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On 12 Aug 2005 at 10:12, A-NO-NE Music wrote: > David W. Fenton / 2005/08/11 / 09:23 PM wrote: > > >No, it really isn't. The incorrect Reply-To header is generated by > >the mailing list server. > > I really didn't want to get into this thread, but this has to stop. > The private email from you

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David W. Fenton / 2005/08/11 / 09:23 PM wrote: >No, it really isn't. The incorrect Reply-To header is generated by >the mailing list server. I really didn't want to get into this thread, but this has to stop. The private email from you clearly shows you have Reply-To header which coincides with

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David W. Fenton schrieb: And you have the nerve to accuse *me* of being an asshole! What? Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listin

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On 11 Aug 2005 at 20:59, Aaron Sherber wrote: > At 08:29 PM 08/11/2005, David W. Fenton wrote: > >> That's not the whole picture. People who include the Reply-To can > also >> set the list not to send a duplicate message. . . . > >No, > the list setting only controls duplicated TO: and CC: addr

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On 11 Aug 2005 at 20:51, Aaron Sherber wrote: > At 07:26 PM 08/11/2005, David W. Fenton wrote: > >The message that has the incorrect Reply-To header is not being sent > >by me. > > Yes, it is. No, it really isn't. The incorrect Reply-To header is generated by the mailing list server. > >My

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At 08:51 PM 8/11/05 -0400, Aaron Sherber wrote: >At 07:26 PM 08/11/2005, David W. Fenton wrote: > >The only justification would be if Mailman were not configurable to > >drop the incoming Reply-To header. We know that is not the case. > >I agree that Henry can -- and should -- easily configure Mai

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At 08:29 PM 08/11/2005, David W. Fenton wrote: >> That's not the whole picture. People who include the Reply-To can also >> set the list not to send a duplicate message. . . . > >No, the list setting only controls duplicated TO: and CC: addresses, >and the problem is *not* a duplicate address -- i

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At 07:26 PM 08/11/2005, David W. Fenton wrote: >The message that has the incorrect Reply-To header is not being sent >by me. Yes, it is. >My message to the list is correct in having my email address in the >Reply-To field. Having the same address in a Reply-To header as in your From header is

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On 12 Aug 2005 at 1:06, Simon Troup wrote: > > Does anyone think that's a good idea? > > > > Anyone? > > Doesn't affect us, it's your problem. Take it up with the list owner > and let's move onto something more interesting - we're all agreed > about quoting aren't we. Well, given how much diffi

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On 11 Aug 2005 at 16:42, Brad Beyenhof wrote: > On 11/08/05, David W. Fenton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > It causes problems in one of two ways: > > > > 1. it either inconveniences the people who are paying attention to > > remove the extra address when replying, OR > > > > 2. it inconvenie

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> Does anyone think that's a good idea? > > Anyone? Doesn't affect us, it's your problem. Take it up with the list owner and let's move onto something more interesting - we're all agreed about quoting aren't we. Simon Troup Digital Music Art ___ Fina

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On 11/08/05, David W. Fenton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It causes problems in one of two ways: > > 1. it either inconveniences the people who are paying attention to > remove the extra address when replying, OR > > 2. it inconveniences the person lists in the Reply-To along with the > list, by

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On 12 Aug 2005 at 1:01, Johannes Gebauer wrote: > Dennis Bathory-Kitsz schrieb: > > > Since I keep a big archive of posts that interest me, here's what > > I've found in the 3,009 posts I saved from 2005: > > Wow, this is turning into a research project. > > Anyway, I feel there is enough justi

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On 12 Aug 2005 at 0:54, Johannes Gebauer wrote: > David W. Fenton schrieb: > > Take it up with the list owner. I'm not about to change the > > configuration of my email client to accommodate a mis-configured > > mailing list. > > I am not so sure, actually. Isn't the very nature of a "reply-to"

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David W. Fenton schrieb: Take it up with the list owner. I'm not about to change the configuration of my email client to accommodate a mis-configured mailing list. I am not so sure, actually. Isn't the very nature of a "reply-to" header that you _want_ it to be replied to? So, unless you want

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Dennis Bathory-Kitsz schrieb: Since I keep a big archive of posts that interest me, here's what I've found in the 3,009 posts I saved from 2005: Wow, this is turning into a research project. Anyway, I feel there is enough justification that those who have reply-to headers in their mail to th

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At 03:27 PM 8/11/05 -0400, David W. Fenton wrote: >But the problem is not caused by *me* -- it's caused by an incorrect >configuration of the mailing list software. This is the only mailing >list I'ver ever subscribed to that exhibits this problem. I subscribe to numerous six mailman lists, and

