Re: [Flightgear-devel] ProFlightSimulator "The Most Realistic

2010-11-29 Thread Minton Brooks
Hi FlightGear folks, (I am only temporarily posting to the dev list. I'll remove myself following this interchange about ProFlightSimulator). I'm posting because I was so infuriated as a consumer about the ProFlightSimulator that I bought on Nov. 23rd for $50. It was not what I expected at all

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ProFlightSimulator "The Most Realistic

2010-11-28 Thread Gene Buckle
On Sun, 28 Nov 2010, Frederic Bouvier wrote: >>> >>> You can post a comment in the tracker >>> >> >> Link? The only bug tracker I know of > (http://code.google.com/p/flightgear-bugs/) stops at #187. > > The link was in my original post. It's the fgrun tracker Ah, ok. Thanks! g. -- Proud owne

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ProFlightSimulator "The Most Realistic

2010-11-28 Thread Frederic Bouvier
>> >> You can post a comment in the tracker >> > >Link? The only bug tracker I know of (http://code.google.com/p/flightgear-bugs/) stops at #187. The link was in my original post. It's the fgrun tracker Regards, -Fred ---

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ProFlightSimulator "The Most Realistic

2010-11-28 Thread Gene Buckle
On Sat, 27 Nov 2010, Frederic Bouvier wrote: - "Gene Buckle" a écrit : On Sat, 27 Nov 2010, Frederic Bouvier wrote: > By the way, look what I received in my inbox : > >> Support Requests item #3117965, was opened at 2010-11-24 20:24 [snip] >> >> Initial Comment: >> The proflightsimulato

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ProFlightSimulator "The Most Realistic

2010-11-27 Thread Mally
lightGear developers discussions" Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] ProFlightSimulator "The Most Realistic > Hi Stuart, > > I made a few tweaks and posted a copy of this here: > >http://www.flightgear.org/flightprosim.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ProFlightSimulator "The Most Realistic

2010-11-27 Thread Frederic Bouvier
- "Gene Buckle" a écrit : > On Sat, 27 Nov 2010, Frederic Bouvier wrote: > > > By the way, look what I received in my inbox : > > > >> Support Requests item #3117965, was opened at 2010-11-24 20:24 > [snip] > >> > >> Initial Comment: > >> The proflightsimulator launch control does not launc

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ProFlightSimulator "The Most Realistic

2010-11-27 Thread Gene Buckle
On Sat, 27 Nov 2010, Frederic Bouvier wrote: > By the way, look what I received in my inbox : > >> Support Requests item #3117965, was opened at 2010-11-24 20:24 [snip] >> >> Initial Comment: >> The proflightsimulator launch control does not launch pro flight > *facepalm* I really, really, really

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ProFlightSimulator "The Most Realistic

2010-11-27 Thread Tim Moore
What a marketing opportunity! Tim On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Frederic Bouvier wrote: > By the way, look what I received in my inbox : > > > Support Requests item #3117965, was opened at 2010-11-24 20:24 > > Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by gwself > > You can res

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ProFlightSimulator "The Most Realistic

2010-11-27 Thread Erik Hofman
On Sat, 2010-11-27 at 09:47 +0100, Frederic Bouvier wrote: > By the way, look what I received in my inbox : > > > Support Requests item #3117965, was opened at 2010-11-24 20:24 > > Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by gwself > > You can respond by visiting: > > https://so

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ProFlightSimulator "The Most Realistic

2010-11-27 Thread Frederic Bouvier
By the way, look what I received in my inbox : > Support Requests item #3117965, was opened at 2010-11-24 20:24 > Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by gwself > You can respond by visiting: > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=510694&aid=3117965&group_id=653

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ProFlightSimulator "The Most Realistic

2010-11-27 Thread Frederic Bouvier
By the way, look what I received in my inbox : > Support Requests item #3117965, was opened at 2010-11-24 20:24 > Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by gwself > You can respond by visiting: > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=510694&aid=3117965&group_id=653

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ProFlightSimulator "The Most Realistic

2010-11-25 Thread Gijs de Rooy
> Curtis Olson wrote: > > I made a few tweaks and posted a copy of this here: > >http://www.flightgear.org/flightprosim.html The wiki article has been updated to reflect the official statement. It is being linked to by a growing number of websites/forums, including some major ones like SimF

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ProFlightSimulator "The Most Realistic

2010-11-24 Thread HB-GRAL
Am 24.11.10 21:42, schrieb James Turner: > > On 24 Nov 2010, at 20:32, Curtis Olson wrote: > >> What's the actual link (I can't read the full url from your image). We can >> block specific ads if we need to, but easynewstore.com is clearly a proxy >> for multiple software packages. > > I would o

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ProFlightSimulator "The Most Realistic

2010-11-24 Thread James Turner
On 24 Nov 2010, at 20:32, Curtis Olson wrote: > What's the actual link (I can't read the full url from your image). We can > block specific ads if we need to, but easynewstore.com is clearly a proxy for > multiple software packages. I would once again plead for the ads to be removed from flig

