Re: [Freedos-devel] development and advertising plan

2024-07-17 Thread tom ehlert via Freedos-devel
Hallo Herr Ralf Quint via Freedos-devel, am Dienstag, 16. Juli 2024 um 20:35 schrieben Sie: > On 7/14/2024 2:10 AM, tom ehlert via Freedos-devel wrote: >>> And it is a basic fact that DOS (any DOS!) is a single-user, single tasking >>> operating system. That excludes the

Re: [Freedos-devel] development and advertising plan

2024-07-14 Thread tom ehlert via Freedos-devel
> And it is a basic fact that DOS (any DOS!) is a single-user, single tasking > operating system. That excludes the use for any of those overly ambitious > dreams of yours. You seem to ignore that the multitasking Windows 3.11 did run on top of DOS. Tom

Re: [Freedos-devel] Suggestions Many future DOS Flavors and uses...

2024-07-02 Thread tom ehlert via Freedos-devel
Dear Liam Proven, am Dienstag, 2. Juli 2024 um 14:07 schrieben Sie: > On Tue, 2 Jul 2024 at 03:22, Richard Stoltenberg via Freedos-devel > wrote: Richard is obviously completely clueless and maybe had a joint/beer to much. Just treat him like a troll and ignore him. Don't feed the trolls.

Re: [Freedos-devel] 16-bit Windows development

2024-06-14 Thread tom ehlert via Freedos-devel
> We could call it "Holes". Because a) it's tightly connected to "Windows" IMO that's a pretty good name > and b) there will be plenty of missing API for the foreseeable future. for an unprobabable project. > And Jim could announce this on June 29th :D

Re: [Freedos-devel] 16-bit Windows development

2024-06-09 Thread tom ehlert via Freedos-devel
> What about the ArcaOS? Are you missing the fact that it's neither free nor cheap. Tom ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel

Re: [Freedos-devel] Four in a Row

2024-06-07 Thread tom ehlert via Freedos-devel
> One more hint for your testing: Gnuchess requires NANSI to be loaded before > playing, would it be possible to add this information anywhere? in that case Gnuchess should check if ANSI/NANSI is loaded and say "ANSI.SYS is needed for this program and exit" otherwise. no need to document

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS on Pocket386

2024-06-07 Thread tom ehlert via Freedos-devel
Hallo Herr Bernd Böckmann via Freedos-devel, am Freitag, 7. Juni 2024 um 13:46 schrieben Sie: >> Am 04.06.2024 um 00:24 schrieb Eric Auer via Freedos-devel >> : >> >> 3. Or we could give SYS support for multi-sector FAT32 boot >> sectors, which would be necessary for automatic switching >>

Re: [Freedos-devel] Four in a Row

2024-06-06 Thread tom ehlert via Freedos-devel
> but there are several different atexit calls activated. I hope you > can register multiple atexits without causing problems? Of couse. > Will they > be called in a sensible order when leaving the game? in reverse order that they were called. Tom

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS on Pocket386

2024-06-02 Thread tom ehlert via Freedos-devel
> 5. Boot the Pocket386 from the CF card > It stops at "Loading FreeDOS" and just hangs there these symptoms are remarkably similar to " Problem booting FreeDOS on Book8088 PC-XT laptop" from earlier this year. Tom ___ Freedos-devel mailing list

Re: [Freedos-devel] Contribution of Free Source Code without License for Everyone

2024-05-28 Thread tom ehlert via Freedos-devel
>> :http://master.dl.sourceforge.net/project/api-simple-completa/ > Warning! Malware detected. Download at your own risk. > Just go away. correction. on virustotal.com 32 major virusscanners found no issue with the .zip. I don't know what sourceforge is complaining about. Tom

Re: [Freedos-devel] Contribution of Free Source Code without License for Everyone

2024-05-28 Thread tom ehlert via Freedos-devel
> :http://master.dl.sourceforge.net/project/api-simple-completa/ Warning! Malware detected. Download at your own risk. Just go away. Tom ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net

Re: [Freedos-devel] zoo

2024-05-23 Thread tom ehlert via Freedos-devel
>> 64 Ki * 16 KiB = 1024 MiB. (The actual maximum amount of clusters is of >> course slightly less than 64 Ki, to be exacting.) So you're off-by-one, >> a "2 GB" file system cannot possibly be fully utilised with FAT16 at a >> 16 KiB per cluster size. > Ah, OK. My apologies. > Off-by-one

Re: [Freedos-devel] zoo

2024-05-23 Thread tom ehlert via Freedos-devel
Hi Wilhelm , am Donnerstag, 23. Mai 2024 um 12:56 schrieben Sie: > Hi Tom, > > Thank you for not having a choleric attack! ;) > FDT24xx are monthly trial versions (if I remember right, you know it for two > or three months now). I know about "FreeDOS distributions", but I don't care

