On Apr 11, 2005, at 5:41 PM, Raymond Horton wrote:
OK, if you approve, not only of David's disagreeing with Brahms
(nothing wrong with that) but of the less-than-civil tone of his
disagreement, (which takes it to a different level) than I will ask
you to provide an example of a truly great
Raymond Horton schrieb:
OK, if you approve, not only of David's disagreeing with Brahms (nothing
wrong with that) but of the less-than-civil tone of his disagreement,
(which takes it to a different level) than I will ask you to provide an
example of a truly great composer that is an atheist.
Apparently Brahms did have something to say about women composers. Can
anybody give me a serious source for this quote, found in a German
musical calendar with no bibliographical references:
Es wird dann erst eine Komponistin geben, wenn der erste Mann ein Kind
zur Welt gebracht hat
(more or
I found David's assessment of Brahms to be very humorous. I suspect that
David intended this and I got a good laugh out of his phrasing.
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At 4/12/2005 08:01 AM, Richard Yates wrote:
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Johannes Gebauer wrote:
Raymond Horton schrieb:
OK, if you approve, not only of David's disagreeing with Brahms
(nothing wrong with that) but of the less-than-civil tone of his
disagreement, (which takes it to a different level) than I will ask
you to provide an example of a truly great
On Apr 11, 2005, at 8:41 PM, Raymond Horton wrote:
OK, if you approve, not only of David's disagreeing with Brahms
(nothing wrong with that) but of the less-than-civil tone of his
disagreement, (which takes it to a different level) than I will ask
you to provide an example of a truly great
But you stopped writing Johannes! How was I supposed to register my
protest if I couldn't have something to not read?
Re: Brahms
This is not to say that a great composer could be religious (Christian
I assume) and be totally in the wrong with God. So we could have a
great religious
It was not the fact that you quoted Brahms, but the way you did it. And
I agree with another comment, that had you quoted Wagner in the same
manner, there would have been a major outcry (and rightly so).
The way you talked about the Brahms quote was, at least as I understood
it, on the lines
Florence + Michael wrote:
Apparently Brahms did have something to say about women composers. Can
anybody give me a serious source for this quote, found in a German
musical calendar with no bibliographical references:
Es wird dann erst eine Komponistin geben, wenn der erste Mann ein
Kind zur
At 4/12/2005 01:15 PM, Raymond Horton wrote:
But I will not apologize for quoting Brahms on the subject of
spirituality and inspiration when asked - I just should have not chosen
one inflammatory line. But perhaps David's initial expectorating on the
word spiritual and his subsequent devaluing
And all this time I thought that Copland was Jewish.
How do you know he was an atheist?
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, Andrew Stiller wrote:
On Apr 11, 2005, at 8:41 PM, Raymond Horton wrote:
OK, if you approve, not only of David's disagreeing with Brahms
(nothing wrong with that) but of the
On 12 Apr 2005 at 8:55, Florence + Michael wrote:
Apparently Brahms did have something to say about women composers. Can
anybody give me a serious source for this quote, found in a German
musical calendar with no bibliographical references:
Es wird dann erst eine Komponistin geben, wenn der
On 12 Apr 2005 at 10:45, Raymond Horton wrote:
I quote Brahms, mention G_d, and all of a
sudden, I'm Mark Furman or Hitler.
You didn't simply quote Brahms. You quoted him *in an approving
manner* making a statement that explicitly excluded non-believers as
good composers. The quote asserts
On Apr 12, 2005, at 3:21 PM, Eden - Lawrence D. wrote:
And all this time I thought that Copland was Jewish.
How do you know he was an atheist?
He was a Commie, for crying out loud--or at least a fellow-traveller!
There is, to the best of my recollection, no mention of religious
observance
rc/mso.htm
- Original Message -
From:
David W. Fenton
To: finale@shsu.edu
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 12:28
PM
Subject: Re: [Finale] ot; the "launching
pad"
On 12 Apr 2005 at 8:55,
Florence + Michael wrote: Apparently Brahms did have something t
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Raymond Horton
writes:
OK, if you approve, not only of David's disagreeing with Brahms (nothing
wrong with that)
Yes
but of the less-than-civil tone of his disagreement,
No
(which takes it to a different level) than I will ask you to provide an
example of a truly
Bob Florence wrote:
Are there any books concerning composing and arranging that cover the
spiritual and inspirational aspect. I am always interested in the way
other writers get there music off of the launching pad. I not
concerned about what harmonies to use or what instruments to combine. I
On 11 Apr 2005 at 9:52, Raymond Horton wrote:
under the section labeled INSPIRATION AND CREATIVITY including
Brahms declaration that No atheist has ever been or will be a great
composer.
Well, Brahms was full of shit.
--
David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton
In a message dated 11/04/2005 20:42:53 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Well,
Brahms was full of shit.
Come on David, get off the fence, do you agree with him or not?
All the best,
Lawrence
"þaes
ofereode - þisses swa
maeg"http://lawrenceyates.co.uk
On Apr 11, 2005, at 3:44 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 11 Apr 2005 at 9:52, Raymond Horton wrote:
under the section labeled INSPIRATION AND CREATIVITY including
Brahms declaration that No atheist has ever been or will be a great
composer.
Well, Brahms was full of shit.
Gee, David, that's pretty
I suppose what David says might be true ... but it's nothing a high
colonic would not have solved.
