I said that in case you were going anywhere with "G-string." But if I
read you incorrectly, I apologize.
My daughter is a 31 year-old professional musician. You will get
similar sentiments from _at least_ 90% of the pro violinists you talk
to, at least the ones with good instruments.
RBH
Horn players might rebel "bells up" because of difficulty, but that's a
shame, because it's a neat effect and sound and the conductor can
insist. It is also quite standard now, since Mahler has become
routine. (How about the horns standing in the Mahler First? That still
does not always happ
Tread carefully.
For starters, the violinist is my daughter.
in other words, you are completely unbiased on the subject 8-)
mouthclosedmodeON
When I asked a good violinist about detuning the G string, she
said "That's why God made violas."
there are just too many layers of things to even
Tonight at intermission of our performance of Berlioz "Romeo and
Juliet" (now that is some orchestration - still crazy after all these
years) I asked a couple of cellists about the _Pines of Rome_ example:
>3]# Ottorino Respighi's tone poem The Pines of Rome requires the
cellos to tune the l
Tread carefully.
For starters, the violinist is my daughter.
RBH
shirling & neueweise wrote:
When I asked a good violinist about detuning the G string, she said
"That's why God made violas."
there are just too many layers of things to even begin to respond to
in this...
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When I asked a good violinist about detuning the G string, she said
"That's why God made violas."
there are just too many layers of things to even begin to respond to in this...
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At 3:27 PM -0500 2/22/08, Ray Horton wrote:
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These exceptions MAY be played, but these are in pieces firmly in
the standard rep. An unknown composer bring his/her scordatura
passage with "violin playing several notes below its range" into a
symphony rehearsal will get nowhere. Yes, I know
At 4:09 PM -0600 2/22/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> She didn't even know what scordatura is.
- Original Message -
From: David W. Fenton
2. ask if the composer intends for the player to tune the bottom
string down to accommodate the lower notes, and, if so, shouldn't
I've discussed with a number of people about the apparent difficulty
of getting back in tune afterwards.
my understanding is that it has to do with how long the instrument
has been "sitting" in the scordatura. the instrument will adjust to
whatever you give it (to an extent) and for this re
LOL! The answer to "What does a copyist do?" is
clearly he/she hustles for work.
Oh - me too ;-)
--- Barbara Touburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hahaha! Me first, please! :)
>
> dhbailey wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Me, too, please!
> >
>
>
>
> ___
It's the 1919 (or 1918?!) suite I'm thinking of, yes. I've never seen
anything other than much-abused rental copies of the parts...
I've discussed with a number of people about the apparent difficulty of
getting back in tune afterwards. Many say 'oh no, impossible', without
even considering the
Owain, is it in all the versions of the _Firebird_? Especially, is it
in the 1918 suite that is the most often played? The old Kalmus set of
parts to the 1918 suite was full of errors. There is a new, Kalmus set,
edited by Clark McAlister that is much better.
I agree that this could be an
Marilyn McDonald used Mozart's tuning in a 1986 Smithsonian Chamber Orchestra
recording with Jaap Schroeder on violin. I also heard them perform it live. The
brilliant sound of the re-tuned viola was a revelation to me and gave me even
greater respect for this wonderful work. Unfortunately, it a
>
> [1} I suspect that violinists do not detune for the
> _Firebird_ passage
> but play it with artificial harmonics. I will try to
> remember to ask at
> our concert this evening.
No, it's routinely ignored: it's an instruction to tune the E string
down to D for the harmonic glissandos in
Hahaha! Me first, please! :)
dhbailey wrote:
Me, too, please!
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Barbara Touburg wrote:
Ton Koopman had to do this for a series of Mozart concerts in Japan,
the NMA
had no parts available for rent, so he used this as a solution, but I get
the impression he used a Xerox machine and glue sticks ;)
Koopman (his name means merchant...) doesn't care a lot about
Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
Ah, you have personal experience with Maestro Koopman! I love his Bach
recordings, but I also
love Sir John Eliot Gardiner's as well. I wrote to Koopman once, never heard
back unfortunately, but
I assume he's just really very very busy.
Maybe you misunderstood, I've nev
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Barbara Touburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Koopman (his name means merchant...) doesn't care a lot about how the
> music looks! (I know this from experience.)
>
Ah, you have personal experience with Maestro Koopman! I love his Bach
recordings, but I also
love Si
David W. Fenton wrote:
On 22 Feb 2008 at 15:31, Christopher Smith wrote:
I have played parts that were scanned in from the score, then sliced
into long ribbons and pasted with Photoshop into a new document, then
printed. It was next to illegible. The guy thought he was saving
copyists fees
> She didn't even know what scordatura is.
> - Original Message -
> From: David W. Fenton
> 2. ask if the composer intends for the player to tune the bottom
> string down to accommodate the lower notes, and, if so, shouldn't
> there be a note advising the player about that.
>
i could be wrong, but i assumed the handwriting
chris referred to was in fact illegible, which
would not likely have been the case in the
published editions david and kim refer to. he
didn't seem to be commenting on the practice of
cut-up and photocopied scores.
