Re: [FRIAM] tolerance of intolerance

little. We'd still have over-populated prisons and biased demographics. We'd still see the courts abused by rich people to intimidate debunkers, whistleblowers, and poor people. I'd love to focus more on potential solutions than doomer commiseration. On 9/30/24 13:37, Marcus Danie

Re: [FRIAM] tolerance of intolerance

aucracy may be weaker to attack than the dialectic of expert witnesses. Everyone understands false dichotomy. No single person understands supply chains in their entirety (without vague pretentions to master equations). On 9/30/24 10:02, Marcus Daniels wrote: > People are prone to corruption

Re: [FRIAM] tolerance of intolerance

ich allows me to doubt everything ... regardless of EricC and Nick's claim that's impossible. So it's no crisis for this almost-dead privied white man. But the kids? What will they see on the other side of this Rawlsian Veil? I'm so thankful I have no children. On 9/28/

Re: [FRIAM] tolerance of intolerance

Violating social laws may or may not have consequences. That depends on the enforcement mechanisms of a society. Violating physical laws is not possible. Thus, social laws should follow physical laws, as it was before Chevron was overturned. Not the other way around. -Original Message--

Re: [FRIAM] tolerance of intolerance

An unfortunate case of unwarranted optimism. I did enjoy watching Civil War. Totally not what I expected. From: Friam on behalf of glen Date: Tuesday, September 24, 2024 at 7:17 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] tolerance of intolerance Unfortunately, I'm still thinking about t

Re: [FRIAM] affinity for chatbots

ots Are LLMs nothing if not the epitome of "gestalting" (aka "other ways of knowing")? for better and/or worse? On 9/15/24 2:08 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: How do we hold LLM (companies) accountable for their tool’s suggestions other showing their chain of reasoning and showi

Re: [FRIAM] affinity for chatbots

How do we hold LLM (companies) accountable for their tool’s suggestions other showing their chain of reasoning and showing the evidence for the axioms they adopt? That is, by adopting the scientific methods. Can we expect LLMs to have “other ways of knowing”? If not, why not? From: Friam

Re: [FRIAM] affinity for chatbots

I'm reminded of the technical series of books like _JavaScript: The Good Parts_. One could imagine that unaligned LLMs could be valuable as in Minority Report or for writing addictive video games -- characterize the distribution of deviant behaviors with high fidelity, while sampling unobserved

Re: [FRIAM] affinity for chatbots

All I can make of this result is that, for now, some users of chatbots may not think that chatbots have residual bias inherited from training material, or that the training protocol has removed or qualified contradictions. (The latter is likely the case given the nature of the optimization.) I h

Re: [FRIAM] Starlink

Neat trick, but no substitute for fiber. 🙂 https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/d227591a-534e-4811-a3e9-1b055d44914d From: Friam on behalf of Gary Schiltz Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2024 8:50 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject:

Re: [FRIAM] on government

countability mechanisms exist for influence-obsessed Karens and Kevins everywhere, including academic circles and neighborhood meetings. It's bribes of one form or another all the way down. On 8/27/24 20:02, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Well-resourced individuals and organizations ca

Re: [FRIAM] on government

d decisions be somewhat fluid over time to reflect the evolving nature of science. Something that would never happen with Chevron intact. davew On Tue, Aug 27, 2024, at 11:46 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Dave writes: > > < Before Chevron was overturned, those same agencies determina

Re: [FRIAM] on government

n overactive immune system. Whether it's the militarization of local police or TradWife rhetoric, it all just seems like "too much". I don't know how to encourage people to calm down. Snarkisms like "touch grass" or "take a breath" don't cut it. On 8/2

Re: [FRIAM] on government

Steve writes: < Must *I* storm the capitol if one (or several or many) legislators-en-residence don't attend to my personal-petty preferences (interests) well enough? Some say yes, but I think they just like storming and tearing down any symbols of "governance" (except their own rebel/nazi fl

Re: [FRIAM] on government

Simply having interests, or the courage of your convictions is immune evasion, if I understand. The problem with news, social media and many kinds of communication is that they risk decreasing social entropy. People become too similar. People stop trying because they feel pressured to confo

Re: [FRIAM] on government

Dave writes: < Before Chevron was overturned, those same agencies determination of "science" behind those rules could not be challenged. > Good -- the justices aren't scientists. The mechanism of change should be through scientific debate, not legal debate. Marcus smime.p7s Description: S/

