2011-06-16 20:30, Chad Perrin skrev:
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 02:22:43PM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote:
On 16/06/2011 13:52, Peter Vereshagin wrote:
unix is a trademark of novell.com.
Unix (note capitalization) is actually a trademark of the Open Group:
http://www.unix.org/
In EU there are 12
2011-06-17 06:53, Adam Vande More skrev:
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 11:23 PM, Bernt Hanssonwrote:
Unless you work the trademark in you have to pay to register the name.
I'm not sure by what mean by "work the trademark in" but every business is
entitled to use tm or sm identification without reg
2011-06-17 00:20, Daniel Staal skrev:
--As of June 16, 2011 11:21:34 PM +0400, Peter Vereshagin is alleged to
have said:
(And note that a pure list of facts can't be copyrighted: The phone book
is often an example. It's just a list of names and numbers.)
Which is copyrighted, all databases are
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 11:23 PM, Bernt Hansson wrote:
> Unless you work the trademark in you have to pay to register the name.
>
I'm not sure by what mean by "work the trademark in" but every business is
entitled to use tm or sm identification without registration. However by
officially registe
2011-06-16 19:36, Daniel Staal skrev:
On Thu, June 16, 2011 12:20 pm, Peter Vereshagin wrote:
You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions!
2011/06/16 11:54:05 -0400 Robert Simmons => To
freebsd-questions@freebsd.org :
RS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright
RS> http://en.wikipedia
On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:35:54 -0600, Chad Perrin wrote:
> I've noticed that your mail user agent is including quoted parties' email
> addresses in the quote notification. In the text immediately following
> this brief paragraph, for instance, my email address was included after
> my name. I would
I've noticed that your mail user agent is including quoted parties' email
addresses in the quote notification. In the text immediately following
this brief paragraph, for instance, my email address was included after
my name. I would appreciate it if you would configure your mail user
agent to no
On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:03:16 -0600, Chad Perrin wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 02:50:40AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
> > On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 04:07:08 +0400, Peter Vereshagin wrote:
> > >
> > > It's just a matter of a freedom to speech to me. And to everyone else
> > > I believe.
> >
> > Copyright
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 02:50:40AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 04:07:08 +0400, Peter Vereshagin wrote:
> >
> > It's just a matter of a freedom to speech to me. And to everyone else
> > I believe.
>
> Copyright and ownership of creation just makes sure that someone can't
> expres
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 07:43:59PM -0400, Daniel Staal wrote:
>
> (The other common case in the USA is road maps. A simple 'lines following
> their geographic contours, labeled' is a set of facts. One result of this
> is that most road maps in the US either are missing some minor roads, or
>
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On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 04:07:08 +0400, Peter Vereshagin
wrote:
> And does FreeBSD Foundation own its FreeBSD UNIX then? If it does, did it pay
> for it? Does it certify its FreeBSD as a UNIX and how much does it pay?
Basically, the main page says "based on", this states a
fact and does not say anyt
On Jun 16, 2011, at 5:07 PM, Peter Vereshagin wrote:
> And does FreeBSD Foundation own its FreeBSD UNIX then? If it does, did it pay
> for it? Does it certify its FreeBSD as a UNIX and how much does it pay?
The FreeBSD Foundation is a non-profit organization which supports and
represents the Fre
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2011/06/16 18:20:43 -0400 Daniel Staal => To Peter Vereshagin :
DS> > CP> UNIX, the name, is a trademark. We can use it all we like here,
DS> > speaking
DS> >
DS> > Do we need a license to use it? ;-)
DS>
DS> According to what I recall of my 'b
--As of June 17, 2011 12:47:45 AM +0200, Polytropon is alleged to have said:
(And note that a pure list of facts can't be copyrighted: The phone book
is often an example. It's just a list of names and numbers.)
Interesting, never tought of that, but sounds obvious.
--As for the rest, it is
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On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Chuck Swiger wrote:
> As for not being able to access all 4GB, this is a FAQ.
> If you run a 32-bit system, the top gigabyte or so of address space is
> reserved for memory mapped I/O reservations like AGP, PCIe, etc.