On 22 Feb 2008 at 15:31,
Ton Koopman had to do this for a series of Mozart concerts in Japan, the NMA
had no parts available for rent, so he used this as a solution, but I get
the impression he used a Xerox machine and glue sticks ;)
Koopman (his name means merchant...) doesn't care a lot about how the
music looks! (I
She didn't even know what scordatura is.
- Original Message -
From: David W. Fenton
2. ask if the composer intends for the player to tune the bottom
string down to accommodate the lower notes, and, if so, shouldn't
there be a note advising the player about that.
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-- Original message --
From: Christopher Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Well, I would say avoid the original version of 2008; it's too buggy
> to work with. The 2008a update fixed a lot.
>
Hi Christopher,
I agree, but I don't know why this freeze on quit bug has
Yes, getting performers to play/sing what I wrote can be a strenuous
political exercise ("you can't mean THAT!"). A 45" choral piece stretched
a choir (=vocal quartet) director beyond his Mendelssohn to Debbie
Friedman comfort zone--he pointed to an octave skip I wrote and said "they
can't sing tha
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Christopher Smith <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have played parts that were scanned in from the score, then sliced
> into long ribbons and pasted with Photoshop into a new document, then
> printed. It was next to illegible.
Ton Koopman had to do this for a se
I imagine experienced violists have seen low B# on more than a few
occasions.
RBH
Christopher Smith wrote:
On 22-Feb-08, at 12:46 PM, shirling & neueweise wrote:
i did the orchestral parts for a not unknown orchestra in germany,
there was a repeated pattern played 10+ times (can't reme
Professional symphonic string players (violin, viola, cello), as a rule,
ignore scordatura and find other ways to play these parts. They do not
detune their instruments, as it can cause serious problems for their
instruments.
If a violinist plays a piece (Bartok _Contrasts_ , for example) t
On 22 Feb 2008 at 15:31, Christopher Smith wrote:
> I have played parts that were scanned in from the score, then sliced
> into long ribbons and pasted with Photoshop into a new document, then
> printed. It was next to illegible. The guy thought he was saving
> copyists fees. He was an idiot
On 22-Feb-08, at 7:27 AM, shirling & neueweise wrote:
the same people who found earlier versions peachy-keen are likely
to find newer versions even more peachy-keen
Heh, heh! I never thought of that!
the people talking about the bugs aren't necessarily saying finale
should be avoided,
On 22-Feb-08, at 12:46 PM, shirling & neueweise wrote:
i did the orchestral parts for a not unknown orchestra in germany,
there was a repeated pattern played 10+ times (can't remember
exactly), the whole orchestra played almost the same rhythm, and
all voices had quite similar but not exa
On 22-Feb-08, at 7:14 AM, shirling & neueweise wrote:
"From a copyist, composers generally [expect] their score to be
copied exactly as they gave it, no more and no less."
Ha.
I have played parts that were scanned in from the score, then sliced
into long ribbons and pasted with Photosho
Henry E. Howey wrote, on 2/22/2008 1:18 PM:
For lomger than I care to remember the "system margins" window is in a
space between the monitors;-) In short, I have not seen it in 3 months. I
have a workaround, but I don't like it. Has anyone figured out a way to
force a wandering window back to the
On 22 Feb 2008 at 9:54, Cecil Rigby wrote:
> For
> example, I copied a piece for a composition student last year that had
> violin playing several notes below its range. I knew this was going to
> draw criticism from the comp professor and so brought it to the young
> lady's attention. She promptl
Out of curiosity I invested a few minutes this morning and called tech
support. The guy I got on the line said that they were working on a
repair to 2008b and when it was done (and, presumably, tested) it
would appear as a new 2008b update (not as 2008c).
ng
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At 6:46 PM +0100 2/22/08, shirling & neueweise wrote:
At 9:54 AM -0500 2/22/08, Cecil Rigby wrote:
For example, I copied a piece for a composition student last year
that had violin playing several notes below its range. I knew this
was going to draw criticism from the comp professor and so brou
I have a 2-monitor setup that I use for a lot of work. (My main machine is
a laptop.) It is a pivot monitor being run by nVidia drivers;-)
For lomger than I care to remember the "system margins" window is in a
space between the monitors;-) In short, I have not seen it in 3 months. I
have a workaro
hi john, thanks.
further, in my view -- as a composer and as a copyist -- the
composer is not always the person who "knows best" about their
scores...
This strikes me as being a weak justification for taking over as
co-composer. You imply that you, who get the score cold and have
spent NO
At 9:54 AM -0500 2/22/08, Cecil Rigby wrote:
For example, I copied a piece for a composition student last year
that had violin playing several notes below its range. I knew this
was going to draw criticism from the comp professor and so brought
it to the young lady's attention. She promptly f
On 22 Feb 2008 at 8:28, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
> So I convert, edit and design ... but
> never merely copy.