Re: [Freedos-devel] zoo

2024-05-22 Thread tom ehlert via Freedos-devel
>> it seems that no knowledgable person finds zoo interesting enough to fix it. >> and those who care about zoo have no clue. >> I regret that I have to say this. >> >> Tom > Was zoo even popular in its heyday? I don't think so. > I feel like when it comes to DOS, for the last 30 years it's

Re: [Freedos-devel] zoo

2024-05-22 Thread tom ehlert via Freedos-devel
vel@lists.sourceforge.net > Cc: "E. C. Masloch" > Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] zoo > On at 2024-05-19 00:37 +0100, Liam Proven via Freedos-devel wrote: >> On Fri, 17 May 2024 at 17:14, tom ehlert via Freedos-devel >> wrote: >> >>>> Below 1GB F

Re: [Freedos-devel] zoo

2024-05-17 Thread tom ehlert via Freedos-devel
>> I ran one more test with zoo. It runs with FAT16 998 MB but not with FAT16 >> 1025 MB. > Below 1GB FAT16 uses 8kB clusters. From 1GB-2GB it uses 16kB ones. > (Below ½GB it uses 4kB.) That would require FAT17. and indeed the problem (which was solved in january) is with clustersize 32KB

Re: [Freedos-devel] Where is the source code?

2024-05-08 Thread tom ehlert via Freedos-devel
Hallo Herr Ralf Quint via Freedos-devel, am Mittwoch, 8. Mai 2024 um 20:30 schrieben Sie: > On 5/8/2024 1:22 AM, tom ehlert via Freedos-devel wrote: >>> It's on the website, under the "developer" section. >> in my version of firefox, there is no "developer&quo

Re: [Freedos-devel] Where is the source code?

2024-05-08 Thread tom ehlert via Freedos-devel
> I hate to be the one to tell you, but "how Tom navigates a website" is > not the same as "how many others navigate a website." As a matter of fact, Tom navigates the web as any other people: the way the websites make us use their website leaves usually little choice. > Today, many more >

Re: [Freedos-devel] Where is the source code?

2024-05-08 Thread tom ehlert via Freedos-devel
Hallo Herr Jim Hall via Freedos-devel, am Mittwoch, 8. Mai 2024 um 15:43 schrieben Sie: > On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 3:23 AM tom ehlert via Freedos-devel > wrote: >> >> >> > On Tue, May 7, 2024, 8:46 PM Green Fog via Freedos-devel < >> > freedos-devel@l

Re: [Freedos-devel] Where is the source code?

2024-05-08 Thread tom ehlert via Freedos-devel
k, and you'll find a page with more information and links > to the source code. > I put this here because usability testing showed that people expected to > find FreeDOS source code in a place where developers would find other info &

Re: [Freedos-devel] MS-DOS 4.0 source released as open source under MIT license

2024-04-30 Thread tom ehlert via Freedos-devel
Hallo Herr Steve Nickolas via Freedos-devel, am Dienstag, 30. April 2024 um 17:07 schrieben Sie: > On Tue, 30 Apr 2024, Bernd Böckmann via Freedos-devel wrote: >> Sadly not. Only the binaries are released under MIT through the repository. >> >>> Does that mean we finally have a genuinely open

Re: [Freedos-devel] MS-DOS 4.0 source released as open source under MIT license

2024-04-27 Thread tom ehlert via Freedos-devel
all GITHUB files have LF line endings. as old MSDOS tools insist on CRLF line endings, you have to convert the files first. Tom ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net

Re: [Freedos-devel] libm-0.7 Released!

2024-04-13 Thread tom ehlert via Freedos-devel
> Surprisingly, I have not received any communication whatsoever regarding > libm. possibility 1) libm orks exactly as laid out in the documentation. poosibility 2) nobody cares about libm btw: do you have a lot of communication about EDLIN? Tom

Re: [Freedos-devel] Tools for building old FreeDOS EMM386?

2024-04-11 Thread tom ehlert via Freedos-devel
> I wonder if they can be released (at least, binary-only) so people can > use them on other things? > Since it is listed in EMMS*.ZIP's makefile, reproducible builds can't > be built without them. so what? Tom ___ Freedos-devel mailing list

Re: [Freedos-devel] Tools for building old FreeDOS EMM386?