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On 11 Aug 2005 at 15:49, Aaron Sherber wrote: > At 03:27 PM 08/11/2005, David W. Fenton wrote: > >But the problem is not caused by *me* -- it's caused by an incorrect > >configuration of the mailing list software. > > Well, it's caused by a certain setting in the software which would > arguabl

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At 03:27 PM 08/11/2005, David W. Fenton wrote: >I' not sure I quite understand how the list software can address >that, as it isn't processing the header -- the sender's SMTP server >is doing it. Right. If you have 'avoid' set to Yes, what Mailman does is look to see if you are explicitly named

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At 03:29 PM 08/11/2005, David W. Fenton wrote: >Just to clarify: the two addresses are not put there by *me*. When I >send to the list, there's only one address in the Reply-To header, my >own. Right. As I've explained before, Mailman adds the finale@shsu.edu to any existing Reply-To header. >

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On 11 Aug 2005 at 15:41, Johannes Gebauer wrote: > Brad Beyenhof schrieb: > > I'm fairly certain that gmail adds a Reply-To header to every email > > I send out (and that there's no way to change that), but with "avoid > > duplicates" turned on I never get more than one of each message. > > No, m

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> > PS: I am really tired of having to cut out your address from the > > replies. So whoseever fault it is, you either have to live with > > getting individual replies twice from me, or take out your reply-to > > header when you send to the list, to make my life easier. > > Take it up with the list

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On 11 Aug 2005 at 6:17, Brad Beyenhof wrote: > On 10/08/05, Johannes Gebauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Darcy James Argue schrieb: > > > > And it actually makes everyone else's life more difficult, unless > > you actually want double messages, so from now on you (not you, > > Darcy) will get

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On 11 Aug 2005 at 8:44, Johannes Gebauer wrote: > PS: I am really tired of having to cut out your address from the > replies. So whoseever fault it is, you either have to live with > getting individual replies twice from me, or take out your reply-to > header when you send to the list, to make my

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Johannes Gebauer wrote: >I just wished Thunderbird would support selective quoting (where you >select something in the original message, click "Reply", and only that >portion is quoted at the beginning of the reply message). > > >Thunderbird is a great email client, but this is a huge step back f

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At 11:31 AM 08/11/2005, Johannes Gebauer wrote: >In my message "mailman" should have read "Gmail", I think it is clearer >then. We agree I believe. Ah, yes -- thanks for clarifying. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu

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In my message "mailman" should have read "Gmail", I think it is clearer then. We agree I believe. Johannes Aaron Sherber schrieb: At 09:41 AM 08/11/2005, Johannes Gebauer wrote: >No, mailman is obviously not adding a reply-to header, if I click reply >to your message only the finale address

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At 09:41 AM 08/11/2005, Johannes Gebauer wrote: >No, mailman is obviously not adding a reply-to header, if I click reply >to your message only the finale address is put into the To field, not >yours. Right. Mailman is adding 'Reply-To: finale@shsu.edu'. >With David's emails to the list are diffe

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Brad Beyenhof schrieb: I'm fairly certain that gmail adds a Reply-To header to every email I send out (and that there's no way to change that), but with "avoid duplicates" turned on I never get more than one of each message. No, mailman is obviously not adding a reply-to header, if I click repl

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On 10/08/05, Johannes Gebauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Darcy James Argue schrieb: > > And it actually makes everyone else's life more difficult, unless you > actually want double messages, so from now on you (not you, Darcy) will > get double messages from me. Actually, he need not get double

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David W. Fenton wrote: On 10 Aug 2005 at 17:58, Darcy James Argue wrote: I forgot to add, when addressing someone's question, lots of people reply to the replies (not the original), so even if the list was configured to automatically reply-to the individual as well as the list (which it isn

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David W. Fenton schrieb: Well, that's their choice, now isn't it? Why would you want to make life more difficult for Digest readers by suggesting that no one should bother trimming their quotations? What does it cost you to agree that cutting quotations to the minimum is A Good Thing? Or how

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Darcy James Argue schrieb: In that case, then you are one of maybe three people on the entire Finale list who is sending "properly formatted email messages" -- at least by your definition. And it actually makes everyone else's life more difficult, unless you actually want double messages

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On 10 Aug 2005, at 6:17 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 10 Aug 2005 at 17:52, Darcy James Argue wrote: On 10 Aug 2005, at 5:43 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: Er, the mailing list software sets the reply to address on list posts to include both the list and the original poster's address. No it d