Re: [FRIAM] on government

I'm in the process of building a machine room for work stuff.Several neighbors hate it, but what they hate is a legal building envelope. If I had to persuade them to like it, I couldn't have it. Although the city takes their pound of flesh (building permits, inspection fees, taxes), they

Re: [FRIAM] This makes me think of this list...

snatched, etc. When that happens, I can't help but wonder why these people are all so convinced of their own views. People are just weird. It's not a campaign slogan. It's the truth. On 8/15/24 08:45, Marcus Daniels wrote: > I feel I should scream on Eric’s behalf. > > *From

Re: [FRIAM] This makes me think of this list...

ajc2H8A_rkZ9GB_yCA,,&typo=1> Whaddya know, its on topic. -- rec -- On Wed, Aug 14, 2024 at 2:11 PM Marcus Daniels mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com> > wrote: Claude remarks: << Good Soldier Švejk might respond to questions about consciousness and information determinism

Re: [FRIAM] This makes me think of this list...

Claude remarks: << Good Soldier Švejk might respond to questions about consciousness and information determinism with a seemingly irrelevant anecdote, perhaps about a drunk man convinced his goldfish was controlling his thoughts through "information in the water." >> smime.p7s Descr

Re: [FRIAM] This makes me think of this list...

I suspect LLMs like Grok trained on social media would compress millions of people down to a relatively small number of representative patterns. When debating topics on, say, Nextdoor, I find conversations have a predictable decision-tree type property. The more people in the thread the less nu

Re: [FRIAM] When are telic attributions appropriate in physical descriptions?

There's a large dog park where I walk my dog most every day. One of the minor downsides of this park is that there are these geezers there that sit on the park benches and rant about various things. Their dogs are puzzled because all the other dogs get walks, but they are expected to sit the

Re: [FRIAM] differential diagnosis of psychopathic vs spiritual experiences

Hmm. IIRC it was more traumatic than three dimensions could capture. From: Friam On Behalf Of Stephen Guerin Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2024 6:05 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] differential diagnosis of psychopathic vs spiritual experiences

Re: [FRIAM] why musk bought twitter

o that it'll be available across the transition *and* Lying to his flock such that they sacrifice to him in order to engage in projects that will ensure the transition happens and that he and his flock will exist on the other side. None of that is nihilist. What am I missing? On 8/2/24 11:32,

Re: [FRIAM] why musk bought twitter

the other side of the transition - and an attempt to bury one's hoard so that it's available on the other side. And I think that eschatological conception fits better with his narrative arc than a nihilistic one. On 8/2/24 11:11, Marcus Daniels wrote: > My standard answer to this is -

Re: [FRIAM] why musk bought twitter

My standard answer to this is -- given the neural reference frame of nihilism -- is why not try some grand social experiments. There is no Purpose, so causing harm in the short term, or for that matter long term, ultimately doesn't matter. -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of

Re: [FRIAM] Clocks

It might be interesting to train a LLM on cellular automata rules to teach it how to design or detect reversible vs. destructive processes; to understand causality in operational terms. From: Friam On Behalf Of Jon Zingale Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2024 12:36 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re

Re: [FRIAM] Clocks

Claude gives 7 categories for consideration of time, and 9 categories for the physical definition of time. It gives this pseudocode for implementing an atomic clock. def atomic_clock(): while True: atoms = generate_atom_beam() selected_atoms = state_selection(atoms)

Re: [FRIAM] Lebesgue

Is it better to have four channels with this as content or millions of streams where a tiny fraction of a percent has content like this? Hard not to like the leadership of the BBC here. From: Friam On Behalf Of Jon Zingale Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2024 7:35 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: [

Re: [FRIAM] Writing and Civilization and AI, oh my!

ike? -- Russ Abbott Professor Emeritus, Computer Science California State University, Los Angeles On Fri, Jul 26, 2024 at 12:13 PM Marcus Daniels mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com> > wrote: Which of this cannot be encoded digitally by a robot? -Orig

Re: [FRIAM] Writing and Civilization and AI, oh my!

my! None of IT. The problem is 'extracting' and formalizing IT with sufficient rigor to be encodable. davew On Fri, Jul 26, 2024, at 2:13 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Which of this cannot be encoded digitally by a robot? > > -Original Message-

