On Jan 20, 2010, at 5:37 AM, David W. Fenton wrote:
I'm stuck working with Finale 2003, and am in the midst of doing a
whole bunch of editions for my viol consort with lyrics. My annoyance
is the whole issue with spacing of melismas -- i.e., if there's a run
of 16ths, if the first has a
On Jan 20, 2010, at 8:33 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
Why isn't this fixed in Finale? Surely it's something Sibelius does
by default, since it's so braindead wrong in Finale!
Can you describe algorithmically what you think the fixed program
should do?
My feeling about lyric spacing is that
On Jan 22, 2010, at 1:02 AM, dc wrote:
In most cases, if you have a decent point-size for your lyrics,
ignoring the lyrics simply won't give you enough space to do things
correctly. In other words, you won't have one or two measures
where the lyrics collide, but more likely 90% of your
On 1/22/2010 3:17 AM, Mark D Lew wrote:
algorithm looking at the lyric syllables at all. For such a piece,
I'd space the entire thing with lyrics unchecked. Then if there are
one or two measures where the lyrics collide, go back and respace
just those measures with lyrics checked.
This brings
On 22 Jan 2010 at 8:26, dc wrote:
David W. Fenton écrit:
It seems I'm out of luck on this, as I don't see any way to hide a
syllable in WinFin 2003.
My memory isn't good enough to recall when hidden characters were
introduced. Is this not a Style available (as italics, or bold, or
On 22 Jan 2010 at 0:17, Mark D Lew wrote:
On Jan 20, 2010, at 5:37 AM, David W. Fenton wrote:
I'm stuck working with Finale 2003, and am in the midst of doing a
whole bunch of editions for my viol consort with lyrics. My annoyance
is the whole issue with spacing of melismas -- i.e., if
On 22 Jan 2010 at 0:24, Mark D Lew wrote:
On Jan 20, 2010, at 8:33 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
Why isn't this fixed in Finale? Surely it's something Sibelius does
by default, since it's so braindead wrong in Finale!
Can you describe algorithmically what you think the fixed program
On 22 Jan 2010 at 1:43, Mark D Lew wrote:
In the paragraph you're responding to, I was referring specifically
to music which is very melismatic, which is what I thought perhaps
David F was dealing with.
The music I was working with was Samuel Scheidt. Here's the current
unproofread score
On 22 Jan 2010 at 11:05, dc wrote:
I wonder why they don't implement this feature. It would put them way ahead
of Sibelius for a change...
How well does Sibelius do with lyrics spacing in melismas and
otherwise?
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David Fenton
On 1/22/2010 9:03 AM, dc wrote:
I can only second that request. Is there any place where one can officially
do so?
Well, you can submit something to the support people through
http://makemusic.custhelp.com My feature request was made in January
2007; the reference number is 070322-041052.
At 12:24 AM -0800 1/22/10, Mark D Lew wrote:
On Jan 20, 2010, at 8:33 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
Why isn't this fixed in Finale? Surely it's something Sibelius does
by default, since it's so braindead wrong in Finale!
Can you describe algorithmically what you think the fixed program should
On 22 Jan 2010 at 20:13, John Howell wrote:
At 12:24 AM -0800 1/22/10, Mark D Lew wrote:
On Jan 20, 2010, at 8:33 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
Why isn't this fixed in Finale? Surely it's something Sibelius does
by default, since it's so braindead wrong in Finale!
Can you describe
At 8:23 PM -0500 1/22/10, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 22 Jan 2010 at 20:13, John Howell wrote:
At 12:24 AM -0800 1/22/10, Mark D Lew wrote:
On Jan 20, 2010, at 8:33 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
Why isn't this fixed in Finale? Surely it's something Sibelius does
by default, since it's so
On Jan 22, 2010, at 5:52 AM, David W. Fenton wrote:
I'm not that picky, though I don't produce the stunningly beautiful
scores that folks like Dennis Collins do (I'm not sure I've ever seen
your engraving, but my bet is you're much pickier than I am -- I'm
just trying to get performable parts
On Jan 22, 2010, at 5:13 PM, John Howell wrote:
No way, not even on a bet! But I can say that of the notation
programs I've used, Sibelius has the best lyrics handling hands
down, both the easiest to enter and the best to look at by default.
Just curious. Supposing Sibelius does put
On Jan 22, 2010, at 5:52 AM, David W. Fenton wrote:
For a syllable that is attached to a note followed by another note
(or several notes) lacking syllables, the width of the syllable
should be allocated to all the notes available before the next
syllable to the right.
It looks pretty simple to
On 22 Jan 2010 at 22:20, Mark D Lew wrote:
On Jan 22, 2010, at 5:52 AM, David W. Fenton wrote:
I'm not that picky, though I don't produce the stunningly beautiful
scores that folks like Dennis Collins do (I'm not sure I've ever seen
your engraving, but my bet is you're much pickier than
On 23 Jan 2010 at 1:39, David W. Fenton wrote:
Given that two of the four main players have to switch
instruments (one bass player doubles on treble, and for this concert,
I'm doubling on bass and tenor, after 18 months of playing tenor
exclusively),
Actually, it's two of the bass players
At 10:24 PM -0800 1/22/10, Mark D Lew wrote:
On Jan 22, 2010, at 5:13 PM, John Howell wrote:
No way, not even on a bet! But I can say that of the notation
programs I've used, Sibelius has the best lyrics handling hands
down, both the easiest to enter and the best to look at by default.
On 21 Jan 2010 at 6:45, dc wrote:
David W. Fenton écrit:
This is what I did, but the spacing was not quite what I'd have
preferred.
You'll get much better results by hidding only the syllables on melismas.
And more work, of course.
It seems I'm out of luck on this, as I don't see any way
I'm stuck working with Finale 2003, and am in the midst of doing a
whole bunch of editions for my viol consort with lyrics. My annoyance
is the whole issue with spacing of melismas -- i.e., if there's a run
of 16ths, if the first has a syllable on it, the full space for the
syllable is
As DC pointed out, this has not changed in the default behaviour of
Finale recently. His solution seems to be better than mine.
If you don't have TG Tools, then you can respace JUST the measures
with melismas after turning off collisions with lyrics. I do this
with chord symbols a lot, as
After using TG Tools New Spacing, how do you get back the word extension
lines for the melismas?
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 6:02 AM, dc den...@free.fr wrote:
David W. Fenton écrit:
I'm stuck working with Finale 2003, and am in the midst of doing a
whole bunch of editions for my viol consort
Dear David,
No, it isn't. The way I have dealt with the problem in Finale 2010 is
to exclude lyrics in music spacing. When there is crowding of lyrics
I use Adjust Syllables in the Lyrics Tool and nudge the syllables
to suit the occasion. It would be nice if there were a simple way to
toggle
For some reason I can't get the word extensions back after I use the New
Spacing feature if I have Smart Word Extensions turned on.
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 10:56 AM, dc den...@free.fr wrote:
dc écrit:
Ryan écrit:
So you're not using the Smart Word Extensions? Unless I'm missing
something,
On 20 Jan 2010 at 9:43, Harold Owen wrote:
The way I have dealt with the problem in Finale 2010 is to
exclude lyrics in music spacing.
This is what I did, but the spacing was not quite what I'd have
preferred.
Why isn't this fixed in Finale? Surely it's something Sibelius does
by default,
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