Black Fjords and white markings

This message is from: Phillip Odden This message is from Phil Odden in Northwestern Wisconsin where we still have good snow cover and winter is holding strong. The recent discussions on white markings and now black fjords is interesting. Colors and shades of color are characteristics all of

Re: White markings and Norco...

This message is from: Carol Makosky I never seem to win the lottery either. I suppose one has to buy a ticket first. On 2/1/15 12:15 PM, Kay Van Natta wrote: This message is from: Kay Van Natta I SO wish I could attend the CA meeting in February! I hope I'll get to hear all ab

Re: White markings

This message is from: Kay Van Natta Sent from my iPad > On Feb 1, 2015, at 12:37 PM, Cynthia Madden wrote: > > This message is from: Cynthia Madden > > > Next month's Evaluation/Forum/Annual Meeting in Norco, CA will be focusing > discussing on topics such as this. I'll bet this this one c

White markings and Norco...

This message is from: Kay Van Natta I SO wish I could attend the CA meeting in February! I hope I'll get to hear all about it at our MidWest Club winter meeting in March! Kay in MI (where I did NOT win the state lottery yet again) Sent from my iPad Important FjordHorse List Links: Subs

RE: White markings

This message is from: Cynthia Madden Next month's Evaluation/Forum/Annual Meeting in Norco, CA will be focusing discussing on topics such as this. I'll bet this this one comes up for sure with all the discussion on the list. Norwegians and Danes are attending. I hope to see some of you there!

RE: White markings

This message is from: "Mary Ofjord" I believe that was the Dol Horse - and for a time known as the Dol Horse Wars. Dol horses are usually dark colored, I don't know if they sport a lot of white markings. In the movie Frozen when the reindeer dude was a little boy gathering ice

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had on the breed. Does anyone know if this outside breeding was a factor in white markings or the color variations that Steve mentioned? >From Mary's iPad PLEASE REMOVE ALL E-MAIL ADDRESSES BEFORE SENDING OR FORWARDING THIS EMAIL. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management:

White Markings -- Some Food for Thought

This message is from: Steve McIlree This discussion of white markings and how they should be considered in breeding decisions has got me again thinking on a issue which seems to me to be too often overlooked by many Fjord folks. That is the fact that the worldwide gene pool of the Fjordhorse

RE: white markings

This message is from: "teressa kandianis" The NFHR is a different organization from the Foundation. The Foundation makes the decision on funding - not the NFHR. Plus, if I'm remembering correctly, an anonymous donor funded the study in the amount requested of the NFHR. I always wondered what hap

white markings

This message is from: Patricia Holland Several years ago a young lady while an undergrad and a VERY active member of NFHR and MWFHC took on a two year study of this issue. She addressed and gave presentations to the NFHR BOD at a face to face annual meeting. Her research was focused and intense

Temperament (was Re: White markings)

This message is from: Lori Albrough On 1/27/15 12:48 PM, me.kint wrote: This message is from: "me.kint" And temperament/disposition--kind, willing to work are what our Fjords our known for. But unfortunately our system only allows a superficial evaluation of temperament by evaluators. Th

re: white markings

This message is from: "ruth bushnell" I believe the white marking’s are an integral piece of the Fjord horse DNA and it would be a mistake to attempt to eradicate them; it’s not just a color, it is a particular bloodline marker also. Of course care should be taken not to duplicate the same blood

White markings

This message is from: "me.kint" I'm not a breeder or seller of Fjords but I would hope that evaluations would give biggest equal weight to conformation & disposition then next in importance -movement. Hopefully with good conformation a fjord would have a life without soundness issues & would

RE: Fjord Digest--white markings

This message is from: "Mary Ofjord" This could certainly have implications for what white markings are allowed and which ones are not. B Of course this could be genetically good for the breed as it might allow for greater numbers of Fjords to be kept in the breeding population,

Re: Fjord Digest--white markings

 This has long been observed among Fjords as well.   At the same time, it has also been shown that white markings can arise from environmental factors as there have been incidences where cloned horses (not Fjords) with identical genetics will sometimes vary in their display of white markings. For

White Markings in Fjords.

