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Wow. I just checked my records and it was already 3 years ago that we started
that Baez book.
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Is it really as bad as all of that? I like your choice of Darboux, rather
than Euler or Gauss, because his name quickly points me in a particular
direction. My experience is that familiarity with the tastes of individual
mathematicians contributes to navigating that vast sea, mercifully
suggesting
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From: Friam On Behalf Of Prof David West
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2020 8:04 AM
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Nick,
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> From: Friam On Behalf Of David Eric Smith
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> Hi Nick,
>
> I
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Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2020 11:32 AM
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I’m actually quite on board with your wish to make these questions more
inte
What can you possibly mean by "totally unknown"? EricS' reference to freezing
doesn't imply that the thing frozen "knows" anything about being frozen. It's
simply a state, in a space, where some other states in that space are
unreachable. Anthropomorphizing to dreaming humans adds that higher
du/nthompson/
From: Friam On Behalf Of David Eric Smith
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2020 10:00 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Getting You Libertarians' Goats
I want to somehow say sigh and sigh on this thread.
It comes somehow straight out of
Eric Smith wrote:
> */ Dreams are an epiphenomena of the waking brain catching the
> sleeping brain at its work. I think I have just created a dualist
> monster here. Oh, well. <===nst] /*
>
> I actually think this is fine. What I have seen about the
> memory-reinforcement role believed to be
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> From: Friam On Behalf Of jon zingale
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> Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
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> Scratching oneself? I'm not trying to be a pain.
>
on zingale
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Nick,
Let's say I have a language designed to work with sticks, where for
instance, it makes sense to name certain relations *Triangle*. Additionally,
let's assume that th
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Maturana and Varela use structural coupling at th
er known, what people mean by
>>> "downward" causation. Do you have some simple models of it in mind that
>>> even I could understand?
>>>
>>> Nick
>>> Nicholas Thompson
>>> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
>>>
cernable value to
>> users of any one model so at some point there will be conflict over that
>> energy.The Libertarian claims that there is something in common between
>> the users of these models, but it is nothing more than story that serves her
>> purpos
dual fields, Nick, dual fields.
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Nick,
Let's say I have a language designed to work with sticks, where for
instance, it makes sense to name certain relations *Triangle*. Additionally,
let's assume that the language is detailed enough to include less obvious
relations such as those which relate sticks to trees to soil and water.
from watching me and we both
> learn who we are by watching them.
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From: Friam On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
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Scratching oneself? I'm not trying to be a pain.
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> I'm not Marcus but a classical example is mental eve
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I'm not Marcus but a class
versity
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I'd argue that, as long as there's common structure between the agents
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Using statistical mechanics
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> *From:* Friam <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> *On Behalf Of *Eric Charles
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> So delayed r
Is this the right question?What does a society optimize for?
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Thanks, Eric. He came off
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So delayed response to the original... based on the longer reviews I've
seen, this is partially a criticism of meritocracy itself, but also a very
strong criticism of the neo-liberal ba
EricC -
Thanks for your thought out, coherent summary/analysis. I think you
cover the issues (as I see them) well, conflating credentials with
competence or capability (while there is a correlation, sometimes it is
negative, and in fact it is just a tiny subdomain within a higher
dimensional
So delayed response to the original... based on the longer reviews I've
seen, this is partially a criticism of meritocracy itself, but also a very
strong criticism of the neo-liberal bastardization of meritocracy. As it
says in the opening line of the review in the original post: The thing
? ???
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I'd argue that, as long as there's common structure between the agents building
and using the control layer models, then there will be shared concepts in and
of those models
On Behalf Of ? glen
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Well, sure. But the assumptions and simplifications are piling up fast. With
anarcho-capitalism, I was trying to suggest a governing
Well, sure. But the assumptions and simplifications are piling up fast. With
anarcho-capitalism, I was trying to suggest a governing system that relies on
as few assumptions as possible. And my sense is that social democracy relies on
more assumptions (like the existence of stable functional
d functional form on the basis of
physics.
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Well, the 2nd part of my response was the dynamic landscape. The equil
Well, the 2nd part of my response was the dynamic landscape. The equilibrium to
which it [re]bounds to is NOT the same as the previous equilibrium. And, along
with my objection to SteveG's use of "phase transition" in social systems, it's
not even clear to me that any kind of *objective*
without really knowing what one is doing. The system rebounds to an
equilibrium.
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The "heating" refers
The "heating" refers to an over-simplified optimization analogy, particularly
low-dimensional and where the landscape is static. If you allow more nuanced
actions other than breaking the law or violence, then the "heat" can be
anything from walking down main street with a BLM sign to gathering
barriers are small
compared to the kinetics of individuals? Or it just never happens?
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Well, as Steve's question hints, there's
Well, as Steve's question hints, there's a difference between the limit and the
process that approaches the limit. Anarcho-syndicalism isn't tunneling. Unions,
labor, community organizing, etc. are tunneling. And anarcho-syndicalism would
be the state to which they're tunneling. [⛧] I'm a bit
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Getting You Libertarians' Goats
I still think some form of anarcho-syndicalism is plausible:
https://mises.org/library/anarcho-syndicalism-recipe-ruin
But there are some intense local minima we have to go through to get there.
