Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time

I have heard a proposal for doing smaller adjustments more often - but why not take that to the logical extreme and do it continuously? Most people use some form or other of computer to tell time nowadays anyway, and even physical mechanisms would not be extremely difficult (I think) to redesign to

Re: [FRIAM] Google Reader and More: Google Abandoning of Apps/Services

[email composed 5 messages back] There is a lot I don't know about Google, and considering it's complexity I agree that some aspects may be unknowable. But it is not going to drop Gmail soon. Although it may not be as much of a money maker as it was when ads were more prominent, it is the main way

Re: [FRIAM] Google Reader and More: Google Abandoning of Apps/Services

Funny. Going back to Hamming's lectures, again, in one of the early ones he lays out the case that scientific knowledge is growing exponentially, that most scientific researchers who ever lived are alive now, and that keeping current is "a very awkward problem" both personally and institutionally.

Re: [FRIAM] Google Reader and More: Google Abandoning of Apps/Services

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 2:57 PM, glen wrote: > > I'm very interested in the desire to and the frustration surrounding > _not_ being able to "figure Google out". I wonder if different people > (people ensconced in other domains, other fora) feel this same > desire/frustration around, say, Unileve

Re: [FRIAM] Google Reader and More: Google Abandoning of Apps/Services

Glen - I appreciate your analysis here at several levels (assuming I actually sorted it correctly), it is nicely dense and layered, appropriate for my particular palate at least. I'm very interested in the desire to and the frustration surrounding _not_ being able to "figure Google out". It *

Re: [FRIAM] Google Reader and More: Google Abandoning of Apps/Services

Yeah. Do no Evil, except, of course if you feel like it. N From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Jochen Fromm Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 4:00 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Google Reader and More: Google Abandoning of A

Re: [FRIAM] Google Reader and More: Google Abandoning of Apps/Services

Like many others I use Google Reader daily, it is hard to understand how they can kill such a good and useful product. Apparently it has to do with G+, see  http://thenextweb.com/google/2013/03/14/former-google-reader-product-manager-confirms-our-suspicions-its-demise-is-all-about-google/ -J.

Re: [FRIAM] Google Reader and More: Google Abandoning of Apps/Services

I'm very interested in the desire to and the frustration surrounding _not_ being able to "figure Google out". I wonder if different people (people ensconced in other domains, other fora) feel this same desire/frustration around, say, Unilever or General Electric? I can certainly see it from a si

Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time

So, in the fall, we don't change our clocks. For a while we just continue doing everything an hour ahead of everybody else and feel virtuous for it. Because we are retired, it doesn't make much difference. About two weeks in we change our clocks quietly. But it never works. Even without the TV

Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time

There are lots of different kinds of time; they're useful in different contexts. They're all "real" relative to those contexts. If the context is too many degrees away, the associated time may be locally correct, but is less relevant. So I guess that would mean that travel between contexts

Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time

Typical stomping grounds for philosophy but the practical issue is that some of us object to looking at the clock and being told by a dead president from a while back that it isn't 830 at night it's actualy 930 at night and it's about that time to unwind. Some states and few reservations seem to ge

Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time

Shoot your alarm clock then your TV then your entire digital ecology then your other foot then sell the gun to the city of Santa Fe And don't look back! Its not artificial when my alarm goes off in the morning! On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Parks, Raymond > wrote:

Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time

That "only to human beings" was my reply to the question of whether time is relevant. It reminds me of when I do my Pilates, and my instructor is yelling, Up, UP , UPPP!!! and I think, remember, gravity is a weak force. On Mar 14, 2013, at 2:24 PM, Owen Densmore wrote: > Its not artificial wh

Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time

Only to human beings. On Mar 14, 2013, at 2:10 PM, "Parks, Raymond" wrote: > "Time. Time is an artificial construct. An idea based on the theory that > events occur in a linear direction, at all times. Always forward, never > back. Is the concept of time correct? Is time relevant?" > >

Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time

Its not artificial when my alarm goes off in the morning! On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Parks, Raymond wrote: > "Time. Time is an artificial construct. An idea based on the theory > that events occur in a linear direction, at all times. Always forward, > never back. Is the concept of ti

Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time

"Time. Time is an artificial construct. An idea based on the theory that events occur in a linear direction, at all times. Always forward, never back. Is the concept of time correct? Is time relevant?" Ray Parks Consilient Heuristician/IDART Program Manager V: 505-844-4024 M: 505-238-9359

Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Re: Google Reader and More: Google Abandoning of Apps/Services

Replies in-line, below. Ray Parks Consilient Heuristician/IDART Program Manager V: 505-844-4024 M: 505-238-9359 P: 505-951-6084 NIPR: rcpa...@sandia.gov SIPR: rcpar...@sandia.doe.sgov.gov (send NIPR reminder) JWICS: dopa...@doe.ic.

Re: [FRIAM] Google Reader and More: Google Abandoning of Apps/Services

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote: > Oh come on guys, Google never makes a mistake. Ever. > > --Doug > OK, how's this for specific. Try these on: Do you think Android will last? I don't mean "will it completely go away" but will google, for example, drop out of the Androi

Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Google Reader and More: Google Abandoning of Apps/Services

No, I bet it will be the Nexus 4. On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Parks, Raymond wrote: > Maybe they'll get rid of Maps next spring cleaning? > >Ray Parks > Consilient Heuristician/IDART Program Manager > V: 505-844-4024 M: 505-238-9359 P: 505-951-6084 > NIPR: rcpa...@sandia.gov > SIPR

Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Google Reader and More: Google Abandoning of Apps/Services

Maybe they'll get rid of Maps next spring cleaning? Ray Parks Consilient Heuristician/IDART Program Manager V: 505-844-4024 M: 505-238-9359 P: 505-951-6084 NIPR: rcpa...@sandia.gov SIPR: rcpar...@sandia.doe.sgov.gov (send NIPR remi

Re: [FRIAM] Google Reader and More: Google Abandoning of Apps/Services

Oh come on guys, Google never makes a mistake. Ever. --Doug On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Tom Johnson wrote: > I agree, Owen. I don't understand this strategy either. Can anyone > explain how, once something is up and apparently solid, it requires a lot > of money to maintain it? > > All

Re: [FRIAM] Google Reader and More: Google Abandoning of Apps/Services

I agree, Owen. I don't understand this strategy either. Can anyone explain how, once something is up and apparently solid, it requires a lot of money to maintain it? All in all, Google seems to be trying to disassociate itself from its community(ies). I would be glad to pay for some of its apps

[FRIAM] Google Reader and More: Google Abandoning of Apps/Services

Good by Google Reader (which I use a lot): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5371725 .. and a host of others in this year's Spring Cleaning http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2013/03/a-second-spring-of-cleaning.html I will give them this: they have an export stunt, and I apparently can move