2024-04-11 Thread tom ehlert via Freedos-devel
Hello, > In freedos/files/dos/emm386/emm/2.2/emms226.zip, its makefile shows it > need to use sy2pack.exe or sy3pack.exe to pack just-compiled > emm386.exe. sy2pack/sy3pack used to be the only compressor that was able to compress binaries that act both as drivers (device=himem.exe) and

Re: [Freedos-devel] Bochs modified to run SoftICE dual screen

2024-01-31 Thread tom ehlert via Freedos-devel
Hallo Herr Liam Proven via Freedos-devel, am Mittwoch, 31. Januar 2024 um 18:23 schrieben Sie: > This could be useful to several here, I think. > https://and0uille.net/misc/debug90.html thanks for the link. SoftICE was indeed tremendously useful when debugging the FreeDOS kernel; I think

Re: [Freedos-devel] MAD compiler for DOS?

2024-01-30 Thread tom ehlert via Freedos-devel
> I am working on an academic project that requires understanding the MAD > programming language so I can pick apart (and faithfully recreate) an old > MAD program. That's the Michigan Algorithm Decoder, from 1959 and the early > 1960s. it would make this much more interesting if you would

Re: [Freedos-devel] Learning DOS assembly programming

2023-12-31 Thread tom ehlert via Freedos-devel
>It is also possible to write TSRs and Device Drivers in higher-level languages >but it is very cumbersome and you need to do a lot of "tricks" to get things >to do what you want without wasting a lot of memory. I wouldn't call it "tricks". It's "technics". Advanced programming is usually not

Re: [Freedos-devel] Learning DOS assembly programming

2023-12-27 Thread tom ehlert via Freedos-devel
Hallo Herr Jim Hall via Freedos-devel, am Dienstag, 26. Dezember 2023 um 17:42 schrieben Sie: > I actually never learned DOS assembly programming, but decided I'd > like to start. > What assembler do you recommend, for noobies, they are all the same: take NASM. "hello World" programmers don't

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS Source

2023-12-01 Thread tom ehlert via Freedos-devel
> Is there a FreeDOS walk thru of the source code that you would consider > helpful to the uninitiated? if you mean the *kernel* source, please say so. > I want to start down the road to more bare > metal coding and would love to be able to help with FreeDOS in the far > future but I'm not

Re: [Freedos-devel] i have a tech question about 286 and XMS

2023-11-08 Thread tom ehlert via Freedos-devel
gt; >>> Please be more specific about what went wrong and which >>> work around in which code snippet resolved the problem. >>> I think a workaround in FDXMS286 could be a good idea. >>> >>> Regards, Eric >>> >>> >>>

Re: [Freedos-devel] i have a tech question about 286 and XMS

2023-11-02 Thread tom ehlert via Freedos-devel
; the original MS-DOS supported, including pre-386 hardware, or you can > just as well bin the original premise. All in all I think your reply > needlessly confrontational. > Cheers, Hippo. > On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 at 23:13, tom ehlert via Freedos-devel > wrote: >> >>

Re: [Freedos-devel] i have a tech question about 286 and XMS

2023-11-01 Thread tom ehlert via Freedos-devel
> is there any supported XMS driver for 286 that FreeDOS provides? himemx > dose not support it and the fd286xms driver is old and not supported. why do you think that software for 30+ years old hardware needs to be 'supported'. it's the same as last year, and 20 years before. And will work

Re: [Freedos-devel] Help Development with djgpp

2023-10-24 Thread tom ehlert via Freedos-devel
>> I work for embedded software on the board Vortex86DX 800MHz. >> I need at least SVGA graphic (800X600). > https://www.vortex86.com/products/Vortex86DX SoC has no built-in VGA, https://icop-shop.com/product/vdx-6324rd/ has buildin VGA so there are at least some boars available. it might

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS Interim Build T2310 - no free space on CD

2023-10-05 Thread tom ehlert via Freedos-devel
Hallo Herr Ralf Quint via Freedos-devel, am Donnerstag, 5. Oktober 2023 um 02:50 schrieben Sie: > On 10/3/2023 11:30 AM, Michael Brutman via Freedos-devel wrote: >> There is no point in punishing everybody by shipping tools that most > >> people don't use.  You can probably count all of the

Re: [Freedos-devel] Interim Build Delayed

2023-09-02 Thread tom ehlert via Freedos-devel
3280/LICENSE >> [3]: https://hg.pushbx.org/ecm/inicomp/file/41860de1db0e/heatshr.asm >> [4]: > >> https://hg.pushbx.org/ecm/ldebug/file/654bf2cbfffb/source/hshrink.asm#l208 >> [5]: > https://hg.pushbx.org/ecm/ldebug/file/654bf2cbfffb/source/mak.sh#l309 >> >>

Re: [Freedos-devel] ANSI for DOS

2023-07-31 Thread tom ehlert via Freedos-devel
> Note that I have a different goal to most people. Most people > want to run DOS-era software. I want to redefine the DOS era > now that the "rush to market" is long over. > Any thoughts? Yes. Good luck with that. Tom ___ Freedos-devel mailing