On 9/14/20 1:39 PM, Steve Smith wrote:
> I'm alw
I still think some form of anarcho-syndicalism is plausible:
https://mises.org/library/anarcho-syndicalism-recipe-ruin
But there are some intense local minima we have to go through to get there.
On 9/14/20 1:39 PM, Steve Smith wrote:
> I'm always game to hear about what *have to be* myriad
> Yes, online shopping does seem to be directly analogous to mall and big box
> shopping, engine oil right next to the organic apples! What's not to love?
Seductive it is.
> More importantly, monopolies like Amazon demonstrate, once again, that the
> computer is less flexible than the humans
Yes, online shopping does seem to be directly analogous to mall and big box
shopping, engine oil right next to the organic apples! What's not to love?
More importantly, monopolies like Amazon demonstrate, once again, that the
computer is less flexible than the humans using the computer. Their
for Amazon
delivery, I want to see a few plausible Trumpers delivering my Lysol. (The
books I'll transfer electronically.)
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On 9/14/20 9:51 AM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote:
> Well, the argument is not mainly that they're too big. It's that they use
> offensive marketing tactics to *kill* smaller "competitors" ... e.g.
> diapers.com. You know, good old fashioned capitalism. If they didn't engage
> in that sort of thing, they
When we lived near Seattle, my wife worked for a while at HP, where she
heard this story. Some visitors from Germany were visiting HP, and when
one of them saw the clusters of smokers outside, who were mostly women,
he said to his HP host, “Wow! Does HP really provide hookers for their
Exactly, which is why I *politely* suggest, if you care about your local book
shop, do not use Amazon.
On 9/14/20 9:04 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> The real objection seems to be to (not so) good old-fashioned capitalism.
> Amazon is just good at it.
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Amazon is just good at it.
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Well
Well, the argument is not mainly that they're too big. It's that they use
offensive marketing tactics to *kill* smaller "competitors" ... e.g.
diapers.com. You know, good old fashioned capitalism. If they didn't engage in
that sort of thing, they wouldn't be villains. The "natural" reduction to
en use the force of government to break it up.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: Friam On Behalf Of Steve Smith
>
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 8:34 AM
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> To: friam@redfish.com
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&g
I guess I don't get all this animosity toward Amazon. If it is too big, then
use the force of government to break it up.
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From: Friam On Behalf Of Steve Smith
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 8:34 AM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Getting You Libertarians
Glen -
Thanks for the reminder to keep on supporting local/independent if you
want them to be around later. Or because they are your neighbors. Or
of course, if you just want to stick it to Bezos like the Lilliputians
that we are!
I didn't know about this resource. I have degenerated to
And just in case you want to avoid enriching super villains like Bezos:
https://bookshop.org/books/bonds-of-civility/9780521601153
https://bookshop.org/books/the-taming-of-the-samurai-honorific-individualism-and-the-making-of-modern-japan-revised/9780674868090
And the book Steve shared:
I ordered a board game this morning,
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/311484/kapital, based on a mention in
the New Yorker.
Roll the dice, pay 10k financial, collect 10k social, ..., oops,
revolution, redistribute!
Votre commande a été acceptée, replied the publisher, not sure why a
command
My partner, Sarah, remarked that the abstract is remarkable in that it seems
parallel (for her) to how she experiences our world today. The book is on my
reading list. Thank you.
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My 56 year-old daughter smokes cigarettes. She is the head Latin teacher at an
elite boarding school in upstate New York. I ask her why she smokes and I
point out that most Latin teachers don't. It may be classist but it seems to
me that very few professionals smoke
My 56 year-old daughter smokes cigarettes. She is the head Latin teacher
at an elite boarding school in upstate New York. I ask her why she smokes
and I point out that most Latin teachers don't. It may be classist but it
seems to me that very few professionals smoke. She says, "Believe me, I
This idea of places where people of different walks “encounter each other” — or
even better have something meaningful to do with each other, has an interesting
role at a certain period of social change in Japan.
From a friend and colleague:
Yes to Ikegami's "Bonds of Civility"and her other book "Taming of the
Samurai".
Carl
On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 4:14 PM David Eric Smith
wrote:
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> — or even better have something meaningful to do with each other, has an
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> More luck. Luck isn't the only thing but it's important. Nick Hanauer
> says that years ago he had a couple million to inv
m On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
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More luck. Luck isn't the only thing but it's important. Nick Hanauer says
that years ago he had a couple milli
020 12:26 PM
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Agreed.
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> More luck. Luck isn't the only thing but it's important. Nick Hanauer
> says that years ago he had a couple million to invest and he was presented
> with a couple of venture ca
: Sunday, September 13, 2020 11:15 AM
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More luck. Luck isn't the only thing but it's important. Nick Hanauer says
that years ago he had a couple million to invest and he was presented
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> This should do it!
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> https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/michael-
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This should do it!
https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/michael-j-sandel/the-tyranny-of-merit/
The thesis
This should do it!
https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/michael-j-sandel/the-tyranny-of-m
erit/
The thesis is that "meritocracy" is the cause of the fact that the us is now
the least socially mobile country among the western democracies.
Nick
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