Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

Yes. My little bit of money went to the ACLU. But asking for money is all they do, and I feel the need for something more. We may need to become grunts ourselves, rather than paying for mercenaries. But until something better comes along, the ACLU seems the right thing. Yes, we have to

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

So we’re stuck, right, Pamela? There’s nothing we can do? Just sit and take it? Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns

Re: [FRIAM] [SPAM] Re: [[Narcissism Again]again]

Hi, Eric, It looks like your post got accidently sent in mid thought. Still, enough came through that I can say that I accept that “We Started It”. “Don’t trust anybody over 30” was the first shot fired, and “we” fired it. But don’t you agree that the right has gone lot’s further with

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

Steve, For me, there are only two questions I want you to ask yourself: Is the Trump administration likely to do things that will irrevocably decrease the quality of life of people you care about? (How widely you cast that net is your business.) And, Is there anything we can do t

Re: [FRIAM] [SPAM] Re: [[Narcissism Again]again]

"2. But I read Nick as saying that The Problem, and the central accomplishment of the Right, has been to install this shift in position as a feature of the population That is what worries me, and drives a sense of urgency to fix a problem I do not know how to fix because I don’t understand how

Re: [FRIAM] How we can make the COUNTRY great again

Gary, I would not like to be the helium drone trying to stay in one spot in a 120 knot jet stream, Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthomp

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

Pamela - Not to be (overly) ornery, but I *do* think that *an* Internet (global digital communications network) was inevitable without Gov't investment directly in *the Internet*... There were a plethora of online communities managed roughly as bulletin board services, the Whole Earth 'Lectr

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

Nick - I know I don't always seem to take your questions seriously, but I generally do. I DO think the computer industry HAS effectively contributed to a certain kind of isolation. On the other hand, here we are, most of us able to participate in a complex discussion, halfway around the wor

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

Gary - There is a lot of gray area between standing up for principles (openness to new ideas, value of science and education, respect for rights of those with whom you disagree) and holier-than-thou self-righteousness, which is what I believe the "country folk" see as "elite". Step too far int

Re: [FRIAM] How we can make the COUNTRY great again

Ah, here's a way to throw sand in the gears: http://www.npr.org/2017/01/28/512096744/as-trump-reboots-pipeline-expansion-an-unexpected-delay-emerges The FERC has to approve interstate pipelines and energy transfer infrastructure. It was down to 3 of 5 members when Trump elevated one of the exis

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

Pamela, Good points. The arrangement in the US is apparently that the government (NSF-sponsored funding, universities, labs. etc.) performs basic research so that industry does not have to foot that bill or take that risk. Then private industry does the lower risk "applied research" to put pr

Re: [FRIAM] How we can make the COUNTRY great again

https://x.company/loon/ -- rec -- On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 8:46 PM, Gary Schiltz wrote: > I don't have much experience with the GEO providers, e.g. Hughes, but I > seem to remember that the minimum latency of about a quarter second round > trip imposed by the speed of light makes them very unple

Re: [FRIAM] How we can make the COUNTRY great again

I don't have much experience with the GEO providers, e.g. Hughes, but I seem to remember that the minimum latency of about a quarter second round trip imposed by the speed of light makes them very unpleasant to use for VOIP, otherwise they are okay. Still, fiber is so much cheaper up until the "las

Re: [FRIAM] How we can make the COUNTRY great again

Perhaps a hybrid GEO/LEO could be made? The bandwidths are not bad for the existing satellite internet solutions. From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Gary Schiltz Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2017 11:55 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: R

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

< So, the question is , “Should we do what we can do, no matter how lame or ineffectual it might seem?” Or, should we pull back, “move to Spain’, and leave it to others, “the politicians”, to lower themselves to do what needs to be done. > Andrés asserts it is not populism by another means.

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

Before we blame any particular technology for what seems like an epidemic of narcissism, we ought to remember that the 80s—or was it the 70s?—were widely known as the Me Decade. Either way, long before social media. I’m always deeply amused by the libertarians who tell us how wicked government

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

Steve - Is there any way in which the computer industry has contributed to the narcissistic pandemic that is sweeping the world. Is there anything that participants in the computer industry could do tip the world back toward a fact-based attractor? If the answer to that question is no, t

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

There is a lot of gray area between standing up for principles (openness to new ideas, value of science and education, respect for rights of those with whom you disagree) and holier-than-thou self-righteousness, which is what I believe the "country folk" see as "elite". Step too far into that gray

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

Well, Marcus, So, the question is , “Should we do what we can do, no matter how lame or ineffectual it might seem?” Or, should we pull back, “move to Spain’, and leave it to others, “the politicians”, to lower themselves to do what needs to be done. Isn’t this one of the things the Quaker

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

Gary - I don't know if this is my own narcissistic self-indulgence, but as a one-time conservative (libertarian?) I am now so very aligned with the left *by* the rise of the right such that I feel deeply and passionately offended by this right-wing populism that is sweeping us. I feel more

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

I agree that we shouldn't have to feign interest in others' interests. I'm not ready to pretend to like country music, go to church, praise military adventures that I don't agree with, tell gays they are going to hell and that god will heal them. At the same time, I don't see how it is productive t