This message is from: "Ursula Jensen" Thank you all for your answers and suggestions. Like I said it is an interesting point to note, if one is Evaluating a Fjord with white markings. Strikes me from the answers given; is that the white markings go back 150 years and is inherently

Re: Re: Fjord Digest--white markings

1/25/2015 From: Lori Albrough  To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: Fjord Digest--white markings This message is from: Lori Albrough >>From the get go in Canada, the CFHA states No White Markings. > > The NFHR simply says a small white marking is acceptable. > Brian Jensen

White markings & foaling numbers

table.1- One train of thought is that it is simply genetic going back more than150 years. It is part and parcel with the Fjord horse.As an Evaluator, seeing white markings always gives me pause to reflect,what is the correct response? All ideas and comments are appreciated.Brian Jensen Important

Re: Fjord Digest--white markings

This message is from: Gail Russell > ORmaybe the reason I am paying $300 a year to maintain an estimated 10 > foals-worth of semen from WS Romulus, with no plan for using it. While his > genetics are widely available, and he is linebred, there might be something > to be said for maintaining

Re: Fjord Digest--white markings

This message is from: Lori Albrough From the get go in Canada, the CFHA states No White Markings. The NFHR simply says a small white marking is acceptable. Brian Jensen We learned in Norway that a small white star has been part of the breed since records have been kept. The famous

Re: Fjord Digest--white markings

s that did not display undesirable characteristics. It doesn't mean that they won't crop up, but could reduce the risk. Because the genetics are available in both of these lines, I don't think that trying to reduce the incidence of white markings is limiting genetic diversity. However, I do

Re: Fjord Digest--white markings

; One question about Fjords that pops up routinely all over the Fjord world >is the question of white markings on Fjords. In Europe, I believe that mares >are allowed a small white marking on the forehead. Stallions are not allowed >white markings. Correct me if I am wrong. > >From the g

Re: Hermitage CDE, pony measurement and white markings

rdeth Obenauf To: fjordhorse Sent: Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:04 am Subject: Hermitage CDE, pony measurement and white markings This message is from: "Ardeth Obenauf" just came back from a fabulous weekend at the Hermitage CDE near ouisville. This is a wonderful event put on by some amazin

RE: Hermitage CDE, pony measurement and white markings

This message is from: "Curtis" It will be interesting how USEF interprets a Fjord's white muzzle. Their own definition is: A white mark can be regular or irregular and can be bordered by a band of black skin that shows under the white hair at the edge of the mark (the area appears bluish). It c

Hermitage CDE, pony measurement and white markings

This message is from: "Ardeth Obenauf" I just came back from a fabulous weekend at the Hermitage CDE near Louisville. This is a wonderful event put on by some amazing people with a real love for combined driving. After several years in CDEs, Lena and I are now competing at Intermediate Level

white markings in Canada

This message is from: pedfjo...@aol.com I remember a while back Anita Unrau telling me that she imported a Fjord mare with white face markings that Canada would not register. So, she said that she " just registered her with the NFHR ! "; ) Lisa Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscr

Re: Fjord Future or white markings

This message is from: "ruth bushnell" This message is from: jern...@mosquitonet.com I would imagine this prevents the mating of two Fjords with white stars and they probably also figured that stallions would produce more offspring than mares. Jean in Fairbanks,Alaska, finally with light s

Re: Fjord Future or white markings

This message is from: jern...@mosquitonet.com I would imagine this prevents the mating of two Fjords with white stars and they probably also figured that stallions would produce more offspring than mares. Jean in Fairbanks,Alaska, finally with light snow that will stay for the winter? > I WOND

