Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-12 Thread Michael Sgier
http://www.androidzoom.com/android_games/cards_and_casino/flight-simulation_xcuh.html how long should we tolerate such... -- EditLive Enterprise is the world's most technically advanced content authoring tool. Experience

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-12 Thread Vivian Meazza
: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator http://www.androidzoom.com/android_games/cards_and_casino/flight-simulation_ xcuh.html how long should we tolerate such... -- EditLive Enterprise is the world's

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-12 Thread ThorstenB
On 12.06.2011 11:58, Michael Sgier wrote: http://www.androidzoom.com/android_games/cards_and_casino/flight-simulation_xcuh.html how long should we tolerate such... We've had that before. This 15KB app doesn't even contain a FlightSimulator. And it doesn't do anything (so I doubt it contains a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-12 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 12:26:05 +0200, ThorstenB wrote in message 4df4943d.3030...@gmail.com: On 12.06.2011 11:58, Michael Sgier wrote: http://www.androidzoom.com/android_games/cards_and_casino/flight-simulation_xcuh.html how long should we tolerate such... We've had that before. This

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-12 Thread George Patterson
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 9:27 PM, Arnt Karlsen a...@c2i.net wrote: On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 12:26:05 +0200, ThorstenB wrote in message 4df4943d.3030...@gmail.com: On 12.06.2011 11:58, Michael Sgier wrote: http://www.androidzoom.com/android_games/cards_and_casino/flight-simulation_xcuh.html how

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-12 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 21:36:20 +1000, George wrote in message banlktindc8uwc_de94-21xrxe6srk7b...@mail.gmail.com: On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 9:27 PM, Arnt Karlsen a...@c2i.net wrote: On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 12:26:05 +0200, ThorstenB wrote in message 4df4943d.3030...@gmail.com: On 12.06.2011

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-12 Thread Gene Buckle
On Sun, 12 Jun 2011, Michael Sgier wrote: http://www.androidzoom.com/android_games/cards_and_casino/flight-simulation_xcuh.html how long should we tolerate such... Tolerate? Pfft. Just flag it as a scam and move on. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-09 Thread Oliver Fels
xsaint wrote: We should also warn ppl that Flightgear being repackaged and sold by some individuals and we encourage them to download the sim from Flightgear instead of buying those craps Note that by discouraging repackaging in general you will create a situation in which we shoot

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-09 Thread David Van Mosselbeen
On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 21:06:29 +0200, Oliver Fels oliver.f...@gmx.net wrote: xsaint wrote: We should also warn ppl that Flightgear being repackaged and sold by some individuals and we encourage them to download the sim from Flightgear instead of buying those craps Note that by

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-08 Thread Stefan Seifert
On Wednesday 08 June 2011 07:43:12 Michael Sgier wrote: why not simply change the fgfs licence once and for all? Android is not all GPL anymore...we could do the very same.- Would you really want to restrict the very freedoms that made FlightGear such a successful project, just to have some

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-08 Thread Arnt Karlsen
..protection under the GPL, depends on a willingness on the part of the copyright owners to actually exercise their rights under copyright law to defend or enforce their copyrights. ..if there is no such willingness in any FlightGear author, there is no legal protection of FlightGear, and

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-08 Thread Roland Häder
Hi, why make it all so complicated? FGFS is GNU GPL (2/3?). Report that scam to the FSF (Free Software Foundation). Maybe you will get nothing better back than just to report that video to youtube (show prove to youtube, and they must listen) but at least their scamming activity becomes more

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-08 Thread thorsten . i . renk
..protection under the GPL, depends on a willingness on the part of the copyright owners to actually exercise their rights under copyright law to defend or enforce their copyrights. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't see how willingness to exercise copyright under GPL would require moving to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-08 Thread HB-GRAL
Am 08.06.11 07:43, schrieb Michael Sgier: why not simply change the fgfs licence once and for all? Android is not all GPL anymore...we could do the very same.- Why not throwing all the sources to trash and tell people the project does not exist anymore ? :-) No licence change has to be

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-08 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 12:06:48 +0300 (EEST), thorsten.i.r...@jyu.fi wrote in message 54776.130.234.144.77.1307524008.squir...@webmail3.cc.jyu.fi: ..protection under the GPL, depends on a willingness on the part of the copyright owners to actually exercise their rights under copyright law to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-08 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 08 Jun 2011 12:13:42 +0200, HB-GRAL wrote in message 4def4b56.1080...@sablonier.ch: Am 08.06.11 07:43, schrieb Michael Sgier: why not simply change the fgfs licence once and for all? Android is not all GPL anymore...we could do the very same.- Why not throwing all the sources