The myth of the non-intervening copyist is a myth. I don't understand
where composers got this idea, except insofar as the role of the
score has changed throughout history (what was
shirling & neueweise wrote:
"From a copyist, composers generally [expect] their score to be copied
exactly as they gave it, no more and no less."
i won't say where this came from other than to mention it is from a
composer and was sent to an experienced and diligent copyist i know.
i know
At 9:54 AM -0500 2/22/08, Cecil Rigby wrote:
For example, I copied a piece for a composition student last year
that had violin playing several notes below its range. I knew this
was going to draw criticism from the comp professor and so brought
it to the young lady's attention. She promptly fir
Lawrence David Eden wrote:
From what I keep reading on our List, it sounds like Finale has become
so bug-ridden that it should be avoided. Instead of asking which is
faster, I want to know if Sibelius is more reliable than Finale 2K8x.
Happily, I am using an older version of Finale. I have
dc wrote:
Lawrence David Eden écrit:
Happily, I am using an older version of Finale. I have no complaints
as Finale has been my faithful servant for years. Can users of later
versions of Finale say the same?
Well, after complaining loudly myself, I don't think (Win) 2008a is that
bad. I wa
At 1:14 PM +0100 2/22/08, shirling & neueweise wrote:
"From a copyist, composers generally [expect] their score to be
copied exactly as they gave it, no more and no less."
i won't say where this came from other than to mention it is from a
composer and was sent to an experienced and diligent c
This thread reminds me of that movie (wasn't it about Beethoven?) in which the
female copyist rewrites something and the composer rants about it.
---
If copying is all that's really wanted then that's all I do (but it's really
boring for me even if I am getting paid). In my exper
The Maestro default file is already set to A4.
Stan
On 22 Feb 2008, at 12:29, shirling & neueweise wrote:
change it in your default file (Maestro Default.mus or whatever);
this is what chooses which format in pagesizes.txt to use as default
MacFin 2008b
When I create a new file using W
Hi all:
In addition to being a music fanatic, I have a fondness for maps and related
things.
Today on the Internets, I came across a story about this very unique piece
of art/music:
http://www.bytenet.net/kpclow/music/world-beat-music6.jpg
Copies are available for sale at
http://www.wildaboutmu
In a message dated 22/02/2008 13:18:01 GMT Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
"On Windows:
Open the file "pagesizes.txt" (you'll find it in the Component Files
folder) with a text editor.
Move the whole "A4" line on top.
Save the file.
Restart Finale."
Thank you - that's wor
It depends on what your trying to accomplish. Sibelius provides brackets
and sub brackets as well as keyboard type braces. The bracket and the
brace can be used together but will collide and I have not found a way
to move either from the default horizontal position. They are easily
adjustable v
>I've worked with composers who at fist insist that
>the music be done exactly as presented...
A combative business!
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shirling & neueweise wrote, on 2/22/2008 7:14 AM:
i've always felt
that the copyist's most important role is to improve the performers'
relation with the music
Though I'm swamped with stuff to finish, I had to jump in here and
agree. I've worked with composers who at fist insist that the musi
On Windows:
Open the file "pagesizes.txt" (you'll find it in the Component Files
folder) with a text editor.
Move the whole "A4" line on top.
Save the file.
Restart Finale.
Regards
Giuliano Forghieri
www.musicengraving.it
At 13.19 22/02/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated
change it in your default file (Maestro Default.mus or whatever);
this is what chooses which format in pagesizes.txt to use as default
MacFin 2008b
When I create a new file using Wizard, Garritan instruments shows first.
The page size is always "Letter".
I want to change this to show "A4"
From what I keep reading on our List, it sounds like Finale has
become so bug-ridden that it should be avoided. Instead of asking
which is faster, I want to know if Sibelius is more reliable than
Finale 2K8x.
dude, you're on a finale list; obviously people know more about the
bugs in final
In a message dated 22/02/2008 11:40:34 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
The page size is always "Letter".
I want to change this to show "A4" as default.
I have exactly the same problem on Winfin2006 and would be grateful for a
solution.
Cheers,
Lawrence
lawrenceyates.
"From a copyist, composers generally [expect] their score to be
copied exactly as they gave it, no more and no less."
i won't say where this came from other than to mention it is from a
composer and was sent to an experienced and diligent copyist i know.
i know there are copyists that also
From what I keep reading on our List, it sounds like Finale has
become so bug-ridden that it should be avoided. Instead of asking
which is faster, I want to know if Sibelius is more reliable than
Finale 2K8x.
Happily, I am using an older version of Finale. I have no complaints
as Finale has
MacFin 2008b
When I create a new file using Wizard, Garritan instruments shows first.
The page size is always "Letter".
I want to change this to show "A4" as default.
Clicking "next" to Smartmusic there is no way to alter the page size.
I changed the pagesizes.txt file in component files to rea
dc wrote:
What is really irritating is the fact they don't say a word about why
they removed it, when it will be back, what you should do if you've
already installed it, etc. The lack of communication makes the blunder
much worse...
Well, Carla actually said a bunch of words.
mvh/
Jari
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