew wrote: Suppose your lyric has "comfortable" and you want it to be sung in the common way on three syllables, how would you spell/hyphenate that? darn com-fy That would be "damned com-fy." And in

Re: [Finale] Test of a PDF on Mac

if you are using special fonts, make sure they are getting embedded; if the end user doesn't have the fonts installed they won't be able to read the doc properly. i opened the PDF document properties to see the fonts it contains... very strange, i'll send you an attachment separately. there

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At 00:36 -0700 4/30/07, Mark D Lew wrote: Suppose your lyric has "comfortable" and you want it to be sung in the common way on three syllables, how would you spell/hyphenate that? darn com-fy -- shirling & neueweise ... new music publishers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnota

Re: [Finale] should we expect another upgrade?

At 15:49 -0400 4/29/07, Andrew Stiller wrote: I can't believe that for all the zillions of replies Mark's query generated, nobody every bothered to answer this question. like this? At 13:32 +0200 4/28/07, shirling & neueweise wrote: attach it to the note. (expression menu: context-sensitive

Re: [Finale] Test of a PDF on Mac

On Apr 30, 2007, at 9:23 AM, Andrew Stiller wrote: [answering David Fenton's PDF query] No. All symbols (including the title) show up as rectangles. Clearly some kind of font problem. It looks fine on mine. I would guess that there's some sort of font embedding issue whereby most methods

Re: [Finale] Hyphenating text underlay

On Apr 30, 2007, at 6:19 AM, dhbailey wrote: Darcy James Argue wrote: I compared the Frank Sinatra and Keith Jarrett recordings of "In The Wee Small Hours of the Morning." I admit that I was stunned at how closely Keith's phrasing of the melody resembled Frank's -- I don't think most people

Re: [Finale] Hyphenating text underlay

On Apr 30, 2007, at 3:36 AM, Mark D Lew wrote: A clear example of this is the long melisma in #5 of Handel's Messiah, "and the desi-i-i-i-i-i-ire of all nations shall come". This is consistent with what basic "correct" choral diction would dictate for any diphthong. Is this that same _Mess

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At 1:12 AM -0400 4/30/07, Darcy James Argue wrote: One really great assignments we had at NEC was to transcribe vocal and instrumental versions of the same song, including the accompaniment. The goal here was, in fact, to make the vocal transcription as exact as possible -- not as something you

Re: [Finale] Test of a PDF on Mac

On Apr 29, 2007, at 10:59 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: A Mac user tells me this PDF: http://www.dfenton.com/Collegium/Scores/Gibbons-LordGrantGrace.pdf shows up with weird characters. Are Mac users seeing proper noteheads/rests? No. All symbols (including the title) show up as rectangles

Re: [Finale] OT: Music in the stones of Rosslyn Chapel?

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[Finale] OT: Music in the stones of Rosslyn Chapel?

For those interested in supposed secret codes and other zany stuff. As reported by the BBC: "A father and son team from Edinburgh think they have found a secret piece of music hidden in carvings at a famous medieval chapel in Midlothian. Stuart Mitchell, 41 and his father Tommy, 75, said th

Re: [Finale] Hyphenating text underlay

At 3:56 PM -0400 4/29/07, dhbailey wrote: Christopher Smith wrote: On Apr 29, 2007, at 3:39 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote: You don't say what your hyphenation solution is for "fire", though. I have simply put it in as a melisma, but admittedly it won't be sung the same as if was split to two sylla

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Christopher Smith wrote: On Apr 30, 2007, at 6:19 AM, dhbailey wrote: Darcy James Argue wrote: I compared the Frank Sinatra and Keith Jarrett recordings of "In The Wee Small Hours of the Morning." I admit that I was stunned at how closely Keith's phrasing of the melody resembled Frank's --

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Mark, Thanks for the extensive comments on hyphenation when the pronounciation doesn't reflect the syllabification. On Apr 30, 2007, at 3:36 AM, Mark D Lew wrote: Side note: Personally, I pronounce "i-ron" like "eye-ruhn" even in ordinary speech, and it is a source of ongoing amusement

Re: [Finale] Hyphenating text underlay

On Apr 30, 2007, at 6:19 AM, dhbailey wrote: Darcy James Argue wrote: I compared the Frank Sinatra and Keith Jarrett recordings of "In The Wee Small Hours of the Morning." I admit that I was stunned at how closely Keith's phrasing of the melody resembled Frank's -- I don't think most pe

Re: [Finale] Test of a PDF on Mac

On Apr 29, 2007, at 10:59 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: A Mac user tells me this PDF: http://www.dfenton.com/Collegium/Scores/Gibbons-LordGrantGrace.pdf shows up with weird characters. Generally, I've had no troubles getting PDFs to her via my website, but this has happened once before. She said

Re: [Finale] should we expect another upgrade?

At 06:56 AM 4/30/2007, Lawrence David Eden wrote: >I use meta-tool created expressions all the time...for note attached >and for measure attached expressions. >I have a staff list defined that shows the measure attached >expressions once in the score and on every extracted part. >I am using FinMac

Re: [Finale] should we expect another upgrade?

I use meta-tool created expressions all the time...for note attached and for measure attached expressions. I have a staff list defined that shows the measure attached expressions once in the score and on every extracted part. I am using FinMac 2k3. Did behavior of the program change with later

Re: [Finale] Hyphenating text underlay

Darcy James Argue wrote: One really great assignments we had at NEC was to transcribe vocal and instrumental versions of the same song, including the accompaniment. The goal here was, in fact, to make the vocal transcription as exact as possible -- not as something you'd ever give to a singer,

Re: [Finale] should we expect another upgrade?

On Apr 29, 2007, at 12:49 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote: In the Expression menu, turn on Context Sensitive. Then when you use an expression metatool with the cursor placed directly on or below the note, a note expression will be placed. With any other cursor position, a measure expression will

Re: [Finale] Hyphenating text underlay

On Apr 29, 2007, at 2:37 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: I suppose two syllables in "fire" would be pronounced more or less "Fie-yer" with the short "e" sustained, not "Fie-yer" with the "r" sustained. It IS sung differently than a melisma would be; "Fah- ire". I honestly don't know how to