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-08 Thread Stefan Seifert
On Wednesday 08 June 2011 12:27:30 Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 12:06:48 +0300 (EEST), thorsten.i.r...@jyu.fi wrote in message Correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't see how willingness to exercise copyright under GPL would require moving to a different license. ..you assume

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-08 Thread kreuzritter2000
Am Mittwoch, den 08.06.2011, 08:19 +0200 schrieb Stefan Seifert: Would you really want to restrict the very freedoms that made FlightGear such a successful project, just to have some legal means against some shady people who try to fool the uninformed into paying some money for FG? Chances

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-08 Thread Gijs de Rooy
Oliver wrote: This guy is allready calling its product Microsoft Flight Simulator 2011, so he doesn't even care about the trademarks of Microsoft products or its company name. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SX56YCTc5M Now that video IS a copyright violation. It is a copy of Oscar's

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-08 Thread Gene Buckle
On Wed, 8 Jun 2011, Robert wrote: Look what I have found on Dailymotion: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgg2j5_next-generation-flight-simulator-2011-2012-demo_videogames http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xh4vzn_pro-flight-simulator-2011-review-1_videogames

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-08 Thread Gene Buckle
On Wed, 8 Jun 2011, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..protection under the GPL, depends on a willingness on the part of the copyright owners to actually exercise their rights under copyright law to defend or enforce their copyrights. Arnt, while the PFS guys are doing morally despicable things, they're

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-08 Thread Gene Buckle
On Wed, 8 Jun 2011, Stefan Seifert wrote: On Wednesday 08 June 2011 12:27:30 Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 12:06:48 +0300 (EEST), thorsten.i.r...@jyu.fi wrote in message Correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't see how willingness to exercise copyright under GPL would require moving to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-08 Thread David Van Mosselbeen
On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 06:05:07 -0700 (PDT), Gene Buckle ge...@deltasoft.com wrote: On Wed, 8 Jun 2011, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..protection under the GPL, depends on a willingness on the part of the copyright owners to actually exercise their rights under copyright law to defend or enforce their

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-08 Thread Stuart Buchanan
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 2:24 PM, David Van Mosselbeen wrote: Hi all, I just download the source code of that magic scam at http://proflightsimulator.com/source/Source-Files.7z snip This was discussed ad naseum quite some time ago on this list and on the forums. Those unfamiliar are welcome

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-08 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 12:47:52 +0200, Stefan wrote in message 201106081247.52326.n...@detonation.org: On Wednesday 08 June 2011 12:27:30 Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 12:06:48 +0300 (EEST), thorsten.i.r...@jyu.fi wrote in message Correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't see how

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-08 Thread Martin Spott
Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..our current GPL practice [...] Arnt, for what stupid reason are you using the terms we and our ? Except from annoying the developer's mailing list with unwanted outpourings you have not been involved in the FlightGear project at all, at least not for the last twelve years.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-08 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 19:59:23 + (UTC), Martin wrote in message isokar$lc0u$1...@osprey.mgras.de: Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..our current GPL practice [...] Arnt, for what stupid reason are you using the terms we and our ? Except from annoying the developer's mailing list with unwanted

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-08 Thread Tatsuhiro Nishioka
Hi, Flightgear Mac OS X site also has a note. See http://macflightgear.sf.net/home/downloads By the way, one thing I really hate about these products is that they skip supporting users. As a result, more than 30 users yelled at me like: hey, I got your product but I can't launch it

[Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-07 Thread Tobias Markus
Dear FlightGear Developers,while a video trip through YouTube, I saw this suspiceous video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3x6Mc3DyuUfeature=player_embeddedI recognised the Chat Box in FlightGear-GUI-Style. Following the link, they sell that for 97$. (Here)I hope I could help youTobias

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-07 Thread Gene Buckle
On Tue, 7 Jun 2011, Tobias Markus wrote: Dear FlightGear Developers,while a video trip through YouTube, I saw this suspiceous video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3x6Mc3DyuUfeature=player_embeddedI recognised the Chat Box in FlightGear-GUI-Style. Following the link, they sell that for 97$.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-07 Thread Reagan Thomas
On 6/7/2011 9:53 AM, Gene Buckle wrote: On Tue, 7 Jun 2011, Tobias Markus wrote: Dear FlightGear Developers,while a video trip through YouTube, I saw this suspiceous video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3x6Mc3DyuUfeature=player_embeddedI recognised the Chat Box in FlightGear-GUI-Style.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-07 Thread xsaint
The only way we can stop or reduce is to educate the folks in the internet. Doing up various 1 minute video, very similar to the video as shown with same plane and then uploading with the same keywords can help. In our video, we should mention Flightgear is 100% opensource and 100% FREE. We

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-07 Thread Gene Buckle
On Wed, 8 Jun 2011, xsaint wrote: The only way we can stop or reduce is to educate the folks in the internet. Doing up various 1 minute video, very similar to the video as shown with same plane and then uploading with the same keywords can help. In our video, we should mention Flightgear is