Re: [FRIAM] Writing and Civilization and AI, oh my!

a and > fauna, knowledge or wisdom) matters. What matters is the milieu, > co-mediated by artifacts like math and painting. > > On 7/26/24 09:14, Marcus Daniels wrote: >> *< *Particularly galling to me is the deprecation and dismissal of >> any human knowledge, wisdom, ex

Re: [FRIAM] Self-Consciousness, experience and metaphysics

We keep returning to it because some people think brains are special – like nonphysical and non-computable -- and in ways they can’t or won’t articulate. From: Friam On Behalf Of Nicholas Thompson Sent: Friday, July 26, 2024 9:25 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group ; P

Re: [FRIAM] Writing and Civilization and AI, oh my!

< Particularly galling to me is the deprecation and dismissal of any human knowledge, wisdom, experience ... that cannot be reduced to mere words and abstract symbols. The epitome of this is the conceit that AI—which is nothing more than the algorithmic manipulation of abstract meaningless token

Re: [FRIAM] New Mexican's Sunday's story on education proficiency

The issue is not that operators can be defined differently from popular definitions, it is that they aren't defined at all, or are defined on the fly. To retrospectively define the operator would require understanding the sociology of MAGA, microcosms of interaction, and the desire to destroy g

Re: [FRIAM] Why the Mystery of Consciousness Is Deeper Than We Thought

Marcus Daniels mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com> > wrote: So sad! https://www.tiktok.com/@itsgatsbytime/video/7271730952144014635?is_from_webapp=1 <https://www.tiktok.com/@itsgatsbytime/video/7271730952144014635?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc> &sender_device=pc From: Fri

Re: [FRIAM] tolerance of intolerance

omes America's Grandpa. Come on Deep State. Make it happen. 8^D On 7/15/24 17:30, Russ Abbott wrote: > I wonder what Scott's response would have been to those of us who, in > response to the shooting, thought: better luck next time. > On 7/15/24 17:28, Marcus Daniels wrote: &

Re: [FRIAM] tolerance of intolerance

Come on Deep State. Make it happen. 8^D > > On 7/15/24 17:30, Russ Abbott wrote: > > I wonder what Scott's response would have been to those of us who, in > response to the shooting, thought: better luck next time. > > On 7/15/24 17:28, Marcus Daniels w

Re: [FRIAM] Why the Mystery of Consciousness Is Deeper Than We Thought

2024 10:21 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Why the Mystery of Consciousness Is Deeper Than We Thought Another fabulous example. Sad to say, I have never held hands with a dog. Nick On Tue, Jul 16, 2024 at 1:13 PM Marcus Dani

Re: [FRIAM] Why the Mystery of Consciousness Is Deeper Than We Thought

Consciousness Is Deeper Than We Thought Another fabulous example. Sad to say, I have never held hands with a dog. Nick On Tue, Jul 16, 2024 at 1:13 PM Marcus Daniels mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com> > wrote: It shows that one can have a prior, and modify it based on other evidence.

Re: [FRIAM] Why the Mystery of Consciousness Is Deeper Than We Thought

Nick On Tue, Jul 16, 2024 at 12:51 PM Marcus Daniels mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com> > wrote: Ok, here’s another example. My dog paws at me when I’m sitting on the couch. At first it appeared to be an expression of affection. Then I realized what she really wanted: Move and gi

Re: [FRIAM] Why the Mystery of Consciousness Is Deeper Than We Thought

Ok, here’s another example. My dog paws at me when I’m sitting on the couch. At first it appeared to be an expression of affection. Then I realized what she really wanted: Move and give her the space.She did the same thing with her male sibling (a dog), and he would get rattled and wa

Re: [FRIAM] tolerance of intolerance

skills and reap some serious benefits while helping the State achieve serious feats. But extrapolation always comes with uncertainty. And humans are incapable of reasoning over such. Our machine siblings, however ... On 7/16/24 07:43, Marcus Daniels wrote: > The gross failure of the

Re: [FRIAM] tolerance of intolerance

ting, thought: better luck next time. > On 7/15/24 17:28, Marcus Daniels wrote: >> It ignores the option of doing things quietly and indirectly. >> On 7/15/24 16:46, glen wrote: >>> [Scott's] Prayer >>> https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=8117 >>> >>&g

