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On Apr 11, 2005, at 5:41 PM, Raymond Horton wrote: OK, if you approve, not only of David's disagreeing with Brahms (nothing wrong with that) but of the less-than-civil tone of his disagreement, (which takes it to a different level) than I will ask you to provide an example of a truly great compo

[Finale] ot: the launching pad

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Raymond Horton writes: >OK, if you approve, not only of David's disagreeing with Brahms (nothing >wrong with that) Yes >but of the less-than-civil tone of his disagreement, No > >(which takes it to a different level) than I will ask you to provide an >example of a

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sic and Mariposa?  Ah, Paradise!!!   http://arts-mariposa.org/symphony.htmlhttp://www.sierratel.com/mcf/nprc/mso.htm - Original Message - From: David W. Fenton To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] ot; the "launching p

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On Apr 12, 2005, at 3:21 PM, Eden - Lawrence D. wrote: And all this time I thought that Copland was Jewish. How do you know he was an atheist? He was a Commie, for crying out loud--or at least a fellow-traveller! There is, to the best of my recollection, no mention of religious observance anywher

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On 12 Apr 2005 at 10:45, Raymond Horton wrote: > I quote Brahms, mention G_d, and all of a > sudden, I'm Mark Furman or Hitler. You didn't simply quote Brahms. You quoted him *in an approving manner* making a statement that explicitly excluded non-believers as good composers. The quote assert

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On 12 Apr 2005 at 8:55, Florence + Michael wrote: > Apparently Brahms did have something to say about women composers. Can > anybody give me a serious source for this quote, found in a German > musical calendar with no bibliographical references: > > "Es wird dann erst eine Komponistin geben, wen

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And all this time I thought that Copland was Jewish. How do you know he was an atheist? On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, Andrew Stiller wrote: > > On Apr 11, 2005, at 8:41 PM, Raymond Horton wrote: > > > OK, if you approve, not only of David's disagreeing with Brahms > > (nothing wrong with that) but of the

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At 4/12/2005 01:15 PM, Raymond Horton wrote: >But I will not apologize for quoting Brahms on the subject of >spirituality and inspiration when asked - I just should have not chosen >one inflammatory line. But perhaps David's initial expectorating on the >word "spiritual" and his subsequent devalui

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Florence + Michael wrote: Apparently Brahms did have something to say about women composers. Can anybody give me a serious source for this quote, found in a German musical calendar with no bibliographical references: "Es wird dann erst eine Komponistin geben, wenn der erste Mann ein Kind zur We

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It was not the fact that you quoted Brahms, but the way you did it. And I agree with another comment, that had you quoted Wagner in the same manner, there would have been a major outcry (and rightly so). The way you talked about the Brahms quote was, at least as I understood it, on the lines of

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But you stopped writing Johannes! How was I supposed to register my protest if I couldn't have something to not read? Re: Brahms This is not to say that a great composer could be religious (Christian I assume) and be totally in the wrong with God. So we could have a great religious compose

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On Apr 11, 2005, at 8:41 PM, Raymond Horton wrote: OK, if you approve, not only of David's disagreeing with Brahms (nothing wrong with that) but of the less-than-civil tone of his disagreement, (which takes it to a different level) than I will ask you to provide an example of a truly great compo

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Johannes Gebauer wrote: Raymond Horton schrieb: OK, if you approve, not only of David's disagreeing with Brahms (nothing wrong with that) but of the less-than-civil tone of his disagreement, (which takes it to a different level) than I will ask you to provide an example of a truly great composer

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At 4/12/2005 08:01 AM, Richard Yates wrote: >http://www.poopreport.com/Stories/Content/peace.html ROTFL Phil Daley < AutoDesk > http://www.conknet.com/~p_daley ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

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I found David's assessment of Brahms to be very humorous. I suspect that David intended this and I got a good laugh out of his phrasing. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

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Apparently Brahms did have something to say about women composers. Can anybody give me a serious source for this quote, found in a German musical calendar with no bibliographical references: "Es wird dann erst eine Komponistin geben, wenn der erste Mann ein Kind zur Welt gebracht hat" (more or