>
> If your hardware is capable of running in
On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 15:11:22 -0700
Chuck Swiger wrote:
> On Jun 16, 2011, at 2:10 PM, Robert wrote:
> > I have tested with all of the sticks installed and with one at a
> > time. When all of the sticks are installed, BIOS show a total of
> > 2752 MB of RAM. If any of the sticks are installed alon
On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 17:09:30 -0500
Gary Gatten wrote:
> It's quite simple really, it's another hidden tax - "Redistribution
> of RAM". You see, even with all the entitlement programs "poor"
> people can't afford more than 512MB of RAM. As you are certainly
> aware that's not enough to watch You
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On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 18:20:43 -0400, Daniel Staal wrote:
> According to what I recall of my 'business law for managers' classes: As
> long as we don't claim we own it, and only *referring* to the company who
> does or it's products, no. It's an identifying mark: You can use it to
> identify.
T
--As of June 16, 2011 11:21:34 PM +0400, Peter Vereshagin is alleged to
have said:
CP> UNIX, the name, is a trademark. We can use it all we like here,
speaking
Do we need a license to use it? ;-)
According to what I recall of my 'business law for managers' classes: As
long as we don't clai
It's quite simple really, it's another hidden tax - "Redistribution of RAM".
You see, even with all the entitlement programs "poor" people can't afford more
than 512MB of RAM. As you are certainly aware that's not enough to watch
YouTube and Hulu on their government funded (tax payer funded) u
On Jun 16, 2011, at 2:10 PM, Robert wrote:
> I have tested with all of the sticks installed and with one at a time.
> When all of the sticks are installed, BIOS show a total of 2752 MB of
> RAM. If any of the sticks are installed alone in any of the four slots,
> BIOS then shows 960 MB instead of t
Greetings
I have a strange problem with memory on one of my computers. I have
recently converted this computer to a NAS server. It is an Asus
A8N-VM MB running freenas amd64. I have 4 one Gig memory sticks
installed and as well as I can remember, it had always seen the 4 Gig
of RAM. Most recently
On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:29:42 +0400, Peter Vereshagin
wrote:
> Lawyers are so lawyers ;-)
Two lawyers, three opinions. :-)
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On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 07:00:30 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block
wrote:
> Also, see "lpd Printing With FreeBSD"
> http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/lpdprinting.html
It's worth mentioning that real office printers (those that
come with Ethernet) traditionally contain their own "lpd
subsystem", so yo
At 10:57 PM 6/16/2011 +0300, Reko Turja wrote:
>>>The no-accf.conf under includes is for if you do not desire to use
>>>either of
>>>the AcceptFilter choices, one for httpd the other for SSL traffic.
>>>These
>>>can be loaded as kernel modules in /boot/loader.conf as such:
>>>
>>>accf_http_load="
Jack L. Stone wrote:
> At 12:56 PM 6/16/2011 -0400, Michael Powell wrote:
>>Jack L. Stone wrote:
>>
>>The no-accf.conf under includes is for if you do not desire to use either
>>of
>>the AcceptFilter choices, one for httpd the other for SSL traffic. These
>>can be loaded as kernel modules in /boo
The no-accf.conf under includes is for if you do not desire to use
either of
the AcceptFilter choices, one for httpd the other for SSL traffic.
These
can be loaded as kernel modules in /boot/loader.conf as such:
accf_http_load="YES"
accf_data_load="YES"
You can also build the modules into ker
Jeff Hamann wrote:
> I've installed and tested postgresql just fine on FreeBSD 8.2.
>
> I've been trying to get postgresql (the server) to start on bootup using
> /etc/rc.conf system.
Sometime quite a while back FreeBSD imported the rc.subr startup subsystem
from NetBSD.
> I'm using the script
At 12:56 PM 6/16/2011 -0400, Michael Powell wrote:
>Jack L. Stone wrote:
>
>The no-accf.conf under includes is for if you do not desire to use either of
>the AcceptFilter choices, one for httpd the other for SSL traffic. These
>can be loaded as kernel modules in /boot/loader.conf as such:
>
>acc
You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions!
2011/06/16 12:30:07 -0600 Chad Perrin => To
freebsd-questions@freebsd.org :
CP> * The UNIX source code's copyright is held by . . . damn. It keeps
I always told this name is a kind of Black Label. Companies to hold it use to
meet fatal trouble
You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions!
2011/06/16 12:46:20 -0600 Chad Perrin => To
freebsd-questions@freebsd.org :
CP> > But both are just words/phrases, right?
CP>
CP> Here's an example of the difference:
Good example, it's on-topic ;-)
CP> UNIX, the name, is a trademark. We can
On Jun 16, 2011, at 10:26 AM, Jeff Hamann wrote:
> I've installed and tested postgresql just fine on FreeBSD 8.2.
I gather this means running the database manually via "postgres -D
/usr/local/pgsql/data" works normally?