Re: [FRIAM] tolerance of intolerance

It ignores the option of doing things quietly and indirectly. -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of glen Sent: Monday, July 15, 2024 4:47 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: [FRIAM] tolerance of intolerance [Scott's] Prayer https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=8117 I'm currently surround

Re: [FRIAM] Why the Mystery of Consciousness Is Deeper Than We Thought

Why this distinction for dogs? These things would apply to people too. From: Friam On Behalf Of Nicholas Thompson Sent: Monday, July 15, 2024 3:29 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Why the Mystery of Consciousness Is Deeper Than We Thought

Re: [FRIAM] Does Dusty Love Dave, and VV.

Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Does Dusty Love Dave, and VV. Great. Can you describe,in what ever detail seems right, what that seeming consists of? nick On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 4:47 PM Marcus Daniels mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com> > wrote: Mirror recogniti

Re: [FRIAM] Does Dusty Love Dave, and VV.

Mirror recognition (or usage) took a while for my dog to learn. She seems perplexed by the fact humans and dogs look different. While I don’t know she is looking at herself, she seems to understand the difference between me in a mirror and me right in front of her. She no longer thinks it i

Re: [FRIAM] Does Dusty Love Dave, and VV.

sensitivity and respect for differing perspectives. From: Friam on behalf of Nicholas Thompson Date: Saturday, July 13, 2024 at 6:40 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Does Dusty Love Dave, and VV. Hi, Marcus Could you say a bit mor

Re: [FRIAM] Does Dusty Love Dave, and VV.

 1. The dog sitter I used in Santa Fe had a video feed. I could see how Abby reacted to other people picking up their dogs using their video feed. She did not. When I picked-up Abby, she would throw her body at the plexiglass wall over and over. She did this every day. 2. Now when I pick up Ab

Re: [FRIAM] Does Dusty Love Dave, and VV.

Anthropomorphism is a modelling approach with a certain type of priors. These priors could prove to be false, but of course they would never be given this my dog we’re talking about. From: Prof David West Sent: Friday, July 12, 2024 2:41 PM To: Marcus Daniels ; The Friday Morning

Re: [FRIAM] To what questions can't an LLM in principle respond to?

requires more than a fixed finite number of steps. -- Russ On Fri, Jul 12, 2024, 10:19 AM Marcus Daniels mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com> > wrote: What questions can’t a LLM in principle respond? And you may ask yourself, “Well, how did I get here?” And you may ask y

Re: [FRIAM] To what questions can't an LLM in principle respond to?

-- Russ On Fri, Jul 12, 2024, 10:19 AM Marcus Daniels mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com> > wrote: What questions can’t a LLM in principle respond? And you may ask yourself, “Well, how did I get here?” And you may ask yourself, “How do I work this?” From: Friam mailto:friam-bou

Re: [FRIAM] Does Dusty Love Dave, and VV.

I can predict many of my dog’s state transitions. She wakes me up to go outside. With high probability, she will then go to her spot on the couch. Between 30 seconds and five minutes later she’ll determine if I have space for her. She doesn’t bother with sleeping people, but awake people sh

Re: [FRIAM] Is consciousness a mystery? (used to be "mystery...deeper".T

, then the statement that such a system is conscious is a tautology, without empirical implication. On Fri, Jul 12, 2024 at 12:50 PM Marcus Daniels mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com> > wrote: Some supercomputer networks an effective radix of 64. Blue Gene Q had five-dimensional real torus

Re: [FRIAM] Is consciousness a mystery? (used to be "mystery...deeper".T

eeper".T Granted - "a sort of consciousness" davew On Fri, Jul 12, 2024, at 11:50 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: Some supercomputer networks an effective radix of 64. Blue Gene Q had five-dimensional real torus for connectivity.These network fabrics are typically a

Re: [FRIAM] Is consciousness a mystery? (used to be "mystery...deeper".T

Some supercomputer networks an effective radix of 64. Blue Gene Q had five-dimensional real torus for connectivity.These network fabrics are typically autonomous remote DMA systems that are configured so that processors do not have to intervene in data transfers. Extreme ultraviolet lith