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Raymond Horton schrieb: OK, if you approve, not only of David's disagreeing with Brahms (nothing wrong with that) but of the less-than-civil tone of his disagreement, (which takes it to a different level) than I will ask you to provide an example of a truly great composer that is an atheist. J

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Yeah, you know, that for someone who hurled epithets and ad hominems at me for being an alleged hate monger a few months ago, the apodictic Mr. Fenton is quick to generalize and homogenize those with whom he does not agree. Dean On Apr 11, 2005, at 4:39 PM, Raymond Horton wrote: David W. Fe

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Darcy James Argue wrote: On 11 Apr 2005, at 8:41 PM, Raymond Horton wrote: OK, if you approve, not only of David's disagreeing with Brahms (nothing wrong with that) but of the less-than-civil tone of his disagreement, (which takes it to a different level) than I will ask you to provide an exampl

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On 11 Apr 2005, at 8:41 PM, Raymond Horton wrote: OK, if you approve, not only of David's disagreeing with Brahms (nothing wrong with that) but of the less-than-civil tone of his disagreement, (which takes it to a different level) than I will ask you to provide an example of a truly great compos

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On 11 Apr 2005, at 7:31 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: "There is no female Mozart because there is no female Jack the Ripper." Camille Paglia, Sexual Personae Is she full of shit, too? Oh, yes, absolutely. [And Dworkin too, if nobody minds me speaking ill of the recently deceased.] - Darcy - [E

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OK, if you approve, not only of David's disagreeing with Brahms (nothing wrong with that) but of the less-than-civil tone of his disagreement, (which takes it to a different level) than I will ask you to provide an example of a truly great composer that is an atheist. The only examples we coul

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David W. Fenton wrote: The word "spirituality" is completely debased in modern discourse, by New Age loonies on the one side and by fundamentalist morons on the other. For a glimpse into the religious-political world of we non-fundamentalist (non-moron) Christians, I heartily recommend: a look

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On Apr 11, 2005, at 5:49 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: On 11 Apr 2005, at 5:17 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: PS - I don't care if he belived that only crosseyed franciscan monks with eleven toes made the best composers Well, neither do I, when it comes to his music, but being a good composer does

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David W. Fenton wrote: On 11 Apr 2005 at 15:29, tim-cates wrote: On Apr 11, 2005, at 3:21 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 11 Apr 2005 at 16:04, Christopher Smith wrote: I would expect a more secular discussion from an international forum such as this. really? I would expect civility a

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Agreed. It is my humble opinion that it has gotten it's due and we should move on. > > From: Darcy James Argue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2005/04/11 Mon PM 05:49:12 EDT > To: finale@shsu.edu > Subject: Re: [Finale] ot; the "launching pad" > > On

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On 11 Apr 2005, at 5:17 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: PS - I don't care if he belived that only crosseyed franciscan monks with eleven toes made the best composers Well, neither do I, when it comes to his music, but being a good composer doesn't mean you're necessarily a good judge of what makes

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Could we PLEASE get back to discussions about "Hyphens" and importing files from Encore ? Personally I don't care what Brahms is full of; peanut butter and jelly would be fine. I joined this list to mitigate my desire to drop kick my laptop because I can't figure out how to change the number o

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On 11 Apr 2005 at 15:29, tim-cates wrote: > On Apr 11, 2005, at 3:21 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: > > > On 11 Apr 2005 at 16:04, Christopher Smith wrote: > > > > I would expect a more secular discussion from an international forum > > such as this. > > really? I would expect civility and respect

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On Apr 11, 2005, at 3:21 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 11 Apr 2005 at 16:04, Christopher Smith wrote: I would expect a more secular discussion from an international forum such as this. really? I would expect civility and respect - not your dogmatic blathering. Thanks for your insight to Bob's que

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On 11 Apr 2005 at 16:04, Christopher Smith wrote: > On Apr 11, 2005, at 3:44 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: > > > On 11 Apr 2005 at 9:52, Raymond Horton wrote: > > > >> under the section labeled "INSPIRATION AND CREATIVITY" including > >> Brahms declaration that "No atheist has ever been or will be

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I suppose what David says might be true ... but it's nothing a high colonic would not have solved. Dean On Apr 11, 2005, at 1:04 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: On Apr 11, 2005, at 3:44 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 11 Apr 2005 at 9:52, Raymond Horton wrote: under the section labeled "INSPIRATION A