> As instructed in the script, I've moved the file to
> /usr/local/etc/rc.d
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 10:20:11PM +0400, Peter Vereshagin wrote:
>
> But both are just words/phrases, right?
Here's an example of the difference:
UNIX, the name, is a trademark. We can use it all we like here, speaking
about the UNIX trademark, its applicability, who owns the trademark, and
so
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 02:22:43PM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote:
> On 16/06/2011 13:52, Peter Vereshagin wrote:
> >
> > unix is a trademark of novell.com.
>
> Unix (note capitalization) is actually a trademark of the Open Group:
> http://www.unix.org/
In case it was lost in the informative explan
You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions!
2011/06/16 13:36:32 -0400 Daniel Staal => To
freebsd-questions@freebsd.org :
DS> > RS> Copyright pertains to the source code. Trademark pertains to the use
DS> > of
DS> > RS> signs, symbols, names, logos, etc.
DS> >
DS> > Source code itself can
I've installed and tested postgresql just fine on FreeBSD 8.2.
I've been trying to get postgresql (the server) to start on bootup using
/etc/rc.conf system.
I'm using the script from the tarball (found in the
contrib/start-scripts/freebsd of postreges tarball)
I can't seem to get it to work on
On Thu, June 16, 2011 12:20 pm, Peter Vereshagin wrote:
> You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions!
> 2011/06/16 11:54:05 -0400 Robert Simmons => To
> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org :
> RS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright
> RS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark
>
> I'll surel
At 12:56 PM 6/16/2011 -0400, Michael Powell wrote:
>Jack L. Stone wrote:
>
>
>-Mike
>
>
Mike, very useful info. I had surmised about the "extra .configs" to reduce
the size of the main config file. I had already started doing that with
apache2.
Have been studying the files and comparing to my p
On 16 June 2011 17:47, Robert Simmons wrote:
> On Thursday, June 16, 2011 12:31:19 PM Reko Turja wrote:
>> In that fictional world MySQL needed a fork and some GPL'd programs
>> have been retroactively made completely closed source, forking denied
>> after taking the issue into court...
>
> I thou
Jack L. Stone wrote:
[snip]
>
> Thanks to both you and Mike for the advice. I've already installed
> apache22 on a test server and trying to allocate time to it as and when.
> Looks like this apr thing is going to raise the priority.
You shouldn't have any of these apr problems with 22.
> Als
From: "Jack L. Stone"
Also, I see the sqlite3 is tacked on the apr you have. I only have:
apr-ipv6-devrandom-gdbm-db46-mysql50-1.4.5.1.3.12
Yeah when I ran make config for apr I selected sqlite as I had it
already installed for stuff where I might need SQL capabilities, but
full blown serve
On Thursday, June 16, 2011 12:31:19 PM Reko Turja wrote:
> In that fictional world MySQL needed a fork and some GPL'd programs
> have been retroactively made completely closed source, forking denied
> after taking the issue into court...
I thought that Sun reversed that decision in 2008. Can you
--
From: "Robert Simmons"
thrown out of court. Additionally, the source code is GPL, so even
if in the
fictional world of Linus taking the trademark elsewhere, you can
fork the code
and call it Morphtkdlfgjfjdsksjfnmvmdkedkfjgjg, and you would b
You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions!
2011/06/16 11:54:05 -0400 Robert Simmons => To
freebsd-questions@freebsd.org :
RS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright
RS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark
I'll surely will when I'll have some to trade ;-)
RS> Copyright pertains to th
On Thursday, June 16, 2011 11:47:32 AM Peter Vereshagin wrote:
> This will require some efforts from Open Group. Does FreeBSD Foundation pay
> for that?
Not necessary. FreeBSD does not use (want to use/need to use) the UNIX
trademark and according to the USL vs. BSDi court case, FreeBSD does not
On 6/16/2011 11:49 AM, Andy Wodfer wrote:
> Hi, I'm running 8.2 REL. Are there any specific things to be aware of when
> compiling kernel and making world in 64bit? Required kernel modules etc?
I sometimes forget that the kernel config is in
cd /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf/
and not
cd /usr/src/sys/i
At 06:18 PM 6/16/2011 +0300, Reko Turja wrote:
>From: "Michael Powell"
>> pulls in a few more dependencies than I'd really like, especially
>> the apr1
>> (now named apr-ipv6-devrandom-gdbm-db42-1.4.5.1.3.12) port
>> installing
>
>The name depends completely on the knobs you have used with
>por
On Thursday, June 16, 2011 11:29:42 AM Peter Vereshagin wrote:
> There should be a difference recognized between "own a Unix trademark" by
> http://www.unix.org/trademark.html and "ownership of the Unix copyrights"
> by http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100330152829622 where I'm
> pass.