Re: Fjord Future or white markings

This message is from: "ruth bushnell" Hello Brian~ Fjords with white stars can be and are being registered in Canada. Where in the CFHA bylaws or constitution does it say they "disallow all white markings in their Registrations of pure bred stock"? ~Eunice Bosomwort

RE: White Dun's with White Markings

This message is from: Corinne Logan From: Patti Walter > Subject: White Dun's with White Markings > I have a question on markings and genetics. This is not my strong suit > so it might be a silly question but..can someone please tell me - > You have FULL siblings same sire

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rds. White and flesh-coloured markings are inherited in a recessive way. That means that the genes can be carried hidden, and that both parents must have these genes if the offspring shall get visible markings." So-called (in English) "white duns" (uls dun, or wool dun in Norwegian

RE: White Dun's with White Markings

This message is from: "plumg...@pon.net" You should definitely fill out the survey on Silas. That is the way the answer to your question can be found. Gail Russell Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classi

White Dun's with White Markings

This message is from: Patti Walter I have to disagree with the Pink Skin on a White Dun with White Markings. I had O.H. Silas who was a WHITE Dun Gelding, and he has a WHITE STAR, small and you REALLY had to look for it, but it was there. Nobody would probably even notice cause he is

white markings and sources of research

This message is from: "pholl...@mail.internetni.com" Lisa P wrote: I will have to read Phills article again. Lisa Pat Holland writes: Comparing what Robin is doing at University level and reading the article Phil scratched together is like comparing The Wall Street Journal with The

White markings in Fjords

This message is from: morrisshado...@aol.com Regarding white markings A few questions Are you referring to white markings with pink skin only? As all fjords have white hairs. Are there certain areas of the body that would be excluded? How much area or hairs counts as a white marking? If

White Markings Survey/Study

This message is from: "robin.holl...@murraystate.edu" Dear Fjord Digest I am conducting a research study on white markings in the Norwegian Fjord Horse. I am writing this asking for information from Fjord owners, trainers, and/or breeders. PLEASE visit our webs

white markings

This message is from: "Mail" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Not to add fuel to the fire BUT...I wonder how many horses are out there that DO have white socks,blazes,etc that are NOT noted on their registration? Some may not think it important to note on the registration of a gelding ,but I as a mare owner w

Re: White Markings & Rudaren

: Saturday, November 03, 2007 3:33 PM Subject: Re: White Markings & Rudaren This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In a message dated 11/2/2007 3:45:45 P.M Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Apparently the fol

Re: White Markings & Rudaren

This message is from: "jerrell friz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I had a Rudaren son that breed several mares, not one of the off spring had any white markings. Rudaren did not have any white markings, I saw him many times. It boggles my mind when people start these rumors. Rud

Re: White Markings & Rudaren

This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 11/2/2007 3:45:45 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Apparently the folk lore around here says if a horse with a star is a Mare and if Rudaren is in their lineage it is an acceptable marking. *

Re: White Markings

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White Markings

This message is from: Sharon Knipe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have 2 Brown Dun Mares who are not directly related and both of them have small white stars. They are Canadian Horses and both of them have the stallion Rudaren in their lineage. Apparently the folk lore around here says if a horse with a

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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here we go again. Are we as a breed going to accept white marks on our fjords? I was going to buy a red mare that had a small star you could hardly see but, I didn't because of it. Everything else was good. I think if we are not going to accept it whe

Re: white markings

This message is from: briar hill farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Last year, one of our mares produced a beautiful colt, a dark, rich brown dun with a prominent white star. This was the mare's 6th foal, the first with a white mark. I talked with the stallion owner (who hadn't had white come up in othe

Re: Color/ White Markings/NFHR 25th Newspaper Mention

s more simple to understand. It can be viewed at http://oliviafarm.com/page5.html . By no means is everything known about color within the breed. Items such as striping, variation within a color, and uncharacteristic white markings are all areas that merit more research. In fact my