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On Apr 11, 2005, at 3:44 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 11 Apr 2005 at 9:52, Raymond Horton wrote: under the section labeled "INSPIRATION AND CREATIVITY" including Brahms declaration that "No atheist has ever been or will be a great composer." Well, Brahms was full of shit. Gee, David, that's prett

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In a message dated 11/04/2005 20:42:53 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, Brahms was full of shit. Come on David, get off the fence, do you agree with him or not?   All the best,   Lawrence   "þaes ofereode - þisses swa maeg"http://lawrenceyates.co.uk

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On 11 Apr 2005 at 9:52, Raymond Horton wrote: > under the section labeled "INSPIRATION AND CREATIVITY" including > Brahms declaration that "No atheist has ever been or will be a great > composer." Well, Brahms was full of shit. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfe

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Bob Florence wrote: Are there any books concerning composing and arranging that cover the spiritual and inspirational aspect. I am always interested in the way other writers get there music off of the "launching pad". I not concerned about what harmonies to use or what instruments to combine. I

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I have been working for George Russell over 17 years, and I learned handful of compositional styles from him. He writes 'master plan' first, which is a graphical map of the entire piece, some are color coded. And his Lydian Chromatic Concept is all about tonal gravity, which is a psychological

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On 10 Apr 2005 at 18:35, Carl Dershem wrote: > David W. Fenton wrote: > > > I wouldn't refer to that as "spiritual," just non-rational, > > unconscious, and, because of that, somewhat mysterious and > > inexplicable. > > > > But "spiritual", well, I *spit* on that word -- it has nothing to do

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the first thing that pops into my mind is a book called "Spiritual Lives of the Great Composers" by Patrick Kavanaugh (sp?) - there's also a book called "Heart of the Artist" by Rory Noland that covers some of this from a Christian perspective (though this one is more of a devotional book for a

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David W. Fenton wrote: I wouldn't refer to that as "spiritual," just non-rational, unconscious, and, because of that, somewhat mysterious and inexplicable. But "spiritual", well, I *spit* on that word -- it has nothing to do with that. Sounds as though we're getting into semantics here. For m

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On 10 Apr 2005 at 18:39, John Howell wrote: > Your question implies that composing and arranging do, in > fact, have spiritual . . . I object to the introduction of the term "spiritual." > . . . and inspirational aspects, and I'm not at all > sure that's true, at least not for everyone and not

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A book that I have found very helpful in this regard is "Composers On Music": http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/132799/qid=1113177751/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/102-6890688-4936940 I think this might be just what you're looking for... Regards, Brennon Bortz > Are there any books concernin

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On Apr 10, 2005, at 4:00 PM, Bob Florence wrote: Are there any books concerning composing and arranging that cover the spiritual and inspirational aspect. I am always interested in the way other writers get there music off of the "launching pad". I not concerned about what harmonies to use or wh

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Hi Bob, I haven't read this yet myself but it was just highly recommended to me by another composer about a month ago. He raved about it. It is called "The War of Art" by Steven Pressfield. I don't think it

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Christopher Smith wrote: Classical composers didn't seem to like talking about their process for some reason, though they seemed to be quite willing to discuss the materials ad infinitum. I've noticed this in several area - a friend and I were discussing it at a gig last night - it used to be T

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On Apr 10, 2005, at 4:00 PM, Bob Florence wrote: Are there any books concerning composing and arranging that cover the spiritual and inspirational aspect. I am always interested in the way other writers get there music off of the "launching pad". I not concerned about what harmonies to use or wh

Re: [Finale] ot; the "launching pad"

Bob Florence wrote: Are there any books concerning composing and arranging that cover the spiritual and inspirational aspect. I am always interested in the way other writers get there music off of the "launching pad". I not concerned about what harmonies to use or what instruments to combine. I

[Finale] ot; the "launching pad"

Are there any books concerning composing and arranging that cover the spiritual and inspirational aspect. I am always interested in the way other writers get there music off of the "launching pad". I not concerned about what harmonies to use or what instruments to combine. I find it so fascinat