Re: [Freedos-devel] dir issues

2023-07-24 Thread tom ehlert via Freedos-devel
Hi Ralf, am Montag, 24. Juli 2023 um 20:06 schrieben Sie: > On 7/23/2023 9:35 AM, tom ehlert via Freedos-devel wrote: >>> ISTM that all the other graphical shells in FreeDOS are even less >>> useful than GEM, and it would be no loss to remove them... but adding &g

Re: [Freedos-devel] dir issues

2023-07-23 Thread tom ehlert via Freedos-devel
> ISTM that all the other graphical shells in FreeDOS are even less > useful than GEM, and it would be no loss to remove them... but adding > GEOS would be a win. in what way is GEOS even related to FreeDOS which runs on PC's? unless wikipedia has it completely wrong GEOS needs 6502 (commodore

Re: [Freedos-devel] format /s

2023-06-23 Thread tom ehlert
> So in short, DOS is not great for real-time stuff, +1 > but it certainly is not as bad as Windows :-p Windows is actually quite good for realtime stuff (even hard realtime stuff) - if you write your time critical stuff as a device driver. there are a lot of provisions, directives, howto's

Re: [Freedos-devel] format \s

2023-06-23 Thread tom ehlert
Hallo Herr Harald Arnesen, am Freitag, 23. Juni 2023 um 21:29 schrieben Sie: > Patrick McCavery [23/06/2023 18.13]: >> If I could run format \s right from Linux, I could use all of my >> existing toolchain and I would not have to run this command on a USB key >> from within qemu. >> > Could

Re: [Freedos-devel] useful HTMLHELP bug findings and proposals

2023-06-20 Thread tom ehlert
Dear Vacek, > If it wasn’t on the to-do list earlier, I'd kindly request a mapping of > codepage 3845. Please map code point 0x9F, the Ft sign temporarily to > U+FFFD and add a comment to the definition file along the comments of > "addition of the forint sign into Unicode pending". > This would

Re: [Freedos-devel] EXIST NUL

2023-06-06 Thread tom ehlert
Hallo Herr Ralf Quint, am Montag, 5. Juni 2023 um 23:06 schrieben Sie: > On 6/5/2023 1:56 AM, jer...@shidel.net wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> /There are two separate issues when using: |IF EXIST ?:\NUL| / >> >> /I'm lazy and wrote up a info text file over at > >>

Re: [Freedos-devel] I want my 10K

2023-05-17 Thread tom ehlert
> This could look something like this. The system boots as normal. A CONFIG > option like ‘DOSMOVE=UMB’ could exist. there exists already the DOS=UMB option, meaning "move as much as possible to UMB". IIRC when Bart implemented this he only moved DATA (buffers, LASTDRIVE=, current

Re: [Freedos-devel] Logger v0.1 (beta)

2023-05-02 Thread tom ehlert
Hi Jerome, if you make it a logger.exe (rather tehn .com), UPX should be able to compress dual mode programs. Tom ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel

Re: [Freedos-devel] Extension proposal

2023-04-21 Thread tom ehlert
Hi ecm, > [1]: > https://gitlab.com/DOSx86/logger/-/blob/aae3dfddcdacfea18950a96ce9449767c20b2d66/source/logger/common.inc#L267 this got me looking into this 'too slow' detection method. and it is indeed slow. as in molasse. let me explain. a) isn't %%Comparing: inc di

Re: [Freedos-devel] Extension proposal

2023-04-21 Thread tom ehlert
Hi, > At present, the interface program for Logger just performs a slightly > optimized brute force search for the Logger device driver. Although reliable, > it is very slow compared to providing a simple interrupt call to test for > installation. given that this detection will be done once

Re: [Freedos-devel] Bug 0x5801/41

2023-04-07 Thread tom ehlert
Hi, > Don’t know if the issue is in the Kernel (0.85a), HimemX (3.38), JEMM386 > (5.83) or My Head. it's in the Kernel - or in your head. to decide between these two alternatives it's always helpful to send your actual sources - not an english description of what you had intended to do. and

Re: [Freedos-devel] Slowdown-Units ratings and a CPU-bound depacker be nchmark

2023-04-04 Thread tom ehlert
Dear Bret, > The article is found at >> https://pushbx.org/ecm/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=blog:pushbx:2023:0321_cpu_performance_comparison > I mostly agree with you and your article, but: fine that you agree, but at most 50% of the article is even close to 'right'. >>> Conclusion >>> >>>

Re: [Freedos-devel] I wish I had a boot.log file

2023-03-26 Thread tom ehlert
> For > instance, vecho (which displays many user messages, like “Welcome to > FreeDOS”) don’t output text the same way as other programs and do not get > captured at present. I don't know how and why vecho displays text different. However it could "display" the text twice: once in the

Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS Swappable Data (SDA) Area

2023-03-23 Thread tom ehlert
quot; or "sub-optimal" or something > like that, but the results are very real and are simply what they > are.  Also, as already stated, the purpose of SLOWDOWN is not to be > a benchmark but you can indirectly use it as a benchmark. > ___ > Freed

Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS Swappable Data (SDA) Area

2023-03-23 Thread tom ehlert
Hallo Herr Bret Johnson, am Donnerstag, 23. März 2023 um 20:31 schrieben Sie: >>> Even though a 350 MHz K6-2 is WAY faster than my 3.3 GHz i5? And >>> again, I know it doesn't make any sense, but it's still true. >>> >>> As far as I can tell, the Emperor has no Clothes. >> >> I'm confused by

Re: [Freedos-devel] Slowdown-Units ratings and a CPU-bound depacker benchmark

2023-03-21 Thread tom ehlert
Hi, am Dienstag, 21. März 2023 um 23:26 schrieben Sie: > Hello! The article is found at > https://pushbx.org/ecm/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=blog:pushbx:2023:0321_cpu_performance_comparison I mostly agree with you and your article, but: >Conclusion >CPU-bound benchmarks are much faster on a modern

Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS Swappable Data (SDA) Area

2023-03-21 Thread tom ehlert
Hallo Herr Rugxulo, am Montag, 20. März 2023 um 23:20 schrieben Sie: > Hi again, > On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 5:06 PM Bret Johnson wrote: >> >> This is something much more serious than a "tradeoff" or a >> "regression". My new i5 CPU appears to be spending _at least_ 99% >> of its resources NOT

Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS Swappable Data (SDA) Area

2023-03-18 Thread tom ehlert
Hallo Herr Bret Johnson, am Donnerstag, 9. März 2023 um 23:27 schrieben Sie: > The computer I'm currently using is a few years old, old enough > that I can boot DOS on the actual hardware. The CPU is an Intel i5-4590 > running at 3.30 GHz. > I have a DOS program I wrote a long time ago,

Re: [Freedos-devel] Booting and FDAPM

2023-03-17 Thread tom ehlert
> IDLEHALT=1 works for my machines and reduces the CPU load under > VirtualBox to nearly zero at the command prompt. :-))) FDAPM whatever should be REMified. OTOH this seems to be a problem between FDAPM, VirtualBOX and Watcom Installer. Whoever wants to develop ON FreeDOS ... >> Am

Re: [Freedos-devel] Booting and FDAPM

2023-03-17 Thread tom ehlert
Hallo Herr Bernd Boeckmann via Freedos-devel, am Freitag, 17. März 2023 um 12:52 schrieben Sie: >> Any thoughts? > I have some additional data: > 1) Pentium MMX 166, T2303 default installation: > Installation time Open Watcom 1.9, FDAPM activated: 7:09 minutes. > After FDAPM OFF: 4:30

Re: [Freedos-devel] FDISK: how to handle sector size != 512?

2023-03-15 Thread tom ehlert
Hi, > while hacking on FDISK and having some thoughts about different > sector sizes I stumbled upon the problem that the extended INT13 > function 48 may return a sector size != 512 while the INT13,0X > functions always seem to operate on „virtual“ 512 sector sizes. all INT13 functions operate

Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS Swappable Data (SDA) Area

2023-03-10 Thread tom ehlert
Dear Bret , am Donnerstag, 9. März 2023 um 23:27 schrieben Sie: >>> My terminology is compliant with that definition. >> >> *Sigh* >> >> I am aware of that. The general term "re-entrancy" is not synonymous >> with the specific term "reentrant kernel". > So re-entrancy is not synonymous with

Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS Swappable Data (SDA) Area

2023-03-09 Thread tom ehlert
>> A Virtual Machine for the rest of us is something like VMWare, Qemu, >> VirtualBox, etc. - something that simulates a real machine. You >> load a real operating system in it and the operating system >> generally doesn't know or care that it's actually in a simulation. > So "the rest of us"

Re: [Freedos-devel] Open Watcom v2 DOS installer is abysmally slow in FreeDOS

2023-03-08 Thread tom ehlert
> That depends. whatever 'depends'. > Besides poorly optimized system caches, is the > installer doing things that blow the cache and increase the miss rate? whatever the installer is doing: unless you find a valid 'this is doing something in a stupid way' point this installer is as much a

Re: [Freedos-devel] Open Watcom v2 DOS installer is abysmally slow in FreeDOS

2023-03-08 Thread tom ehlert
> Over a month ago, I opened an issue on the FreeDOS project on > GitLab about the Open Watcom v2 installer being extremely slow in > FreeDOS. It takes an hour or more on FreeDOS, while the same > installation completes on MS-DOS 7.1 within just a few minutes. either you report your config.sys

Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS Swappable Data (SDA) Area

2023-03-07 Thread tom ehlert
> The SDA of MS seems fairly well documented in RBIL, but I'd be > pretty surprised if all DOS clones (particularly Virtual Machines > like DOSBox) are compliant so it may not be a good idea to pursue. > I suspect FreeDOS would be pretty close to compliant, but I'm not even sure > about that.