Dean
On Apr 11, 2005, at 1:04 PM, Christopher Smith wrote:
On Apr 11, 2005, at 3:44 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 11 Apr 2005 at 9:52, Raymond Horton wrote:
under the section labeled INSPIRATION
On 11 Apr 2005 at 16:04, Christopher Smith wrote:
On Apr 11, 2005, at 3:44 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 11 Apr 2005 at 9:52, Raymond Horton wrote:
under the section labeled INSPIRATION AND CREATIVITY including
Brahms declaration that No atheist has ever been or will be a
great
On Apr 11, 2005, at 3:21 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 11 Apr 2005 at 16:04, Christopher Smith wrote:
I would expect a more secular discussion from an international forum
such as this.
really? I would expect civility and respect - not your dogmatic
blathering. Thanks for your insight to Bob's
On 11 Apr 2005 at 15:29, tim-cates wrote:
On Apr 11, 2005, at 3:21 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 11 Apr 2005 at 16:04, Christopher Smith wrote:
I would expect a more secular discussion from an international forum
such as this.
really? I would expect civility and respect - not your
Could we PLEASE get back to discussions about Hyphens and importing files
from Encore ?
Personally I don't care what Brahms is full of; peanut butter and jelly would
be fine. I joined this list to mitigate my desire to drop kick my laptop
because I can't figure out how to change the number of
On 11 Apr 2005, at 5:17 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
PS - I don't care if he belived that only crosseyed franciscan monks
with eleven toes made the best composers
Well, neither do I, when it comes to his music, but being a good
composer doesn't mean you're necessarily a good judge of what makes
Agreed. It is my humble opinion that it has gotten it's due and we should move
on.
From: Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2005/04/11 Mon PM 05:49:12 EDT
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] ot; the launching pad
On 11 Apr 2005, at 5:17 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
David W. Fenton wrote:
On 11 Apr 2005 at 15:29, tim-cates wrote:
On Apr 11, 2005, at 3:21 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 11 Apr 2005 at 16:04, Christopher Smith wrote:
I would expect a more secular discussion from an international forum
such as this.
really? I would expect civility
On Apr 11, 2005, at 5:49 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
On 11 Apr 2005, at 5:17 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
PS - I don't care if he belived that only crosseyed franciscan monks
with eleven toes made the best composers
Well, neither do I, when it comes to his music, but being a good
composer
David W. Fenton wrote:
The word spirituality is completely debased in modern discourse, by
New Age loonies on the one side and by fundamentalist morons on the
other.
For a glimpse into the religious-political world of we
non-fundamentalist (non-moron) Christians, I heartily recommend: a look
OK, if you approve, not only of David's disagreeing with Brahms (nothing
wrong with that) but of the less-than-civil tone of his disagreement,
(which takes it to a different level) than I will ask you to provide an
example of a truly great composer that is an atheist. The only examples
we
On 11 Apr 2005, at 7:31 PM, Christopher Smith wrote:
There is no female Mozart because there is no female Jack the Ripper.
Camille Paglia, Sexual Personae
Is she full of shit, too?
Oh, yes, absolutely.
[And Dworkin too, if nobody minds me speaking ill of the recently
deceased.]
- Darcy
-
On 11 Apr 2005, at 8:41 PM, Raymond Horton wrote:
OK, if you approve, not only of David's disagreeing with Brahms
(nothing wrong with that) but of the less-than-civil tone of his
disagreement, (which takes it to a different level) than I will ask
you to provide an example of a truly great
Darcy James Argue wrote:
On 11 Apr 2005, at 8:41 PM, Raymond Horton wrote:
OK, if you approve, not only of David's disagreeing with Brahms
(nothing wrong with that) but of the less-than-civil tone of his
disagreement, (which takes it to a different level) than I will ask
you to provide an
Yeah, you know, that for someone who hurled epithets and ad hominems
at me for being an alleged hate monger a few months ago, the
apodictic Mr. Fenton is quick to generalize and homogenize those with
whom he does not agree.
Dean
On Apr 11, 2005, at 4:39 PM, Raymond Horton wrote:
David W.
Are there any books concerning composing and arranging that cover the
spiritual and inspirational aspect. I am always interested in the way
other writers get there music off of the launching pad. I not
concerned about what harmonies to use or what instruments to combine.
I find it so
On Apr 10, 2005, at 4:00 PM, Bob Florence wrote:
Are there any books concerning composing and arranging that cover the
spiritual and inspirational aspect. I am always interested in the way
other writers get there music off of the launching pad. I not
concerned about what harmonies to use or
Christopher Smith wrote:
Classical composers
didn't seem to like talking about their process for some reason, though
they seemed to be quite willing to discuss the materials ad infinitum.
I've noticed this in several area - a friend and I were discussing it at
a gig last night - it used to be
Hi Bob,
I haven't read this yet myself but it was just highly recommended to
me by another composer about a month ago. He raved about it.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0446691437/104-5700617-8007944?v=glance
It is called The War of Art by Steven Pressfield. I don't think it
A book that I have found very helpful in this regard is Composers On Music:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/132799/qid=1113177751/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/102-6890688-4936940
I think this might be just what you're looking for...
Regards,
Brennon Bortz
Are there any books concerning
On 10 Apr 2005 at 18:39, John Howell wrote:
Your question implies that composing and arranging do, in
fact, have spiritual . . .
I object to the introduction of the term spiritual.
. . . and inspirational aspects, and I'm not at all
sure that's true, at least not for everyone and not all
On 10 Apr 2005 at 18:35, Carl Dershem wrote:
David W. Fenton wrote:
I wouldn't refer to that as spiritual, just non-rational,
unconscious, and, because of that, somewhat mysterious and
inexplicable.
But spiritual, well, I *spit* on that word -- it has nothing to do
with that.
I have been working for George Russell over 17 years, and I learned
handful of compositional styles from him.
He writes 'master plan' first, which is a graphical map of the entire
piece, some are color coded. And his Lydian Chromatic Concept http://
www.lydianchromaticconcept.com/ is all about
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