Re: [FRIAM] Is consciousness a mystery? (used to be "mystery...deeper".T

My car turns on its windshield wipers when it is wet. Among the trillions of tokens of a LLM training would include texts on equation of state. These are things that can be related. From: Friam On Behalf Of Russ Abbott Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2024 9:56 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Co

Re: [FRIAM] Why the Mystery of Consciousness Is Deeper Than We Thought

Whenever I go on a bike ride in San Francisco, I’m usually passed by a Waymo autonomous car. From: Friam On Behalf Of Jochen Fromm Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2024 4:29 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Why the Mystery of Consciousness Is Deeper Than We

Re: [FRIAM] Why the Mystery of Consciousness Is Deeper Than We Thought

To me "meta" just means constructors in type space. https://richarde.dev/papers/2012/singletons/paper.pdf -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of glen Sent: Friday, July 5, 2024 4:48 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Why the Mystery of Consciousness Is Deeper Than We T

Re: [FRIAM] Why the Mystery of Consciousness Is Deeper Than We Thought

The context problem is fixable. For example, through neural implants or robotics. Another movie: https://youtu.be/3s0LTDhqe5A From: Friam On Behalf Of Prof David West Sent: Friday, July 5, 2024 7:46 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Why the Mystery of Consciousness Is Deep

Re: [FRIAM] An Open Letter to Joe Biden

Bruce Willis was in that. Real life was a little more real. On Jul 4, 2024, at 2:37 PM, Prof David West wrote:  movie RED (retired and extremely dangerous) old guys and gal get best of young whippersnappers. also sequel. davew On Thu, Jul 4, 2024, at 3:31 PM, Jochen Fromm wrote: The talk

Re: [FRIAM] An Open Letter to Joe Biden

Amen. More from the Economist, https://econ.st/3zu8zgW From: Friam On Behalf Of thompnicks...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2024 9:56 AM To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' Subject: [FRIAM] An Open Letter to Joe Biden My Phellow Phriammers, I am frantic ab

Re: [FRIAM] [un]official disambiguation?

le Trump is like Ebrahim Raisi. On 7/2/24 07:15, Marcus Daniels wrote: > The MAGAs aren't the wealthy, they are envious of the wealthy. DJT included. > > -Original Message- > From: Friam On Behalf Of glen > Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2024 6:28 AM > To: friam@redfish.

Re: [FRIAM] [un]official disambiguation?

The MAGAs aren't the wealthy, they are envious of the wealthy. DJT included. -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of glen Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2024 6:28 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [un]official disambiguation? I worry this is too conspiratorial. The only way I

Re: [FRIAM] Debate and Election

Right-wing authoritarianism seems to be about 25-30% of the population in the United States. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarian_personality https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/02/28/who-likes-authoritarianism-and-how-do-they-want-to-change-their-government/ From: Friam On

Re: [FRIAM] [un]official disambiguation?

ore it. I should probably turn off all the (physical) screens in my view and let the virtual ones inside my skull wind down a little? Oh, but the limbic chaos it engenders! - Stave On 7/1/24 10:32 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: Besides the heroic act of following LBJ, another one could

Re: [FRIAM] [un]official disambiguation?

x27;t understand their long game. On 7/1/24 09:32, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Besides the heroic act of following LBJ, another one could be to deal with > Trump. Hard to punish an old person with threat of incarceration. His > defense could last years until he died, and meanwhile

Re: [FRIAM] [un]official disambiguation?

. Biden's debate performance. It's like everyone's lost their executive function. I'm starting to think we need to send every citizen through pilot training so they can learn to stay calm under duress ... and I'm normally the first to insult the Rationalists. 8^D On 7/

Re: [FRIAM] [un]official disambiguation?

The "outer perimeter" would allow Biden to through Trump in a dungeon, etc. No? -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of glen Sent: Monday, July 1, 2024 7:59 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: [FRIAM] [un]official disambiguation? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2024/jul/01/su

Re: [FRIAM] the world is watching us...

oni-mitchell-performance.html> From: Friam on behalf of Marcus Daniels Date: Saturday, June 29, 2024 at 4:21 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] the world is watching us... I remember what it was like doing long bike climbs in my twenties. Thos

Re: [FRIAM] the world is watching us...