Re: [Freedos-devel] 386MAX

2023-03-06 Thread tom ehlert
Hallo Herr Bret Johnson, am Montag, 6. März 2023 um 19:43 schrieben Sie: >>> 386MAX supports the Global EMM Import Specification (GEMMIS), which >>> allows Windows 3.x to start in 386 Enhanced mode, even when the EMM >>> manager is loaded. (The documentation in the 386MAX source code >>> seems

Re: [Freedos-devel] 386MAX

2023-03-06 Thread tom ehlert
Hallo Herr tom ehlert, am Montag, 6. März 2023 um 10:14 schrieben Sie: > Hallo Herr jer...@shidel.net, >> Any volunteers? > to start first: what would be the point to have 386MAX in freedos > distribution (after 20 years without it)? > I know that it was somewhat important

Re: [Freedos-devel] 386MAX

2023-03-06 Thread tom ehlert
Hallo Herr jer...@shidel.net, am Sonntag, 5. März 2023 um 22:43 schrieben Sie: > Hi all, > I spent a few minutes looking at 386MAX. > Unfortunately, it is going to take at least a some work by someone > (not me) before it could even be considered for inclusion. > First, it cannot even be

Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS Swappable Data (SDA) Area

2023-03-03 Thread tom ehlert
Hallo Herr Bret Johnson, am Freitag, 3. März 2023 um 23:40 schrieben Sie: >>> But I was still wondering if anybody has seen it done before since >>> I don't think I've ever seen an actual implementation. >> >> neither did I. > Probably not worth pursuing. But even just the idea of a >

Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS Swappable Data (SDA) Area

2023-03-03 Thread tom ehlert
Hi, > I'm wondering if anybody has any experience, or has seen any source > code, related to manipulating the DOS Swappable Data Area (SDA) to > make DOS re-entrant. I working on at least one TSR program right > now where I think something like that might be useful but I've never seen it > done

Re: [Freedos-devel] Free FDISK interim builds

2023-03-01 Thread tom ehlert
>>> The reason why partition boundaries are aligned on cylinder boundaries >>> is that a lot of other OSes also rely on that. >> any example of this? I don't any (not completely braindead) operating >> system would rely on that; it's just the way that FDISK and friends >> place partitions on the

Re: [Freedos-devel] Free FDISK interim builds

2023-03-01 Thread tom ehlert
Hallo Herr Ralf Quint, am Mittwoch, 1. März 2023 um 18:08 schrieben Sie: > On 3/1/2023 8:22 AM, Bernd Boeckmann via Freedos-devel wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I am now reaching a state where I think that FDISK not any longer breaks the >> partition layouts created by itself. >> >> However, there is

Re: [Freedos-devel] MS-DOG (was Re: [Freedos-user] FSF)

2023-03-01 Thread tom ehlert
Hallo Herr Rugxulo, am Mittwoch, 1. März 2023 um 10:22 schrieben Sie: Hi again, > It's entirely possible that Richard dislikes DOS that much. I also dislike Richard. we can leave it at that. Tom ___ Freedos-devel mailing list

Re: [Freedos-devel] IFS API

2023-02-28 Thread tom ehlert
Hey! > As a matter of curiosity, given that we were unable to find a > precise answer to why Microsoft dropped IFS after MS-DOS 5.0 to start with, your question is pretty much nonsense. IFS or the "networking redirector" was definitively there in MSDOS 6.2 and most likely in 7 (aka Win95). it

Re: [Freedos-devel] Free FDISK interim builds

2023-02-27 Thread tom ehlert
Hallo Herr Bernd Boeckmann via Freedos-devel, am Montag, 27. Februar 2023 um 13:07 schrieben Sie: >> Am 27.02.2023 um 07:26 schrieb Deposite Pirate : >> >> I'm not sure if this fdisk can already do that, but additionally it >> would also be very useful if it could align partitions to 4k rather

Re: [Freedos-devel] IFS API

2023-02-21 Thread tom ehlert
Hallo Herr Ralf Quint, am Dienstag, 21. Februar 2023 um 01:17 schrieben Sie: > > Don't recall when MSCDEX first showed up, but I think it was > after the networking redirector stuff (for both Novell and LanManager) > in MS-DOS 3.0. early version of Novell hooked a couple of