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On 10 Aug 2005, at 8:03 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: You responded only to the latter, ignoring the major benefit in order to be insular and tell us how great your own email client is. Well, no, actually, but thanks for trying to read my mind all the same. When I described how Apple Mail handle

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On 10 Aug 2005 at 18:46, Aaron Sherber wrote: > At 06:17 PM 08/10/2005, David W. Fenton wrote: > >It does it for any post to the list that has a Reply-To header (as > >every properly formatted email message should). > > Well, since I'm in a picky mood tonight : > > RFC822 explicitly states tha

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On 10 Aug 2005 at 18:38, Darcy James Argue wrote: > On 10 Aug 2005, at 6:20 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: > > The Digest obviously works for many people or they wouldn't > > subscribe to it. > > That's what we usually call a "tautology," David. Well, I provided a justification for why one would sub

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Top posting On 10/08/05, David W. Fenton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: While I don't like "top posting" I don't object to it at all if the quoted material is judiciously trimmed only to that which is necessary to provide context. I don't mind "top-posting" *too* much, but it does remind m

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On 10/08/05, David W. Fenton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > While I don't like "top posting" I don't object to it at all if the > quoted material is judiciously trimmed only to that which is > necessary to provide context. I don't mind "top-posting" *too* much, but it does remind me of a joke I onc

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At 06:17 PM 08/10/2005, David W. Fenton wrote: >It does it for any post to the list that has a Reply-To header (as >every properly formatted email message should). Well, since I'm in a picky mood tonight : RFC822 explicitly states that the Reply-To header is optional.

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On 10 Aug 2005, at 6:20 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: Why would you want to make life more difficult for Digest readers by suggesting that no one should bother trimming their quotations? Well, I can't think of any reason why I would want to do that, which is why _I never said that._ What do

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On 11 Aug 2005 at 0:06, Johannes Gebauer wrote: > David W. Fenton schrieb: > > Yes, I would agree. There seems to be a certain laziness that sets > > in for people who are using email clients that put the reply *above* > > the quoted text. It seems that those kinds of users tend to > > completely

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On 10 Aug 2005 at 17:58, Darcy James Argue wrote: > I forgot to add, when addressing someone's question, lots of people > reply to the replies (not the original), so even if the list was > configured to automatically reply-to the individual as well as the > list (which it isn't), digest subscri

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On 10 Aug 2005 at 17:52, Darcy James Argue wrote: > On 10 Aug 2005, at 5:43 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: > > > In the last couple of weeks, this list has generated around 75-100 > > messages a day. if you have new mail notification turned on in your > > email client (and there are good reasons to d

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At 05:52 PM 08/10/2005, Darcy James Argue wrote: >On 10 Aug 2005, at 5:43 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: >> Er, the mailing list software sets the reply to address on list posts >> to include both the list and the original poster's address. > >No it doesn't. (It does this when I reply to _you_ for so

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David W. Fenton schrieb: Yes, I would agree. There seems to be a certain laziness that sets in for people who are using email clients that put the reply *above* the quoted text. It seems that those kinds of users tend to completely ignore what is quoted below. While I don't like "top posting"

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I forgot to add, when addressing someone's question, lots of people reply to the replies (not the original), so even if the list was configured to automatically reply-to the individual as well as the list (which it isn't), digest subscribers _still_ wouldn't see many responses to their quer

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On 10 Aug 2005, at 5:43 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: In the last couple of weeks, this list has generated around 75-100 messages a day. if you have new mail notification turned on in your email client (and there are good reasons to do so), that would been 75-100 notices for non-urgent messages. O

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On 10 Aug 2005 at 17:24, Darcy James Argue wrote: > While I'm all for more selective quoting, in this age when virtually > all email clients have mail rules or smart mailboxes or mailing list > managers or thread managers, I have no idea why you or anyone else > subscribes to the digest. What

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On 10 Aug 2005 at 17:08, Andrew Levin wrote: > May put forward a kind reminder for people to quote other emails more > selectively? My digest, especially, ends up two or three times as long > as it needs to be for all of the unnecessary quoting that goes on. Yes, I would agree. There seems to be

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Andrew, While I'm all for more selective quoting, in this age when virtually all email clients have mail rules or smart mailboxes or mailing list managers or thread managers, I have no idea why you or anyone else subscribes to the digest. What possible advantage does the digest have over

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Colleagues, May put forward a kind reminder for people to quote other emails more selectively? My digest, especially, ends up two or three times as long as it needs to be for all of the unnecessary quoting that goes on. Thanks. Andrew ___ Finale m