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-07 Thread Gene Buckle
On Tue, 7 Jun 2011, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 16:53:54 +0200, Gijs wrote in message dub102-w319a5f4db7e367949bd506d3...@phx.gbl: Hi Tobias, while a video trip through YouTube, I saw this suspiceous video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3x6Mc3DyuUfeature=player_embedded I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-07 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 12:45:20 -0700 (PDT), Gene wrote in message alpine.lfd.2.00.1106071244510.21...@grumble.deltasoft.com: On Tue, 7 Jun 2011, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 16:53:54 +0200, Gijs wrote in message dub102-w319a5f4db7e367949bd506d3...@phx.gbl: Hi Tobias,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-07 Thread Gene Buckle
On Tue, 7 Jun 2011, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..at the bottom of youtube pages, you find the Copyright link. Follow that, and we find in the Content Owner section, a new link to Copyright Infringement Notification with a nice form to fill out. ;o) ...and unless you're the one that created the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-07 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 14:20:32 -0700 (PDT), Gene wrote in message alpine.lfd.2.00.1106071419190.27...@grumble.deltasoft.com: On Tue, 7 Jun 2011, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..at the bottom of youtube pages, you find the Copyright link. Follow that, and we find in the Content Owner section, a new

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-07 Thread Gene Buckle
On Wed, 8 Jun 2011, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 14:20:32 -0700 (PDT), Gene wrote in message alpine.lfd.2.00.1106071419190.27...@grumble.deltasoft.com: On Tue, 7 Jun 2011, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..at the bottom of youtube pages, you find the Copyright link. Follow that, and we find

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-07 Thread Robert
Look what I have found on Dailymotion: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgg2j5_next-generation-flight-simulator-2011-2012-demo_videogames http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xh4vzn_pro-flight-simulator-2011-review-1_videogames

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator

2011-06-07 Thread Michael Sgier
why not simply change the fgfs licence once and for all? Android is not all GPL anymore...we could do the very same.- --- On Wed, 6/8/11, Gene Buckle ge...@deltasoft.com wrote: From: Gene Buckle ge...@deltasoft.com Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator To: FlightGear developers

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator disclaimer, accurate?

2011-01-15 Thread Steve M Bibayoff
Hello, Hopefully this gets through, I'm not subscribed on the Devel (or any) fg list. And sorry for breaking threading, I read this this post from the sf ml archive page. I received an ad for %$ Flight Simulator ( http://www.%$flightsimulator.com/ (1)) and looked at it and found it eerily

[Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator disclaimer, accurate?

2011-01-14 Thread Chris Wilkinson
http://www.proflightsimulator.com/fg-help.htm Any comments into the accuracy of this statement? Regards, Chris Wilkinson, YBBN/BNE. -- Protect Your Site and Customers from Malware Attacks Learn about various

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator disclaimer, accurate?

2011-01-14 Thread Victhor
Think about it. ;) http://www.proflightsimulator.com/fg-help.htm Any comments into the accuracy of this statement? Regards, Chris Wilkinson, YBBN/BNE. -- Protect Your Site and Customers from Malware

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator disclaimer, accurate?

2011-01-14 Thread Erik Hofman
On Fri, 2011-01-14 at 02:08 -0800, Chris Wilkinson wrote: http://www.proflightsimulator.com/fg-help.htm Any comments into the accuracy of this statement? It started out fine with a few minor nitpicks until I reached: To say it is simply FlightGear would be inaccurate and illegal. Ehm?

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator disclaimer, accurate?

2011-01-14 Thread Jari Häkkinen
I have no time for detailed legalities of the message but one should note regarding GPL (at least v3 and probably v2, maybe it is time for fg to go v3?) 1) It is legal to fork a GPL project at any time if some conditions are met. In simple terms the forked project must provide their

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator disclaimer, accurate?

2011-01-14 Thread Chris Baines
I love the contradictory passages: - ProFlightSimulator is an open source stand alone Flight Simulator. - Customer support is only an email away (Open source products do not offer any support) They say open source projects don’t offer support (despite FlightGear offering community support

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator disclaimer, accurate?

2011-01-14 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 16:00:02 +, Chris wrote in message 1295020802.2363.13.camel@chris-desktop: I love the contradictory passages: - ProFlightSimulator is an open source stand alone Flight Simulator. - Customer support is only an email away (Open source products do not offer any

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pro Flight Simulator disclaimer, accurate?

2011-01-14 Thread Gijs de Rooy
Erik wrote: Looking at their so called todo list ...which is not much more than a sum-up of FlightGear features (like the VATSIM support that FlightGear has these days). Oh, to all: please do not provide direct links to these people's websites. Every single hit increases their pagerank