Re: [Freedos-devel] IFS API

2023-02-21 Thread tom ehlert
Hallo Herr Ralf Quint, am Montag, 20. Februar 2023 um 18:18 schrieben Sie: > On 2/19/2023 5:38 PM, Aitor Santamaría wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Does anyone know if the IFS (Installable File System) API is >> documented anywhere? > There is no such thing for DOS. For DOS, things like this, for

Re: [Freedos-devel] Proposal: remove Graphical Desktops from next FreeDOS

2023-02-16 Thread tom ehlert
> And to be clear: I don't plan to delete these from the FreeDOS Files > Archive at Ibiblio. My proposal is just to not include them in the > next FreeDOS distribution. +1 > If people want to keep using, say, SEAL - > they can download it and install it themselves. as of many other packages.

Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS File Sharing- was: UEFI, virtual BIOS and virtual hardware - was: Google Summer of Code?

2023-01-31 Thread tom ehlert
> The main difference between using VBADOS and EtherDFS would come > down to the DOS machine. If running DOS inside VirtualBox, VBADOS > would most likely be the easiest to setup and use. However, using > EtherDFS works under other Virtual Machines and with real hardware. EtherDFS should work

Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS File Sharing- was: UEFI, virtual BIOS and virtual hardware - was: Google Summer of Code?

2023-01-31 Thread tom ehlert
https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=4=105823 I haven't tested this, but there seems to exist "VBSF.EXE -- a client for Shared Folders. This allows shared folders to be mounted as drives inside MS-DOS (and Windows 3.x) directly, without any network stack." which is more or less

Re: [Freedos-devel] Google Summer of Code?

2023-01-29 Thread tom ehlert
>>> whatever EMM386 and friends was and is, it is definitively not what >>> people think when they hear 'DOS VM'. you are abusing words to make a >>> point. not good. >> I don't really care. I am talking about how existing DOS 386 memory >> managers have worked for 35+ years now. >> The 80386

Re: [Freedos-devel] Google Summer of Code?

2023-01-29 Thread tom ehlert
> I know. I am a professional in this field and have been since 1988. > Please do me the courtesy of imagining that I know what I am talking > about. according to https://cz.linkedin.com/in/liamproven FOSS and cloud reporter · Freelance writer and English teacher · Technical writer/editor ·

Re: [Freedos-devel] Google Summer of Code?

2023-01-29 Thread tom ehlert
>> 3. Develop embedded systems. > Not sure that's important in 2023. Any citations? http://wiki.freedos.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page >> whatever EMM386 and friends was and is, it is definitively not what >> people think when they hear 'DOS VM'. you are abusing words to make a >> point. not

Re: [Freedos-devel] UEFI, virtual BIOS and virtual hardware - was: Goo gle Summer of Code?

2023-01-27 Thread tom ehlert
Hallo Herr Ben Collver, am Freitag, 27. Januar 2023 um 18:23 schrieben Sie: > On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 at 16:42, tom ehlert wrote: >> any reason you don't download VirtualBox for your platform, select >> >> proper devices (there is even a Soundblaster16 e

Re: [Freedos-devel] UEFI, virtual BIOS and virtual hardware - was: Goo gle Summer of Code?

2023-01-27 Thread tom ehlert
Hi, most people around here already have a working machine, most likely Windows or Linux. any reason you don't download VirtualBox for your platform, select proper devices (there is even a Soundblaster16 emulated), install DOS on it and go. VirtualBox isn't perfect, but probably much better

Re: [Freedos-devel] Google Summer of Code?

2023-01-27 Thread tom ehlert
Hallo Herr Liam Proven, > I suppose my first suggestion would be: sod Windows. > A suggestion of a justification: > If people want a FOSS DOS then they must use a FOSS GUI, and if they > want a proprietary GUI then they must accept that also means a > proprietary DOS underneath. this argument

Re: [Freedos-devel]  Re:  Re: Google Summer of Code?

2023-01-22 Thread tom ehlert
> -- > Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android Mobiltelefon mit mail.comMail > gesendet. > Am 22.01.23, 17:56 schrieb tom ehlert :Hi, >> the proposal was from me. Maybe some of you know that I work on the text for >> a new help version. >> To do so, I use diff

Re: [Freedos-devel]  Re: Google Summer of Code?

2023-01-22 Thread tom ehlert
Hi, > the proposal was from me. Maybe some of you know that I work on the text for > a new help version. > To do so, I use different sources, depending on what I can get. > Sometimes documentation is very good, sometimes there is none, > sometimes even command/? gives no information and I have

Re: [Freedos-devel]  Re: Where to start and continue?