Hi, I'm running 8.2 REL. Are there any specific things to be aware of when
compiling kernel and making world in 64bit? Required kernel modules etc?
I've only done this in 32bit.
Thanks!
Andreas
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2011/06/16 10:06:42 -0400 Robert Simmons => To
freebsd-questions@freebsd.org :
RS> I think the confusion that you all are having is between the idea of
RS> "copyright" and "trademark". They are different. Copyright applies to the
As I suspe
You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions!
2011/06/16 14:22:43 +0100 Matthew Seaman =>
To freebsd-questions@freebsd.org :
MS> > CB> FreeBSD is a UNIX-like clone, which is indeed free, whereas UNIX is
MS> > CB> still the proprietary property of AT&T/Bell Labs.
MS> >
MS> > unix is a trad
From: "Michael Powell"
pulls in a few more dependencies than I'd really like, especially
the apr1
(now named apr-ipv6-devrandom-gdbm-db42-1.4.5.1.3.12) port
installing
The name depends completely on the knobs you have used with
portbuild - my apr is:
apr-ipv6-devrandom-db43-pgsql84-sqlite3-
Jack L. Stone wrote:
[snip]
>
> Now, I wrestling with the apache2 and apr0 issue. The apache port Makefile
> wants apr0, but it now has vulnablilities. Ports UPDATING says to do this
> with apr:
> - remove apache2 and then: portupgrade -f -o devel/apr1 devel/apr
> ...and then reinstall apache2. T
I updated my ports > tree, but a new apr version was not there
yet. So, stuck between a rock and a hard place.
And the fix for APR 0.x might be long way coming, see
http://projects.apache.org/projects/portable_runtime.html, looks like
0.x branch hasn't been updated in ages. Nor any action has
On 06/16/11 07:28, Gary Kline wrote:
is there a laser other than the brother {tm}? i mean, that the
members of this org would go for?
It depends how much printing you need it for, so check the
manufacturer's specs. I've got a Kyocera FS-C5200DN, which is rated as a
workgroup printer good for
At 05:09 PM 6/16/2011 +0300, Reko Turja wrote:
>> Now, I wrestling with the apache2 and apr0 issue. The apache port
>> Makefile
>> wants apr0, but it now has vulnablilities. Ports UPDATING says to do
>> this
>> with apr:
>> - remove apache2 and then: portupgrade -f -o devel/apr1 devel/apr
>> ...a
On 06/16/2011 03:37 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote:
> On 6/16/11 3:17 PM, Bas Smeelen wrote:
>> On 06/16/2011 02:32 PM, Brandon Gooch wrote:
>>> That would be uname(1):
>>>
>>> $ uname -v
>>> FreeBSD 9.0-CURRENT #0 r223017: Sun Jun 12 13:55:34 CDT 2011
>>> root@m6500.local:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC
>
Now, I wrestling with the apache2 and apr0 issue. The apache port
Makefile
wants apr0, but it now has vulnablilities. Ports UPDATING says to do
this
with apr:
- remove apache2 and then: portupgrade -f -o devel/apr1 devel/apr
...and then reinstall apache2. That didn't work because the Makefile
i
On Thursday, June 16, 2011 09:22:43 AM Matthew Seaman wrote:
> On 16/06/2011 13:52, Peter Vereshagin wrote:
> > You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions!
> > 2011/06/15 17:08:31 -0400 Chris Brennan => To
> > Thomas Hansen : CB> FreeBSD is a UNIX-like clone, which is indeed free,
> > wher
At 03:41 PM 6/16/2011 +0300, Reko Turja wrote:
>> I have very few uses for sqlite3 but I still have them. And PDO?
>> Never seen anything run it.
>
>Some pretty big projects including Drupal CMS are moving to PDO. I
>reckon that having other options without reinventing the wheel, than
>one certa
On Jun 16, 2011, at 6:23 AM, Jean-Paul Natola
wrote:
> Is there any program that can read and or dump the info written in a BIOS
> chip?
pkg_add -r dmidecode
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On 6/16/11 3:17 PM, Bas Smeelen wrote:
> On 06/16/2011 02:32 PM, Brandon Gooch wrote:
>> That would be uname(1):
>>
>> $ uname -v
>> FreeBSD 9.0-CURRENT #0 r223017: Sun Jun 12 13:55:34 CDT 2011
>> root@m6500.local:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC
>>
>> where r223017 is the current svn revision numb
Is there any program that can read and or dump the info written in a BIOS chip?