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ProFlightSimulator "The Most Realistic

2010-11-24 Thread Martin Spott
Curtis Olson wrote: > What's the actual link (I can't read the full url from your image). We can > block specific ads if we need to, but easynewstore.com is clearly a proxy > for multiple software packages. Yup, and it's done pretty cleverly: The URL which is being shown when you move the mouse

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ProFlightSimulator "The Most Realistic

2010-11-24 Thread Heiko Schulz
Betreff: Re: [Flightgear-devel] ProFlightSimulator "The Most Realistic An: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Datum: Mittwoch, 24. November, 2010 21:27 Uhr Curtis Olson wrote: > I made a few tweaks and posted a copy of this here: > >    http://www.flightgear.org/flightprosim.htm

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ProFlightSimulator "The Most Realistic

2010-11-24 Thread Curtis Olson
What's the actual link (I can't read the full url from your image). We can block specific ads if we need to, but easynewstore.com is clearly a proxy for multiple software packages. Thanks, Curt. On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Martin Spott wrote: > Curtis Olson wrote: > > > I made a few twea

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ProFlightSimulator "The Most Realistic

2010-11-24 Thread Martin Spott
Curtis Olson wrote: > I made a few tweaks and posted a copy of this here: > >http://www.flightgear.org/flightprosim.html Just looked at this page, noticed one of these obnoxious Google ads on the right - guess to where this leads when you click onto the ad http://foxtrot.mgras.net/st

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ProFlightSimulator "The Most Realistic

2010-11-24 Thread Curtis Olson
Hi Stuart, I made a few tweaks and posted a copy of this here: http://www.flightgear.org/flightprosim.html Thanks for putting this all together! Curt. On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Stuart Buchanan wrote: > On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Curtis Olson wrote: > > Ok, Stuart and Martin

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ProFlightSimulator "The Most Realistic

2010-11-17 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 19:06:42 +0100, Torsten wrote in message <201011171906.43001.tors...@t3r.de>: > > Ok, Stuart and Martin make a fair point. Lets move forward with > > putting something onto the main FlightGear page. Stuart, you > > mentioned a faq you had drafted? > > I think it's all here:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ProFlightSimulator "The Most Realistic

2010-11-17 Thread Gijs de Rooy
Hi all > Stuart wrote: > There is a version on the wiki, but it has since been modified by > various people to something more emotional and prejorative, > which nicely illustrates the point Martin and I were making :) The emotional sentences you are refereing to were written before we decided o

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ProFlightSimulator "The Most Realistic

2010-11-17 Thread Torsten Dreyer
> Ok, Stuart and Martin make a fair point. Lets move forward with putting > something onto the main FlightGear page. Stuart, you mentioned a faq you > had drafted? I think it's all here: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_name=206864.11472...@web26005.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Torsten

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ProFlightSimulator "The Most Realistic

2010-11-17 Thread Stuart Buchanan
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Curtis Olson wrote: > Ok, Stuart and Martin make a fair point.  Lets move forward with putting > something onto the main FlightGear page.  Stuart, you mentioned a faq you > had drafted? > Thanks, > Curt. Hi Curt, The latest version of the FAQ (v1.4) is below. This

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ProFlightSimulator "The Most Realistic

2010-11-17 Thread Gene Buckle
On Wed, 17 Nov 2010, Curtis Olson wrote: > On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Martin Spott wrote: > >> Curtis Olson wrote: >> >>> The wiki is a good place to put something like this I think were it can >>> easily be updated as the landscape changes. >> >> The Wiki is hosting, among a lot of serious

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ProFlightSimulator "The Most Realistic

2010-11-17 Thread Gijs de Rooy
Hm, some need to read http://www.mail-archive.com/flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/msg29013.html again. > Gijs wrote (a lot more, but this is an important passage): "Of course we don't want some of our important pages (main page, download etc.) to be edited by just anyone with a wiki ac

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ProFlightSimulator "The Most Realistic

2010-11-17 Thread Curtis Olson
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Martin Spott wrote: > Curtis Olson wrote: > > > The wiki is a good place to put something like this I think were it can > > easily be updated as the landscape changes. > > The Wiki is hosting, among a lot of serious content, a huge pile of - > to put it mildly - '

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ProFlightSimulator "The Most Realistic

2010-11-17 Thread Martin Spott
Curtis Olson wrote: > The wiki is a good place to put something like this I think were it can > easily be updated as the landscape changes. The Wiki is hosting, among a lot of serious content, a huge pile of - to put it mildly - 'disputable' stuff, simply because _everyone_ can edit there, no mat

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ProFlightSimulator "The Most Realistic Flight Sim Ever"

