Yeah, but at least FOAR allows top-posting! Nothing on the internet is
more irrational than the bias against top-posting. And I mean it. The
bias against top-posting is the lower bound of rationality. Hm. Would
it be oxymoronic to claim the existence of an upper bound on
irrationality? Is
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 8:05 AM, glen ropella g...@ropella.name wrote:
Yeah, but at least FOAR allows top-posting!
On 4/25/13 8:05 AM, glen ropella wrote:
Nothing on the internet is more irrational than the bias against top-posting.
On 4/25/13 8:59 AM, Robert Holmes wrote:
Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Top-posting encourages those that don't dissect one proposition at
See below.
From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Robert Holmes
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 9:00 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Meta-discussion
[NST NST] Q: Does anybody know of an algorithm that creates an
The issue keeps coming up. Perhaps I'm just sensitive to it, since my
S.O. is (finally!) getting her B.S. in nursing at a Catholic university
... because she works for a Catholic hospital. And I can't think of a
better example of applied complexity. Here's a recent interview on
the Cancer
A better question might be: why are we still teaching them these dishonest
little fairy tales in the first place, which we then have to un-teach later?
--Doug
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 10:29 AM, glen g...@ropella.name wrote:
The same could be said of children, I suppose. When/how do you
Douglas Roberts wrote at 04/25/2013 09:44 AM:
A better question might be: why are we still teaching them these
dishonest little fairy tales in the first place, which we then have to
un-teach later?
I admit that's a more philosophical question, but not a better one.
It's not clear how answering
Unrelated to the main topic here, but all the talk of DNR et al reminded me
of this article earlier this week -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22154552 .
Hmmm.
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 10:38 PM, glen g...@ropella.name wrote:
Douglas Roberts wrote at 04/25/2013 09:44 AM:
A better question
The intent was to produce a pragmatic perspective, not a philosophical one.
By avoiding the telling of escapist fantasy-world fairy tails in the first
place, there will be less untruth to deal with at later stages in life.
--Doug
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:08 AM, glen g...@ropella.name wrote:
Douglas Roberts wrote at 04/25/2013 10:16 AM:
The intent was to produce a pragmatic perspective, not a philosophical
one. By avoiding the telling of escapist fantasy-world fairy tails in
the first place, there will be less untruth to deal with at later stages
in life.
You're talking about a
siddharth wrote at 04/25/2013 10:16 AM:
Unrelated to the main topic here, but all the talk of DNR et al reminded
me of this article earlier this week -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22154552 .
Hmmm.
Thanks. That's definitely relevant. But the trouble with that article
(and most,
On 4/25/13 11:36 AM, glen wrote:
So, the question remains, is there a medical benefit to bursting the
beliefs of a patient?
If the patient is asking a for an opinion, and the nurse has no reason
to think the patient's mental faculties are especially compromised, then
I think it is best to
'Realistic portrayals of CPR' such as this one by the British Heart
Foundation?!?! - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILxjxfB4zNk
*sigh* stomps off into the sunset
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:34 PM, glen g...@ropella.name wrote:
siddharth wrote at 04/25/2013 10:16 AM:
Unrelated to the main
We have a Wounded Warrior at Sandia who died three times - once on the
battlefield, once in the medevac helo, and once in the field hospital.
We have several WWs at Sandia - I wonder how they received the news of their
injuries? Combat injuries are surely a possible research pool to answer the
A question for Doug. Would you be so kind as to describe to me, in
sufficient detail that I could mount a Pragmatic test, this god of his whose
non-existence he so positively asserts?
A question for the person who speaks of escorting somebody into death. I
confess, being old, I quite like
Nicholas Thompson wrote at 04/25/2013 12:02 PM:
A question for the person who speaks of escorting somebody into death.
I confess, being old, I quite like the concept. But I guess we have to
remember that such an escort is always a Judas steer.
I could not disagree with you more. We're
If you're asking me the question, then you're probably asking the wrong
person. You'd most likely be better off asking a priest. Or a psychologist.
--Doug
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:36 AM, glen g...@ropella.name wrote:
beliefs of a patient? And more refined, does the condition of the
Douglas Roberts wrote at 04/25/2013 12:09 PM:
If you're asking me the question, then you're probably asking the wrong
person. You'd most likely be better off asking a priest. Or a psychologist.
No, I wasn't asking you. History has taught me that you won't
contribute. But I do believe there
Glen wrote:
The trick is whether the _cattle_ who are heading toward their slaughter are
self-aware enough to understand that they're going to die
Point taken. But, you know. Just to wax philosophical in exactly the sense
that enrages Doug, I don't think we know our own death's, do we?
Doug wrote:
The intent was to produce a pragmatic perspective, not a philosophical
one. By avoiding the telling of escapist fantasy-world fairy tails in
the first place, there will be less untruth to deal with at later
stages in life.