I remember what it was like doing long bike climbs in my twenties. Those were the days of 180 BPM+ heart rates. And I remember working 18-hour days, or not even sleeping when I had momentum on a project. I can’t do those things now. No, it isn’t all age. Some of those behaviors were just stupid

Re: [FRIAM] new directions at the michael levin lab

I’ve never been able to understand people that play or write video games. There’s one game some colleagues were playing that simulated navigating academia and becoming a PI. People like nursing their PTSD? Ick. From: Friam On Behalf Of Roger Critchlow Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 2:53

Re: [FRIAM] Addiction and depression

Caffeine’s (coffee or diet coke) main purpose for me is for motivation.The more pointless I find a task, the more coffee I need to complete it. Finding tasks pointless and unenjoyable is of course a symptom of depression, but the more interesting aspect is bootstrapping.Breaking static

Re: [FRIAM] new math of complexity

Sure, if God is purposeless and neither omniscient nor omnipotent. -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of glen Sent: Friday, June 14, 2024 10:42 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] new math of complexity IDK. If by "discussion", you mean co-constructing reality, then I'd

Re: [FRIAM] new math of complexity

(or there is something we might call God), at every > turn, as soon as it's defined concretely, it's eventually falsified. That > leads some of us to tire out, give up, and just flip the faith and assume > there is no uncontrollable thing. > >> On 6/13/24 19:13, Marc

Re: [FRIAM] new math of complexity

Steve writes: < She starts out with simple Materialist/Vitalist contrasts but alludes (nearly) to Marcus latest snark: " Simulate from first principles: https://www.vasp.at/ > What’s odd is this idea there is something about nature that can’t be described in a repeatable way, such that a digi

Re: [FRIAM] new math of complexity

Meanwhile there are semantic parsing systems like Boxer and MRS/ERG that represent natural language in a symbolic way. Evolutionary algorithms run on digital computers and large language models that encode and interpolate metaphors. From: Friam On Behalf Of steve smith Sent: Thursday, Ju

Re: [FRIAM] new math of complexity

Simulate from first principles: https://www.vasp.at/ From: Friam on behalf of Prof David West Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2024 6:11 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] new math of complexity Naive, but honest question: Can a computer program be "compl

Re: [FRIAM] words

ng that holds us all together." But I sincerely doubt it. But maybe by "have to have", you mean that an LLM *could* be trained (and/or structured) to bias toward rare expressions/concepts in its training set instead of more common ones. On 5/30/24 09:01, Marcus Daniels wrote: >

Re: [FRIAM] words

between spaces. It's the thing that holds us all together." But I sincerely doubt it. But maybe by "have to have", you mean that an LLM *could* be trained (and/or structured) to bias toward rare expressions/concepts in its training set instead of more common ones. On 5/30/2

Re: [FRIAM] words

I'm not going to watch Joe Rogan, 😊 but I think LLMs don't have to have this homogenous mean problem. They capture a distribution, so it is a question of the inference procedure to sample from it. What is the (beam) search algorithm, how deep does it go, and what is the sampling temperature.

Re: [FRIAM] Potential Vorticity and the Dynamic Tropopause

n of monks and priests. On 5/16/24 10:02, Marcus Daniels wrote: > The bias is emergent from the physical system. > > -Original Message- > From: Friam On Behalf Of glen > Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2024 9:52 AM > To: friam@redfish.com > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Potential Vorti

Re: [FRIAM] Potential Vorticity and the Dynamic Tropopause

icul[ous|e-deserving]? If I'm a high order Markov process and my historicity heavily biases me toward a subspace of behaviors, isn't that reasonable labeled "downward causation"? On 5/16/24 08:32, Marcus Daniels wrote: > I'd like to take a moment to ridicule the notion o

Re: [FRIAM] Potential Vorticity and the Dynamic Tropopause

I'd like to take a moment to ridicule the notion of downward causality as I'm reading this. 😊 -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of glen Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2024 8:01 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Potential Vorticity and the Dynamic Tropopause I suppose the pr

Re: [FRIAM] Potential vorticity and financial markets Fwd: CDS Friday seminar (CSI 899, CSS 898) for 26 April, 3 PM

Behind the order book there are people. These people often don’t have to show their hand because they can split big orders over time or even across platforms and not impact the price or otherwise lose their anonymity. That’s where ABM or some sort of theory of mind can come into play. It i

