Re: [Finale] Click Assignment

2011-12-04 Thread Raymond Horton
Much better! The Poulenc Sonata for Horn, Trumpet, and Trombone is full of jokes, obvious and not so, in the outer movements. These include a few in the notation, of which my favorite are a couple of examples of syncopated rests. Once I told an audience to be sure and listen for them. I was so

Re: [Finale] Hyphenation (was Click Assignment)

2011-12-04 Thread Mark D Lew
On Dec 4, 2011, at 6:31 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: > In both songs, the word is hypenated "Ba-bel" even though in the first > instance it is clearly meant to rhyme with "rabble", which I think is a typo. A perfect example of being led astray by the dictionary! Clearly the copyist looked it

Re: [Finale] Click Assignment

2011-12-04 Thread Mark D Lew
On Dec 4, 2011, at 6:17 PM, Raymond Horton wrote: > But your parallel is not an equal one. If an informed composer chooses to > break the rules of harmony, the sound will be readily apparent. If he/she > breaks the rules of hyphenation, the sound will be apparent only if it is > for some clear a

Re: [Finale] beams across staves

2011-12-04 Thread Darcy James Argue
Hi Chris, Actually, it's easier (and you get better beaming results) to use the new shortcut, which is (on Mac) opt-shift-down arrow/opt-shift-up arrow with notes selected in the Selection Tool: http://blog.finalemusic.com/post/2011/06/28/Finale-QuickTips-Cross-Staff-Beaming.aspx Cheers, - DJ

Re: [Finale] courtesy accidentals

2011-12-04 Thread Darcy James Argue
Hi Linda, I'll reiterate Chris's observation that using the articulation tool to create courtesy accidentals is not the optimal solution. The existing shortcuts in Speedy/Simple are much faster and more reliable in a greater variety of situations (transposing instruments, transposed passages),

Re: [Finale] beams across staves

2011-12-04 Thread Christopher Smith
It's still the same. In the Note Mover tool, make sure you select Cross Staff in the menu, then click the measure, drag across the notes you want to move and drag them down. Christopher On Sun Dec 4, at SundayDec 4 9:36 PM, Katherine Hoover wrote: > > > Years ago one would put - say -

[Finale] beams across staves

2011-12-04 Thread Katherine Hoover
Years ago one would put - say - a run from low to high on the treble staff, then simply pull the lower notes down to the bass staff. The beam would remain, connecting the run across the space between the staves. No more, apparently. Can someone tell me how to do this in 2011? Th

Re: [Finale] Hyphenation (was Click Assignment)

2011-12-04 Thread Christopher Smith
On Sun Dec 4, at SundayDec 4 9:00 PM, Mark D Lew wrote: > The one thing I would say is unclear is where Darcy is quoted and it's not > immediately obvious where his words stop and mine begin. The quoted text is blue in my document, but that didn't get preserved when I copied and pasted. No wo

Re: [Finale] Click Assignment

2011-12-04 Thread Raymond Horton
Ok, it is very simple, then. I am enough of an authority in harmony to trust my own judgement. The same is NOT true when it comes to language, so I look for other authority. If I find disagreement among such authorities on hyphenation, I'll do what I like. But your parallel is not an equal one.

Re: [Finale] Hyphenation (was Click Assignment)

2011-12-04 Thread Mark D Lew
> Here it is, complete. I think I remember editing lightly for typos (not many > of yours!) and punctuation and removing a few paragraphs that I didn't think > were germane. Some of the quoted replied are not clearly delineated in this > formatting, but mostly you can follow it. I've sent it as

Re: [Finale] Hyphenation (was Click Assignment)

2011-12-04 Thread Christopher Smith
On Sun Dec 4, at SundayDec 4 8:18 PM, Mark D Lew wrote: > On Dec 4, 2011, at 5:10 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: > >> Yet, you have pretty much done that. I kept your long post from a few years >> back, and will add this last bit to it. I have never seen such a clearly >> laid-out presentation o

Re: [Finale] Hyphenation (was Click Assignment)

2011-12-04 Thread Mark D Lew
On Dec 4, 2011, at 5:10 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: > Yet, you have pretty much done that. I kept your long post from a few years > back, and will add this last bit to it. I have never seen such a clearly > laid-out presentation of the issues involved in lyric hyphenation. Thanks for the compl

Re: [Finale] Hyphenation (was Click Assignment)

2011-12-04 Thread Christopher Smith
On Sun Dec 4, at SundayDec 4 7:58 PM, Mark D Lew wrote: > > I'm pretty sure I could lay out a clear set of rules for hyphenating in > French, German, Italian, Latin, or Spanish. Writing up a comprehensive set of > rules for English would be a challenge. Yet, you have pretty much done that. I k

Re: [Finale] Click Assignment

2011-12-04 Thread Mark D Lew
On Dec 4, 2011, at 8:58 AM, Raymond Horton wrote: > And every time I think I know the rules I am surprised by some exception. > I try to find authoritative sources whenever possible. Maybe it's because this is close to my specialty, but I think I would dissent from this. The authoritative sourc

Re: [Finale] Hyphenation (was Click Assignment)

2011-12-04 Thread Mark D Lew
On Dec 3, 2011, at 9:40 AM, John Howell wrote: > I agree with Mark in principle, but in practice > it can be a real can of worms! The problem he > cites with English words in long melismas is a > real one, simply because in English each vowel > had a number of possible pronunciations, unlike