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

Toolkit? This rusty old box filled with rusty things that once resembled sharp tools and useful fasteners? I was thinking that if we *all* burned one gallon of petrol *less* a month (and everyone "like us") the demand would drop commensurately and the cost/value proposition for the pipelines

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

It is worth noting he’s living in Spain. From: Friam on behalf of "Robert J. Cordingley" Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Date: Saturday, January 28, 2017 at 11:34 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]aga

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

Well, I find this article depressing but plausible. Specifically, Andrés Miguel Rondón writes: “But it took opposition leaders 10 years to figure out that they needed to actually go to the slums and the countryside. Not for a speech or a r

Re: [FRIAM] How we can make the COUNTRY great again

That's cool, but this type of low earth orbit (LEO) satellites seem to me more sutible for ubiquitous low bandwidth communication, e.g. satellite phones. I don't know how well it would scale - for example, I doubt that millions of people could simultaneously get their full megabit from a small LEO

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

Glenn really Saromon? Naw not, Saromon, he's more like, plotting and scheming Sith or Romulan that can't quit get it.Saramon, is giving him a little bit too much credit from what I've seen. He's more like a Gul Ducacut from Star Trek. Or the Duras Sisters and going all Evil dude from the Simpsons L

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

The Washington Post has an interesting essay from a Venezuelan on what to do and mostly what not to do. https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/01/27/in-venezuela-we-couldnt-stop-chavez-dont-make-the-same-mistakes-we-did Robert C On 1/28/17 11:21 AM, Nick Thompson wrote: Ok S

Re: [FRIAM] How we can make the COUNTRY great again

Space X just launched the first 10 (of 70) of Iridium NEXT low-earth satellites. https://www.iridium.com/company/industryleadership/iridiumcertus It’s not high bandwidth (about a 1MB/sec), but should be lower latency than HughesNet, Wildblue, etc. From: Friam on behalf of Nick Thompson Reply

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

Ok Steve, The only reason to accept responsibility is to Take Charge. I have been able to think of only one concrete thing that I can do with my limited set of skills: Write Apple and tell them to stop calling new products "I-this" and "I-that." When are they going to release the WE-pho

Re: [FRIAM] How we can make the COUNTRY great again

No BroadBand at my farm in Central Massachusetts. Awaiting Gary’s International Assistance. Remember a few years back when Venezuela was supplying cut-rate oil to low income people in New England? Just Sayin’ Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biolo

Re: [FRIAM] How we can make the COUNTRY great again

I have been working here in Ecuador to provide internet access to poorly served areas, and it is a challenge, albiet not an insurmountable one. Wireless technology from smallish companies like Ubiquiti, Mikrotik, and Mimosa to name a few, is pretty inexpensive, even here where import duties are hig

Re: [FRIAM] [SPAM] Re: [[Narcissism Again]again]

Thank you, Eric, Well clipped! Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Eric Smith Sent: Friday, Januar

Re: [FRIAM] How we can make the COUNTRY great again

This is where we are glad Nick is looking into how to take interesting Friam threads and putting them in a blog of some sort. Nick: any progress? Ideas on how to proceed? On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 9:40 AM, Owen Densmore wrote: > Santa Fe, and New Mexico in general, is interesting in that regard.

Re: [FRIAM] How we can make the COUNTRY great again

Santa Fe, and New Mexico in general, is interesting in that regard. SF is not a large city, and is the state capitol. (Not unusual for the capitol cities to be small in the US). Yet it has the Santa Fe Institute and quite an active techie crowd (our sister list, wedtech, for example). NM has a sp

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

What can WE hobbits do? Scratch our hairy knuckles and indulge in second dinnerses? Fun aside, I DO appreciate your sentiment here and agree that the Narcissist in Chief is at least partly a (focused) reflection of our own worst qualities, and *perhaps* if we tend our own garden even a litt

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

Dear All, I have been teasing the Local Congregation about our role in the Narcissistic Revolution of the last 30 years … cable TV, the “personal” computer, the I-mac, the I-phone, You-tube, facebook, etc. What sort of bots and memes could people of our power and talent unleash into the wo

Re: [FRIAM] AI advance

Fascinating! I remember the broad discussions at the Cellular Automata Conference here in 1984 on the challenges/opportunities of using a CA to play GO. I had an (unpublished of course) variation on Bill Gosper's HashLife which I hoped might be a good

[FRIAM] AI advance

Of interest to some: https://www.wired.com/2016/01/in-a-huge-breakthrough-googles-ai-beats-a-top-player-at-the-game-of-go -JS FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscri

[FRIAM] How we can make the COUNTRY great again

Eric Schmidt posted an interesting article about the digital divide in both urban and rural America on Google+ and Twitter recently (I don't use Facebook).https://goo.gl/GYrBGgDo the digital divide and the urban-rural divide have something in common? Here in Germany they seem to have a lot in

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

Yes, agree. Trump’s point of view is “Whatever I can win with is true.”  And if he wins with what we call “a lie”, it is true for him. Exactly. If you ask how we can counter and resist him, then I would say peaceful protests are the right way. The women's march was impressive, and the rebellion