Re: [FRIAM] War has been declared

2010-02-19 Thread James Steiner
The admission of total technical incompetence on the part of the refurb team is stunning. Also: I wonder if the attorney's general would be interested in this. The letter seems to be an admission that Newegg intends to simply take this defective machine, restore the user partition to the OEM defau

Re: [FRIAM] War has been declared

2010-02-19 Thread Douglas Roberts
The coverage of this issue in the broader realm of the innertubes has begun: http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2010021900935OSBZHW On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 4:30 AM, James Steiner wrote: > The admission of total technical incompetence on the part of the > refurb team is stunning. > > Also:

Re: [FRIAM] All the macroeconomics you need to know

2010-02-19 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Thus spake Robert Holmes circa 02/17/2010 08:36 AM: > http://econstories.tv/home.html Oh great. First we analogize between keynesian economics with getting drunk. Now we analogize between liberals and snorting coke! http://rawstory.com/2010/02/cpac-obama-notion-snorting-cocaine/ Muddy thinkers

Re: [FRIAM] War has been declared

2010-02-19 Thread Steve Smith
Jihad Doug - I am sympathetic to your plight and I wish you well on your Jihad.   Until it plays out a little further, I will assume "NewEgg is a BadEgg". That said, I have a few observations: Bargains usually aren't.   This trips me every time I find/seek/indulge-in one.  I think it is a

Re: [FRIAM] War has been declared

2010-02-19 Thread Douglas Roberts
Thanks, Steve. What was it we were discussing just last week? Oh, yeah, I remember! Low average IQ in the US of A. Apparently I require some measure of pain to keep myself reminded that "refurbished" merchandise is generally not a bargain. Duh. Newegg has at least one more surprise in store f

Re: [FRIAM] War has been declared

2010-02-19 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Thus spake Douglas Roberts circa 10-02-19 10:03 AM: > and the clock is running on all time spent on > this unnecessary time waster. Dude. If you agree that this is a time waster, why are you posting these messages to the mailing list? -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://agent-based-mode

Re: [FRIAM] War has been declared

2010-02-19 Thread Douglas Roberts
Don't read them! You'll save yourself some time. Best Regards, --Doug On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 11:12 AM, glen e. p. ropella < g...@agent-based-modeling.com> wrote: > Thus spake Douglas Roberts circa 10-02-19 10:03 AM: > > and the clock is running on all time spent on > > this unnecessary time w

Re: [FRIAM] War has been declared

2010-02-19 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Thus spake Douglas Roberts circa 10-02-19 10:17 AM: > Don't read them! You'll save yourself some time. Oh great. You follow one contradiction with another. First, you spend all this energy on something you think is a waste of time, including wasting others' resources. THEN, you explicitly make

Re: [FRIAM] War has been declared

2010-02-19 Thread Douglas Roberts
Chill, dude. You're destroying the karma of the list. As well as wasting my time. ;-o Re: The complexity tie-in -- it's complicated, but I don't have time to go into it right now. I'll get back to you on that. In the mean time, consider the complex social dynamics, as they interact, interface

Re: [FRIAM] War has been declared

2010-02-19 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Thus spake Douglas Roberts circa 10-02-19 10:42 AM: > Chill, dude. You're destroying the karma of the list. > As well as wasting my time. Heh, that's rich. You regularly point out flaws in others' reasoning and generally poo-poo many of the more interesting ideas on this list. Then when someone

[FRIAM] Update, and final note on marketplace social dynamics extravaganza

2010-02-19 Thread Douglas Roberts
While Glen is off grumbling about something or the other, I thought I'd take a moment to inform those of you who are interested in the Newegg interaction [Glen, don't read this] that I just got a call from a very apologetic customer service manager at Newegg. Summary of the phone call: "Sorry, sor

Re: [FRIAM] Update, and final note on marketplace social dynamics extravaganza

2010-02-19 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Thus spake Douglas Roberts circa 10-02-19 11:11 AM: > While Glen is off grumbling about something or the other, I thought I'd take > a moment to inform those of you who are interested in the Newegg interaction > [Glen, don't read this] that I just got a call from a very apologetic > customer servic

Re: [FRIAM] War has been declared

2010-02-19 Thread Steve Smith
glen e. p. ropella wrote: Thus spake Douglas Roberts circa 10-02-19 10:42 AM: Chill, dude. You're destroying the karma of the list. As well as wasting my time. I thought *this* was the karma of the list! I see Glen becoming as righteously indignant about Doug's rant as D

Re: [FRIAM] War has been declared

2010-02-19 Thread Douglas Roberts
Priceless! ;-} On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Steve Smith wrote: > > If only Pete Nanos had had the foresight to apologize to Doug and give him > a $150 certificate for Nambe Ware 5 years ago. > > - Steve > > > FRIAM Applied Comple