Re: [Finale] courtesy accidentals

2011-12-04 Thread John Howell
At 1:55 PM -0500 12/4/11, Mark Ralston wrote: > >Parenthesized accidentals should be used as a reminder that a pitch >has returned to the key signature only after that pitch has been >altered in a previous measure. If you don't use parentheses for >pitches returning to the key signature, the pla

Re: [Finale] courtesy accidentals

2011-12-04 Thread Lawrence Yates
For what it's worth, I always use parentheses for courtesy accidentals - if I don't it leads to the time wasting question, "Why is there a sharp sign there - should the previous one be a natural?" With the parentheses it's recognised as a courtesy. Cheers, Lawrence -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk

Re: [Finale] courtesy accidentals

2011-12-04 Thread Mark Ralston
You do not need to hit the asterisk key first to force the courtesy accidental w/parentheses to show on a note. With the cursor on the beat in question, just hit the "p" key in Speedy to make it appear. It has a toggle action, so another "p" stroke will hide it again. As has been mentioned

[Finale] Playback timing issue

2011-12-04 Thread David Froom
OK, here is a new one for me. Fin Mac 2011, OS 10.6.8. When I play back my current file, the time reported while running (in seconds) is correct, but when I stop, or when I simply type in a measure to start playback, the timing is off. There are number of tempo changes, some done with executa

Re: [Finale] courtesy accidentals

2011-12-04 Thread Linda Worsley
wow! Thanks so much! Linda On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 9:07 AM, TXSTNR POP account wrote: > Hi Linda, > > I'm sending you the Fin 2010 Help Files via YouSendIt.com. Hope this > helps. > > Lon > > On Dec 4, 2011, at 8:09 AM, Linda Worsley wrote: > > > Thanks to everyone for the help on courtesy acci

Re: [Finale] courtesy accidentals

2011-12-04 Thread TXSTNR POP account
Hi Linda, I'm sending you the Fin 2010 Help Files via YouSendIt.com. Hope this helps. Lon On Dec 4, 2011, at 8:09 AM, Linda Worsley wrote: > Thanks to everyone for the help on courtesy accidentals. They all work, > but take about four times as long as I remember. I seem to remember a set > o

Re: [Finale] courtesy accidentals

2011-12-04 Thread Christopher Smith
I used to parenthesise courtesy accidentals, so as to differentiate them from real (needed) accidentals, kind of as a wink to the performer as if to say, "I know you know this is flat now, but this is just to keep you from having to look back and waste CPU cycles thinking about it." But I notic

Re: [Finale] courtesy accidentals

2011-12-04 Thread Linda Worsley
It's my experience that when I give a new piece to the players either for live performance or recording, that leaving out courtesy accidentals *does* waste time. I have always erred on the side of using them, especially when cancelling a previous accidental that might prove confusing. I made this

Re: [Finale] Click Assignment

2011-12-04 Thread Raymond Horton
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 12:40 PM, John Howell wrote: > I've been writing vocal charts for upwards of 60 > years, and I strongly advise using normal, > dictionary hyphenation in ALMOST every case. It > comes under "better the devil you know ..." > > John > Excellent advice - I agree 100%. And

Re: [Finale] courtesy accidentals

2011-12-04 Thread Randolph Peters
On the use of courtesy accidentals: I seem to get more questions from performers if I "really meant to write those notes" when I use courtesy accidentals than when I don't use anything. I just want to clarify things and not waste rehearsal time, but it often seems to backfire. I haven't decided

Re: [Finale] courtesy accidentals

2011-12-04 Thread Michael Withers
Maybe you had created an articulation library that included the symbols from the Maestro font? Two different sizes of accidental in parentheses are : (#) at position 91 and 97 (natural) at 78 and 210 (b) at 65 123 At least they are still there in Maestro in my Fin2003 version Hope that helps M

Re: [Finale] courtesy accidentals

2011-12-04 Thread Christopher Smith
On my Mac, adding a courtesy in Simple Entry is command-shift-minus. I don't use Simple myself (except for Repitch with a MIDI keyboard, which is brilliant) so I don't know what the parentheses would be, but I'm sure it's something simple, maybe P. You don't want to add courtesy accidentals

Re: [Finale] courtesy accidentals

2011-12-04 Thread Linda Worsley
Thanks to everyone for the help on courtesy accidentals. They all work, but take about four times as long as I remember. I seem to remember a set of accidentals, both with and without parentheses in either the articulation tool or the expression tool, where I could just select and position the co

Re: [Finale] courtesy accidentals

2011-12-04 Thread Aaron Sherber
Noel Stoutenburg wrote: > courtesy accidentals) I do press the "P" key. However, in some > circumstances the cursor has to be on the pitch of the note on which I'm > placing the courtesy accidental. That would be if you've got a chord. If you only have one note, the cursor can be vertically anywh

Re: [Finale] Click Assignment

2011-12-04 Thread John Howell
At 11:48 PM -0800 12/2/11, Mark D Lew wrote: > >Also, I would further suggest that "correct" >hyphenation per standard hyphenation rules is >occasionally not the best choice. Hyphenation >in vocal music should above all serve the >singer. Standard hyphenation will usually do >that, but I've

Re: [Finale] courtesy accidentals

2011-12-04 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
My experiences are not quite what Ryan described, but perhaps this is because I use WinFin, rather than MAC. Yes, to force the display of an accidental, I select the note in speedy entry, and press the "*". Also, to place the parenthesis around the note (which I don't always do for courtesy acc