White markings in Norway evaluations

This message is from: Dagrun Aarsten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> As far as white markings, do the horses get marked down if the white mark is due to a wound. I have one that had a bad wound around the ankle and the hair that grew back has a few white areas or tufts. Mark Skeels Hi Mark,

Re: White markings

This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] HI Mike, Great news, thanks! Lynda

Re: White markings

This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 12:29 PM 2/6/2005, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now, I realize the Fjord Herald is sometimes used for this type of communication (although I do not remember reading the minutes from all the committees

White markings

r those who do make baby fjords it is important to understand this issue. My purpose is to get the information about white markings out there. This is an issue of breed standards that doesn't require a trained eye to see. Where as understanding the subtle differences in croup shape or head pr

Re: white markings

no white, her dad doesn't either. She's a looker and she's a mover but theres that white star. What I also don't understand, if you breed a brown fjord to a white fjord, who has these white markings, why wouldn't the foal carry these white markings in her/his DNA, and even

Sponeneberg on genetics of White markings

This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My favorite reference for color genetics in horses is Dr. Phil Sponenberg in his two books, HORSE COLOR and EQUINE COLOR GENETICS. Sponenberg also wrote a great article on color genetics in Fjords which was published a while back in the Fj

Re: White markings

This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Mike, Beth, Phillip, everyone, Thanks so much for the responses! I am pleased to hear we are still using our standard, although agree the white star issue needs to be changed, unless there is some sort of genetic need for it and I certainly have no

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hen?? Her mom has no white, her dad doesn't either. She's a looker and she's a mover but theres that white star. What I also don't understand, if you breed a brown fjord to a white fjord, who has these white markings, why wouldn't the foal carry these white markings in her

Re: White markings

This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The Canadian Fjord Horse Association does list white markings in their registry. I don't know if everyone who has registered their Fjords in CFHA have been forthcoming with that info, but they do ask for it and you can see that wh

Re: White markings

This message is from: "Ruth Bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I too would be interested in a definitive response on which of these two standards is used in evaluating.. it is infeasible that we would be breeding to the customary Standard, but judged by an uncustomary. (Ruthie >

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else's) WOULD be followed and the star would NOT be counted against. This has not come up as an issue in the past, as no stallions with white markings, to my knowledge, have been presented in NFHR evaluations. There have been other past oversights in the writing of the evaluation rules that

Re: White markings

This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 08:29 AM 2/6/2005, you wrote: This message is from: "Ruth Bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I too would be interested in a definitive response on which of these two standards is used in evaluating.. it is infeasible that we wo

Re: White markings

This message is from: "Ruth Bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I think this discussion about white markings is important. As a member of the evaluation committee... At this time we don't accept stars on stallions. What about 5-10 white hairs? Do they get a 0? How about 2 hair

RE: White markings

This message is from: "Gail Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> . So one could say that white stars belong to the breed. But there seems to be a wide consensus that blazes, white socks, and flesh colored skin is not acceptable SoA while back there was mention that there could only be a few flesh col

RE: White markings

This message is from: "Frederick J. Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks Phillip for a most informative post. A lot of us are going to have to chew this over for a while before responding. My first feeling was to write: etc... Then I started thinking about it. The more that I thought about

Re: White markings

or white markings of any kind should not be bred. However, this is not the important part of this particular conversation to me. I would like to have a clear answer as to which breed standard is being used by our American evaluators when judging our Fjords. If it is the FHI's standard,

White markings

This message is from: "Norsk Wood Works" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This message is from Phillip Odden I think this discussion about white markings is important. As a member of the evaluation committee I can say the EC thinks it is important as well. The input of our membership on the

White markings, FHI and NFHR

This message is from: "Norsk Wood Works" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> What, where, how, when, WHAT white markings on fjords? Since Beth dragged my name into this deal I guess I better join in. This message is from Phillip Odden. As you know the NFHR evaluation process and the breed

white markings

This message is from: "Ursula Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *When a judge places a horse with a white blaze as the best representation of a fjord weanling, going against Norwegian Standards, than I believe it is time to start taking our confirmation standards seriously. Well, there you goI trie