Re: [FRIAM] War has been declared

2010-02-19 Thread Douglas Roberts
Ok, so I fibbed a little bit when I indicated that I was done ranting about this issue. There actually is a complex social network component to the whole episode. I just did a quick back-of-the-envelop addition: during the past 18 hours, approx 500,000 individuals were exposed to the article tha

Re: [FRIAM] War has been declared

2010-02-19 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Thus spake Douglas Roberts circa 10-02-19 12:24 PM: > There actually is a complex social network component to the whole episode. > I just did a quick back-of-the-envelop addition: during the past 18 hours, > approx 500,000 individuals were exposed to the article that I wrote about > the Newegg in

Re: [FRIAM] War has been declared

2010-02-19 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Because, glen, many of us are taking a vicarious pleasure in it. Sex and Beer are also a waste of time. Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology, Clark University (nthomp...@clarku.edu) http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ http://www.cusf.or

Re: [FRIAM] War has been declared

2010-02-19 Thread Douglas Roberts
Did you wake up on the wrong side of your bunker this morning? On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 1:44 PM, glen e. p. ropella < g...@agent-based-modeling.com> wrote: > Thus spake Douglas Roberts circa 10-02-19 12:24 PM: > > There actually is a complex social network component to the whole > episode. > > I

Re: [FRIAM] War has been declared

2010-02-19 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Interesting to have the connection spelled out. n Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology, Clark University (nthomp...@clarku.edu) http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ http://www.cusf.org [City University of Santa Fe] - Original Message

Re: [FRIAM] War has been declared

2010-02-19 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Thus spake Douglas Roberts circa 10-02-19 12:47 PM: > Did you wake up on the wrong side of your bunker this morning? No. I just want to know why you sent this stuff to this list? I could infer many relevant applied complexity points from this story. But I would only be putting words in your mou

Re: [FRIAM] War has been declared

2010-02-19 Thread Robert J. Cordingley
Now I'm wondering, has someone been been trolled here? Anon (oh wait...) On 2/19/10 2:00 PM, glen e. p. ropella wrote: Thus spake Douglas Roberts circa 10-02-19 12:47 PM: Did you wake up on the wrong side of your bunker this morning? No. I just want to know why you sent this stuff t

Re: [FRIAM] War has been declared

2010-02-19 Thread Robert Holmes
I know that Doug is always precise in his use of language, so the final line in his linuxjournal.com update--"Kudus to Newegg for fixing this problem"--probably means exactly what it says. Doug - what is the shipping cost of small antelopes? Will your $150 voucher from Newegg cover it? -- R ==

Re: [FRIAM] War has been declared

2010-02-19 Thread Douglas Roberts
No, but I'm happy to spring for a larger envelop. After all, they met me half-way to resolve this. ;-} On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Robert Holmes wrote: > I know that Doug is always precise in his use of language, so the final > line in his linuxjournal.com update--"Kudus to Newegg for fixi

Re: [FRIAM] War has been declared

2010-02-19 Thread ERIC P. CHARLES
Speaking only as a single member of the list, I was glad for the post (certainly, at least, the original and the resolution update). It was informative in its own right, and relevant to me as a somewhat frequent online buyer of computer stuff and an occasional returner of computer stuff. It was al

Re: [FRIAM] War has been declared

2010-02-19 Thread Pamela McCorduck
I read it all with amusement too. When the list gets too prolix, or about something that doesn't interest me, I just use the delete key. I mean, Nick and I got on about rutabagas for a while, and no one accused us of having nothing to do with complexity. Pamela On Feb 19, 2010, at 5:09 PM

Re: [FRIAM] War has been declared

2010-02-19 Thread Douglas Roberts
Pamela, Everybody knows rutabagas are at the root of complexity! --Doug On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Pamela McCorduck wrote: > I read it all with amusement too. When the list gets too prolix, or about > something that doesn't interest me, I just use the delete key. I mean, Nick > and I got

Re: [FRIAM] War has been declared

2010-02-19 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Thus spake Pamela McCorduck circa 10-02-19 02:43 PM: > I read it all with amusement too. When the list gets too prolix, or > about something that doesn't interest me, I just use the delete key. I > mean, Nick and I got on about rutabagas for a while, and no one accused > us of having nothing to do

Re: [FRIAM] War has been declared

2010-02-19 Thread Douglas Roberts
Why thank you, Glen! For the record, I think you're pretty special yourself. On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 3:53 PM, glen e. p. ropella < g...@agent-based-modeling.com> wrote: > Thus spake Pamela McCorduck circa 10-02-19 02:43 PM: > > I read it all with amusement too. When the list gets too prolix, or

[FRIAM] National Science Foundation (NSF) News - 2009 Science and Engineering Visualization Challenge Winners Announced

2010-02-19 Thread Tom Johnson
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