Both of my daughters (now 31, 33) were raised under the
That's an excellent 3 way split. I don't have any data to suggest what
percentage of patients ask for opinions. But many people seem to trust
the authority of the medical industrial complex. They take the drugs
they're told to take, have the surgeries their specialists recommend,
etc. So, my
Parks, Raymond wrote at 04/25/2013 11:36 AM:
We have several WWs at Sandia - I wonder how they received the news of
their injuries? Combat injuries are surely a possible research pool to
answer the question of tell or hide. A surgeon from either Beth Israel
or Mass General said that marathon
No, of course not. Perhaps death escort is a misnomer and dying
escort would be better?
To me, as a society, we bear the responsibility to make every dying
person (i.e. every person) aware of the _possibilities_ that might
obtain as we approach death. Or, if the person is a higher power type,
Q: glen wrote:
So, the question remains, is there a medical benefit to bursting the
beliefs of a patient? And more refined, does the condition of the
patient matter? E.g. I can see how bursting my friend, who is getting
accupuncture for her neck pain, might help her. But how about a 50
year
Steve's post made me think of the Roger McGough poem Let me die a
youngman's death:
Let me die a youngman's death
not a clean and inbetween
the sheets holywater death
not a famous-last-words
peaceful out of breath death
When I'm 73
and in constant good tumour
may I be mown down at dawn
by a
Oh. Ok. Thanks, glen. I was, in fact, being annoying in exactly the way
Doug or Owen would accuse me of.
Nick
-Original Message-
From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of glen
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 2:19 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee
And this is roughly what I like about both of you. A strong sense of
self...
And Nick's good natured desire to arbitrate as well.
Carry on!
- Steve
You know, Glen, you can be a bit of an asshole at times. History has
taught me this.
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:13 PM, glen
+2
Robert Holmes wrote:
Steve's post made me think of the Roger McGough poem Let me die a
youngman's death:
Let me die a youngman's death
not a clean and inbetween
the sheets holywater death
not a famous-last-words
peaceful out of breath death
When I'm 73
and in
Ah….
This and Steve's preceeding note are the most useful, humane comment so far in
this thread.
Thanks, Robert.
Tory
On Apr 25, 2013, at 2:44 PM, Robert Holmes rob...@robertholmes.org wrote:
Steve's post made me think of the Roger McGough poem Let me die a youngman's
death:
Let me die
Nick -
As much as this crowd (the vocal subset) likes to speculate (self
acutely implicated) about all kinds of things, I suspect that for many
of us, this speculation is anything but idle. I don't know our precise
demographics but I believe we are top loaded with many over-60's which
friend of mine sent me this:
http://jacksonandwilson.com/google-glass/
thought I 'd share the love for friam to consider.
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Ah yes, ah yes!
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From: Victoria Hughes victo...@toryhughes.com
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group friam@redfish.com
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] bursting the placebo bubble
Dear FRIAMers (even those of you who are a bit of an asshole now then)
I've come to the conclusion that it is best if we take separate vacations
this summer. Accordingly, I have adjusted my incoming stream of email to
skillfully detect any missives that originate from the FRIAM list, and have
According to the Village Pragmatist, this is a defeat. We have to stick
together at all cost.
N
From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Douglas Roberts
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 7:11 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: [FRIAM]
Doug,
Your quips will be missed in the interim. Make it a quick one. Get a tan,
have some pina coladas and come back rested and ready.
-S
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.netwrote:
Dear FRIAMers (even those of you who are a bit of an asshole now then)
I've
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 09:28:31AM -0600, Marcus G. Daniels wrote:
On 4/25/13 8:05 AM, glen ropella wrote:
Nothing on the internet is more irrational than the bias against
top-posting.
On 4/25/13 8:59 AM, Robert Holmes wrote:
Because it messes up the order in which people normally read
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 11:01:55PM -0600, Steve Smith wrote:
Nothing I love better than being thrown out of a bar. Exchanging a
few blows with the bouncers, maybe landing a rabbit punch or two on
the way through the door and coming back the next night for another
round!
Rules for the
Russel -
Thanks! Actually, I didn't find anything on the description pages about
banning
I thought it was *your* reference to banning (or maybe Glen) that I was
responding to. Top posts and all that...
I myself, am probably too rambly/tangenty for any list less seasoned by
my
In the spirit of Glen's offerings of DIY Science, here is one I was
recently tracking...
http://www.sparkbangbuzz.com/tealaser/tealaser7.htm
FYI T.E.A stands for transversely excited atmospheric laser... and it
essentially uses the 70+% N2 in the atmosphere as the active element...
the
Gil -
friend of mine sent me this:
http://jacksonandwilson.com/google-glass/
Thanks for the link... I do appreciate these kinds of
vision-casting... I'm sure humanity will continue to extend it's
phenotype rapidly, even if it doesn't go asymptotic/singularian... and
it will change who we
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