Re: [FRIAM] move fast, break things

And how many similar exploits are out there, sponsored by GCHQ, NSA, etc. -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of glen Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2024 8:52 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: [FRIAM] move fast, break things What we know about the xz Utils backdoor that almost infected th

Re: [FRIAM] A hundred words for swindle

Speaking of airplane mode, I wonder how many Starlink satellites could be damaged from a big coronal mass ejection? If the computers get fried, how do deorbit protocols work? From: Friam On Behalf Of Roger Critchlow Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2024 6:08 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Comple

Re: [FRIAM] death by ubiquity

nt seawater is to _everything_ except maybe fish. Thinking about aging and Arecibo. Eric On Mar 28, 2024, at 3:51 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: Way offshore in some cases, but also deep. Maybe the underwater mass could help hold the platform in place? https://www.aegirinsights.com/offshore-

[FRIAM] political chatbots

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/03/28/opinion/ai-political-bias.html?unlocked_article_code=1.gU0.fWgD.UveHHkiWwMrz &smid=url-share smime.p7s D

Re: [FRIAM] death by ubiquity

https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/microsoft-hires-erin-henderson-to-head-nuclear-development-acceleration-for-data-centers/ -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of Prof David West Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2024 6:34 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] death by ubiqu

Re: [FRIAM] death by ubiquity

It will force innovation on energy-efficient microarchitecture (e.g. Groq) and on renewable power generation near data centers. -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of glen Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2024 7:09 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: [FRIAM] death by ubiquity As we frivolo

Re: [FRIAM] the inequities of uniquity

e to robust obtains like some kind of Hebbian reinforcement, use it or lose it, win the hearts and minds or dissipate to nothing. I.e. there is no such thing as free thought. Thought can't decouple from social manipulation. On 3/21/24 13:38, Marcus Daniels wrote: > In the LLM examp

Re: [FRIAM] the inequities of uniquity

ness in wasteful sophistry. What matters is *how* things are the same and how they differ. Their qualities and values (nearly) orthogonal to novelty. On 3/21/24 11:29, Marcus Daniels wrote: > If GPT systems capture some sense of "usual" context based on trillions of > inter

Re: [FRIAM] the inequities of uniquity

If GPT systems capture some sense of "usual" context based on trillions of internet tokens, and that corpus is regarded approximately "global context", then it seems not so objectionable to call "unusual", new training items that contribute to fine-tuning loss. It seems reasonable to worry

Re: [FRIAM] The lies of Trump and ecDNA

Focus on getting the majority in Congress so he can be impeached. > On Feb 29, 2024, at 7:08 AM, glen wrote: > > This is exactly why Trump needs to stay on the ballot(s) and be defeated by > a "normal" election. Every cry of Martyr is more fuel for the much smarter > younger traitors waiting

Re: [FRIAM] synthephobia?

I see a lot of these. https://www.amazon.com/Slap-Art-Prius-Nobody-Vinyl-Sticker/dp/B01ATPDNHW/ref=sr_1_4?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.y1p8Pc_NMpXdgygdN4ZvGSz8aklC-73Ehs1tOwKYAZhxGJn0WzRXRXAvyjoeY9BCVZPfYtdp__LbTddNGOuImpiUFT1xbQ75yPWGoBOqxhZXtl4GZqmIFuaKnA6Yurw8PB5cH0bXBh9kB7WvNRL2pgXtQIXF18_rZ-lsGyB23SEix

Re: [FRIAM] Some brands of digital electric meters wildly inaccurate on nonlinear loads, and NM may get them soon!

compared to 61% for China (as per Statista) FYI: The USA has 60% electricity generation from fossil fuels. https://powermin.gov.in/en/content/power-sector-glance-all-india https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php On Wed, Feb 14, 2024 at 2:23 AM Marcus Daniels mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>>

Re: [FRIAM] The problems of interdisciplinary research

l include a design that we think is a good formalization of the pre-formal gestures toward curiosity. Eric On Feb 10, 2024, at 8:19 PM, Marcus Daniels mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote: If one takes results like this -- https://arxiv.org/abs/2402.04494 -- and then consider

Re: [FRIAM] The problems of interdisciplinary research

If one takes results like this -- https://arxiv.org/abs/2402.04494 -- and then consider what happens with, say, Code Llama, it seems plausible that it is representing both the breadth and depth of what humans know about large and complex code bases. It is not clear to me why knowledge can’t be

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