There are some things we take so completely on faith that we have great trouble
even realizing that we are making an assumption. For example, when I open my
eyes, I take it on faith that I am seeing an actual physical universe, and not
simply recording impulses that my eyes forwarded to my
In his biography - Sonny Barger is quoted as saying he wished the
Angels had not been so closely tied to Harley - that the Japanese
cruisers in particular were more reliable and much faster. He said
that before the rebirth of Harley - post AMF. My Crossbones has the
same reliability and overall
The faith discussion seemed to fall apart, but might now be pulling itself back
together - hence the slight subject change.
One variant of the pragmatic dictum, using James's catchy phrasing, is that
There is no difference that doesn't make a difference. In this particular
situation, the there is
If people are really interested in the evolution of Buddhism - Jenny
Quillien and I are planning a Buddha Tour - a month long study trip
starting at Bodh Gaya (birthplace) then proceeding to Dharmsala (Tibetan
variation) - Bangkok (Hinayana variation) - shaolin (the Taoist
infusion) - Nara Japan
Everybody,
Have a look at the link, doxastic logic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doxastic_logic , that Russ put in his note
below. It’s a stunner. Nick
From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of
ERIC P. CHARLES
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012
In the context of religious faith.
doubt * belief = 1
If doubt = 0 then belief = 1/0 = singularity = God
If certainty = 0 then doubt = 1/0 = noGod
In most Eastern religions people are somewhere in between and see no
harm in (occasionally) worshiping things they don't always believe in
(sort of
Sarbajit,
Interesting. I am packing up and also somebody has suggested that I am
jamming the channel here, so I wont say more now, except to thank you for
your illuminating and throughtful posts. Nick
-Original Message-
From: friam-boun...@redfish.com
Alfredo --
Very interesting listening.
One might believe that they are all very reasonable men, until you get to
the very end of the video where they listen to Hitch argue that the end of
world civilization is imminent unless the Islamic world is reformed of its
unacceptable beliefs, a
http://www.nature.com has provoked its own discussion on faith. In August:
*Sometimes science must give way to religion*
http://www.nature.com/news/sometimes-science-must-give-way-to-religion-1.11244
arguing
why it will always be necessary to have ways of understanding our world
beyond the
Dave and Jenny -
In the spirit of living vicariously, I took a moment to map a presumed
route (by Nissan Patrol, Jeepney, Motorcycle and/or foot)... with the
help of course, of Google (long name for an all-knowing God?) Acquiring
a Seep like this modified one
Gentlemen and Ladies-
There is a big question in this endless and reiterative loop about
faith and science that no one mentions.
So I will. Seems to be one of my functions.
To wit:
Even our brains have two primary and differing sections, the
hemispheres: for best health and growth of the
On 9/26/12 9:09 AM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:
Everybody,
Have a look at the link, doxastic logic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doxastic_logic, that Russ put in his
note below. It's a stunner. Nick
The preferred variant of many (vocal) FRIAMers is /Dogmatic Logic/ which
is the preferred
No, I think that would be me (jamming the channel)...
Sarbajit,
Interesting. I am packing up and also somebody has suggested that I am
jamming the channel here, so I wont say more now, except to thank you for
your illuminating and throughtful posts. Nick
-Original Message-
From:
Did you just point out that the mighty Hitch himself has come up with
his own justification for an anti-Islamic Jihad? And the rest endorsed
it with their silence?
Alfredo --
Very interesting listening.
One might believe that they are all very reasonable men, until you get
to the very end
Oh Yeah...
Tory -
Why is the idea of two differing but synergistic approaches so
challenging to so many on this list? Or are you arguing for the fun of
the game?
I'm pretty sure both the Monkey and the Weasel are in it for the
endorphins released.
The Mulberry bush is an innocent bystander, if in
(A post script to my frustrated rant replying to this thread (not to
this post, Roger))
None of what I said precludes the table pounding and the whiskey.
Need to go on record about that.
Tory
On Sep 26, 2012, at 2:02 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote:
http://www.nature.com has provoked its own
It's your honesty I've always loved about you, Steve.
I'm going with the weasel.
T
On Sep 26, 2012, at 2:40 PM, Steve Smith wrote:
Tory -
Why is the idea of two differing but synergistic approaches so
challenging to so many on this list? Or are you arguing for the fun
of the game?
I'm
Driving home I heard a report about New Zealand gangs. Apparently there are
more gang-members *per capita* in New Zealand than any other country.
(Surprised me.) Some of them are terribly violent. Very scary. Some have
been reformed after finding Jesus. One of the best things that religion has
Not necessarily, the religious conversion will likely reduce the kill-off
rate.
On the other hand, I suppose, we could encourage Islamic and Christian
themed gangs and still achieve a reasonable kill-off goal.
On Sep 26, 2012 4:19 PM, Russ Abbott russ.abb...@gmail.com wrote:
Driving home I
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 2:40 PM, Steve Smith sasm...@swcp.com wrote:
Tory -
Why is the idea of two differing but synergistic approaches so
challenging to so many on this list? Or are you arguing for the fun of the
game?
I'm pretty sure both the Monkey and the Weasel are in it for the
Yes, that's one way to hear it. But on review, I now hear Dennett
attempting to interject, and Hitch allowing that Dawkins disagrees. Also
wondering what got edited out, since something did.
But start at 1:54:00 and listen to the last three minutes and fourteen
seconds, and give me your
Well, speaking from my own (apparent) semi-unique perspective: Darwin's
proposition of Survival of the Fittest would seem to scream out for the
elimination of degenerate components of society which threaten to bring the
entire species to total extinction.
And, being an engineer, I cannot but
Darwinism only says that the least prolific will be eliminated. It says
nothing about degeneracy, unless, of course profligacy is defined as
advanced. Spencer was the social Darwinist, not Darwin. In fact, it was
SPENCER, who coined the survival of the fittest, I believe.
N
From:
Thank you Nick, I was going to say the same thing.
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Still, irrespective of whomever coined that old fittest rubric, dead gang
members are far more productive members of society than live ones, I
suspect.
On Sep 26, 2012 9:48 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net
wrote:
Darwinism only says that the least prolific will be eliminated.
I suspect that the more sensitive members of this list will think that my
last message was unnecessarily pejorative with respect to gangs, and gang
members. It would probably therefore be foolish of me to suggest including
child-abusing priests, scientologists, and more than a few of the military
The common theme, however, just to tie a bow on it, is societal degeneracy.
On Sep 26, 2012 10:15 PM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net wrote:
I suspect that the more sensitive members of this list will think that my
last message was unnecessarily pejorative with respect to gangs, and gang
And even the least prolific might manage to survive through a generation
where they deserved extinction, such can be the luck of the draw.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegitimi_non_carborundum, but Darwin isn't
going to help you on less than geologic time scales.
-- rec --
On Wed, Sep 26,
Doug -
Pretending to be one of the more sensitive members of the list, this
sounds a lot like the only good Injun is a dead Injun...
But that isn't what I want to take exception to... what I want to take
exception to is that you or I or anyone else gets to decide that
behaviours which
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