2023-01-16 Thread tom ehlert
Hallo Herr Knedlik, am Sonntag, 15. Januar 2023 um 15:17 schrieben Sie: > Okay, I’m still even a few days after very confused. I came into > DOS with my only programming knowledge being on modern 64-bit > systems and I didn’t even go lower-level than C++. > I have no idea where to start - I

Re: [Freedos-devel]  Re: Where to start and continue?

2023-01-15 Thread tom ehlert
> Okay, I’m still even a few days after very confused. I came into > DOS with my only programming knowledge being on modern 64-bit > systems and I didn’t even go lower-level than C++. > I have no idea where to start - I would love to learn how to do all > the cool stuff like graphics and then

Re: [Freedos-devel] Linking asm with C

2023-01-13 Thread tom ehlert
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Re: [Freedos-devel] Linking asm with C

2023-01-13 Thread tom ehlert
> I’m currently trying to make a function in a separate assembly > file, but I’m having problems linking it with a C program. it always helps to take the time to describe the problem you are facing, like what compiler, assembler, linker WHAT KIND OF PROBLEMS Tom

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS floppy edition boot disk lacks an editor?

2022-12-05 Thread tom ehlert
> You really don't want a 160 kb editor on a floppy (unless you copy it > to a RAM disk). copying it to a RAM disk will require 1 or 2 seconds every time you boot this floppy. starting this from floppy requires 1 or 2 seconds every time you use the editor - usually less often then you use to

Re: [Freedos-devel] Toggling directories

2022-11-12 Thread tom ehlert
> In general, I find that toggling options are a bad idea. Things > just get too confusing, especially if you have multiple "sources" > for the options (like combinations of internal/compile-time default > settings, environment variables, options entered through a batch > file, options entered

Re: [Freedos-devel] Toggling directories

2022-11-11 Thread tom ehlert
Hallo Herr Jerome Shidel, am Mittwoch, 9. November 2022 um 16:26 schrieben Sie: > Not all options perform toggling. For example: > dir /p - pauses per page > dir /p /p - pauses per page > I don’t think the toggling is very important. But, it does deviant from > MS-DOS. > I

[Freedos-devel] GPT disk detection in FreeDOS kernel

2022-10-29 Thread tom ehlert
to make myself a better mailing list citizen, I created a new topic for this different issue ;) I have INITDISK.C that will detect and mount GPT partitions if available. FAT partitions on GPT disks are fully 'normal' drives. to be discussed, and I have no strong opinion here: shall FreeDOS

Re: [Freedos-devel] The FreeDOS Kernel as downloadable from GITHUB no longer works

2022-10-29 Thread tom ehlert
Hi all, it seems this case is not as dramatic as it seemed first (to me). to repeat my earlier steps, I downloaded and installed kernel-master.zip and country.zip; edited config.bat to COMPILER=OWWIN, compiled and the resulting kernel.sys booted as it should. BUT: when I edited config.c, and

Re: [Freedos-devel] The FreeDOS Kernel as downloadable from GITHUB no longer works

2022-10-27 Thread tom ehlert
> Does it make a difference on your computer if the kernel is > compiled for 386+ vs 86+  ?  Was this on real computer or virtual?  it was a VirtualBox machine. I only changed in build.bat from build.b the compiler setting, using OCWIN, so it probably was 8086 of course I have a very specific

Re: [Freedos-devel] The FreeDOS Kernel as downloadable from GITHUB no longer works

2022-10-27 Thread tom ehlert
> correcting for this, the the boooting kernel goes as far as > I'm looking into this, seems to be some sort of memory corruption.  > On my test VirtualBox vm it works fine, on my laptop I get a halt > but much later than you, where FreeCom is loading.  The gcc compiled > kernel works in all my

Re: [Freedos-devel] Bonus/Devel CD

2022-10-26 Thread tom ehlert
> One of the main things that started me down this rabbit trail was > the need to know which Ethernet card is being virtualized in a > particular VM so I can load the correct packet driver. > I have a > single ETHERNET.BAT file I run to install the packet driver, and > since detecting which

Re: [Freedos-devel] Bonus/Devel CD

2022-10-26 Thread tom ehlert
> One of the main things that started me down this rabbit trail was > the need to know which Ethernet card is being virtualized in a > particular VM so I can load the correct packet driver. ca. 30 years ago PCI enumerating has been invented. > I have a > single ETHERNET.BAT file I run to

[Freedos-devel] The FreeDOS Kernel as downloadable from GITHUB no longer works

2022-10-25 Thread tom ehlert
Sorry, I posted this under the wrong topic. so: when downloading https://github.com/FDOS/kernel via [code] downnload ZIP the downloaded kernel-master\country directory is empty, and the project does not build. correcting for this, the the boooting kernel goes as far as FreeDOS boot FAT

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