Re: white markings

This message is from: "Laurie Pittman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > This message is from: Debby Stai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > She has white tips on the backs of her ears, so cute, but is this > considered normal? The white tips are normal Debby. Laurie

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This message is from: Debby Stai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I've never seen this referred to and hope my Amber isn't the only one. She has white tips on the backs of her ears, so cute, but is this considered normal? Can't see them from the front, only on the back. Thanks. Debby

Re: more on white markings

This message is from: "Starfire Farm, LLC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jean Ernest wrote: > This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > My Friends here who have three brown dun geldings rode them with Wintec > English saddles the summer before last. When their winter coats came in > ther

Re: more on white markings

This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: Jean Ernest > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > My Friends here who have three brown dun geldings > rode them with Wintec > English saddles the summer before last. When their > winter

Re: more on white markings

This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My Friends here who have three brown dun geldings rode them with Wintec English saddles the summer before last. When their winter coats came in there were perfect patterns of the saddle pannels...the complete pannels, etc, not just pressure sp

Re: more on white markings

This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Hi all - my 18-month-old filly has developed a > marking the size of your fist > on her hip, that has become intermixed with white > hairs - like a roan spot. > I

more on white markings

This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all - my 18-month-old filly has developed a marking the size of your fist on her hip, that has become intermixed with white hairs - like a roan spot. It wasn't there when she was born, but developed over this summer. It isn't a white spot, exactly,

Re: SV: White Markings

This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Anneli, My thoughts on the subject are exactly the same as yours. I would like to add that if they wish to eradicate white markings how many fjords carry the gene? The only way I can see to get rid of white markings is to test every fjord for

SV: White Markings

This message is from: "Anneli Sundkvist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Personllay, I think that the white markings - out-crossing-argument is *somewhat* strange. I belive there is NO EVIDENCE whatsoever that horses with white markings are more out-crossed than horses! I have a gelding

Re: White Markings

jordhorseint.no Norges Fjordhestlag http://www.fjordhest.no Linda Bain wrote: Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:15:14 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: White Markings This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have today discovered that Norway have decided that "the Mother Stud Book have ann

Re: White Markings

This message is from: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I have today discovered that Norway have decided that "the Mother Stud Book > have announced that no stallion or mare should be bred from if they have any > white markings whatsoever? The N

White Markings

This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have today discovered that Norway have decided that "the Mother Stud Book have announced that no stallion or mare should be bred from if they have any white markings whatsoever? The Norwegians view white markings as a sign of outcrossing."

Re: white markings

This message is from: Mike May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 08:33 AM 5/25/99 +, you wrote: This message is from: "B. Hendricks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Great! Wish I could go this year... Bonnie P.S. Thanks for the URLs - I don't have the Adobe reader so will get it. It makes things like this real

Re: white markings

Oil Paintings, Prints, Books http://www.hendricksgallery.com What's a Cerbat Horse? Check it out at the site below http://members.xoom.com/BHendricks/Gallery1.html - Original Message - From: Mike May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 19

Re: white markings

This message is from: Mike May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 12:22 AM 5/25/99 +, you wrote: This message is from: "B. Hendricks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks! BTW - will there be Fjords at Equitana this year? I have a friend in Wisconsin who is going, and wants to look at some. Yes there will be q

Re: white markings

ricksgallery.com What's a Cerbat Horse? Check it out at the site below http://members.xoom.com/BHendricks/Gallery1.html - Original Message - From: Alison Bakken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 5:24 AM Subject: white markings >

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This message is from: Alison Bakken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello list. Ihave tried to answer a few of the question but have not been able to get connected. I will try again. The question of white markings. Fjord pictures from the early days of Fjords in Norway included horses with white ma