TIA,
JP
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On 16/06/2011 13:52, Peter Vereshagin wrote:
> You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions!
> 2011/06/15 17:08:31 -0400 Chris Brennan => To Thomas
> Hansen :
> CB> FreeBSD is a UNIX-like clone, which is indeed free, whereas UNIX is
> CB> still the proprietary property of AT&T/Bell Labs.
>
On 06/16/2011 02:32 PM, Brandon Gooch wrote:
> That would be uname(1):
>
> $ uname -v
> FreeBSD 9.0-CURRENT #0 r223017: Sun Jun 12 13:55:34 CDT 2011
> root@m6500.local:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC
>
> where r223017 is the current svn revision number from which my
> system is compiled (kernel an
On Wed, 15 Jun 2011, Gary Kline wrote:
we had a power out here this morning and besides it costing most of
my day, it blew out my Brother laser printer. i just got it working
FINALLY with our cups stuff. don't asked me how; other than i was
using our olden lpr/lpd and had /etc/printcap.
is th
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 7:16 AM, Robert Huff wrote:
>
> For some time now, people have been referring to what build
> they're using by the 'r' number, which I believe to be part of svn.
> How would one go about determining this value for the installed
> kernel?
>
>
>
On 06/16/2011 02:28 PM, Bruce Cran wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 08:16:45 -0400
> Robert Huff wrote:
>
>> For some time now, people have been referring to what build
>> they're using by the 'r' number, which I believe to be part of svn.
>> How would one go about determining this value for
You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions!
2011/06/15 17:08:31 -0400 Chris Brennan => To Thomas
Hansen :
CB> FreeBSD is a UNIX-like clone, which is indeed free, whereas UNIX is
CB> still the proprietary property of AT&T/Bell Labs.
unix is a trademark of novell.com.
73! Peter pgp: A0E2
I have very few uses for sqlite3 but I still have them. And PDO?
Never seen anything run it.
Some pretty big projects including Drupal CMS are moving to PDO. I
reckon that having other options without reinventing the wheel, than
one certain Oracle controlled DB-backend is starting to gain mome
On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 08:16:45 -0400
Robert Huff wrote:
> For some time now, people have been referring to what build
> they're using by the 'r' number, which I believe to be part of svn.
> How would one go about determining this value for the
> installed kernel?
I'm not sure you can:
For some time now, people have been referring to what build
they're using by the 'r' number, which I believe to be part of svn.
How would one go about determining this value for the installed
kernel?
Robert Huff
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Facts:
8.2-RELEASE man fsck
-B ...
background fsck is limited to checking for only the most commonly
occurring file system abnormalities. Under certain circumstances,
some errors can escape background fsck. It is recommended that you
perform foreground fsck o
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 8:28 AM, Gary Kline wrote:
>
> we had a power out here this morning and besides it costing most of
> my day, it blew out my Brother laser printer. i just got it working
> FINALLY with our cups stuff. don't asked me how; other than i was
> using our olden lpr/lpd and had /
Le 15/06/2011 à 22:34:23+0200, Thomas Hansen a écrit
> one of my mates teacher says that unix is free and your system running
> like UnixWare / SCO UNIX and and that unix is free
>
>
> Do your BSD kernel run the same unix kernel as unixware
Take a look :
http://www.levenez.com/u
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> From: Chuck Swiger
> To: Gary Kline
> Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List
> Sent: Wed, June 15, 2011 4:04:23 PM
> Subject: Re: how do i fsck my server?
> You can set fsck_y_enable="YES" in /etc/rc.conf, but it shouldn't be
> necessary. The system can figure out for itself w
On 16.06.2011 08:28, Gary Kline wrote:
>
> we had a power out here this morning and besides it costing most of
> my day, it blew out my Brother laser printer. i just got it working
> FINALLY with our cups stuff. don't asked me how; other than i was
> using our olden lpr/lpd and had /etc/printca
On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 23:28:08 -0700, Gary Kline wrote:
> is there a laser other than the brother {tm}? i mean, that the
> members of this org would go for?
Yes: Office printers, even used ones are fine. Pay attention
that they have:
- ethernet port
- postscript
- if not: P
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