2010-11-17 Thread Stuart Buchanan
Curtis Olson wrote: > On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 7:32 AM, Stuart Buchanan wrote: >> I drafted an FAQ on this subject last time it came around, which was >> discussed >> in detail, but never published on our website. Perhaps we should look at >> that >> again? It would certainly help to have a official

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ProFlightSimulator "The Most Realistic Flight Sim Ever"

2010-11-17 Thread James Turner
On 17 Nov 2010, at 15:36, James Turner wrote: > The wiki has an official statement, it would be good to improve that, and > then make it official. Err, that sentence is silly, apologies. What I mean is, it would be good to promote the wiki statement widely, eg, the newsletter, other flight si

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ProFlightSimulator "The Most Realistic Flight Sim Ever"

2010-11-17 Thread Curtis Olson
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 7:32 AM, Stuart Buchanan wrote: > Hi Curt, > > Not entirely sure whether you are being sarcastic or not, but I was able to > get hold of the source code (without buying it I might add). It's not > particularly > easy to get hold off, or indeed to un-tar (various semi-corrup

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ProFlightSimulator "The Most Realistic Flight Sim Ever"

2010-11-17 Thread James Turner
On 17 Nov 2010, at 13:32, Stuart Buchanan wrote: > As Martin and others have pointed out numerous times, what we have is > basically > a marketing failure on our part. If people had put as much effort into > marketing > and evangelizing FG instead of griping about an unlikely GPL violation, we

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ProFlightSimulator "The Most Realistic Flight Sim Ever"

2010-11-17 Thread Stuart Buchanan
Curtis Olson wrote: > Out of curiosity, has anyone been able to obtain a copy of their source > code?  Could this be posted in a known location?  Or is there a known link > for downloading their code?  It might be useful for us to maintain a > reference copy ourselves somewhere.  It should be no pr

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ProFlightSimulator "The Most Realistic Flight Sim Ever"

2010-11-17 Thread Chris Wilkinson
t: Wed, 17 November, 2010 12:57:48 PM Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] ProFlightSimulator "The Most Realistic Flight Sim Ever" On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 18:25:06 -0800 (PST), Chris wrote in message <86015.90161...@web56902.mail.re3.yahoo.com>: > > From: Mally > > Sent: Wed, 17

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ProFlightSimulator "The Most Realistic Flight Sim Ever"

2010-11-17 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 18:25:06 -0800 (PST), Chris wrote in message <86015.90161...@web56902.mail.re3.yahoo.com>: > > From: Mally > > Sent: Wed, 17 November, > > 2010 11:43:05 AM Subject: [Flightgear-devel] ProFlightSimulator > > "The Most Realistic Flight

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ProFlightSimulator "The Most Realistic Flight Sim Ever"

2010-11-16 Thread syd adams
Sent: Wed, 17 November, 2010 12:47:43 PM > Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] ProFlightSimulator "The Most Realistic > Flight Sim Ever" > > Out of curiosity, has anyone been able to obtain a copy of their source > code?  Could this be posted in a known location?  Or is there a k

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ProFlightSimulator "The Most Realistic Flight Sim Ever"

2010-11-16 Thread Chris Wilkinson
, YBBN/BNE. From: Curtis Olson To: FlightGear developers discussions Sent: Wed, 17 November, 2010 12:47:43 PM Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] ProFlightSimulator "The Most Realistic Flight Sim Ever" Out of curiosity, has anyone been able to obtain a copy

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ProFlightSimulator "The Most Realistic Flight Sim Ever"

2010-11-16 Thread Curtis Olson
Out of curiosity, has anyone been able to obtain a copy of their source code? Could this be posted in a known location? Or is there a known link for downloading their code? It might be useful for us to maintain a reference copy ourselves somewhere. It should be no problem to get a copy of their

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ProFlightSimulator "The Most Realistic Flight Sim Ever"

2010-11-16 Thread Gene Buckle
On Wed, 17 Nov 2010, Mally wrote: > ?Looks familiar? > http://www.proflightsimulator.com/index3.html > > Not to be confused with FlightProSim (obviously). > I'm curious about the claimed SimConnect & FSUIPC compatibility. :D Which one of you lurking geniuses submitted THAT patch, hrm? *laughs* g

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ProFlightSimulator "The Most Realistic Flight Sim Ever"

2010-11-16 Thread Chris Wilkinson
t: Wed, 17 November, 2010 11:43:05 AM Subject: [Flightgear-devel] ProFlightSimulator "The Most Realistic Flight Sim Ever" ?Looks familiar? http://www.proflightsimulator.com/index3.html Not to be confused with FlightProSim (obviously). Mally - No virus found in this message. Checked

[Flightgear-devel] ProFlightSimulator "The Most Realistic Flight Sim Ever"

2010-11-16 Thread Mally
?Looks familiar? http://www.proflightsimulator.com/index3.html Not to be confused with FlightProSim (obviously). Mally - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1153 / Virus Database: 424/3259 - Release Date: 11/15/10 ---