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Well, I'm hoping that better education is associated with lower poverty and crime. But I suppose that my friends and I will be deceased or oblivious by the time today's preschoolers are old enough to be criminals. Frank Frank Wimberly Phone (505) 670-9918 On Apr 27, 2017 4:21 PM, "Marcus

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Frank writes: "I don't care about the tax or how much sugar I consume but everyone will benefit from wider access to pre-K. Speaking of elitist, most of my friends are my age peers and have no young children in their lives currently." Everyone except your friends. Marcus

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lf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 3:55 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Santa Fe's Sugar Tax Joe writes: "It is Elitist to be in favor of something that promotes general health?" It is elitist to burden your neighbors'

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Perhaps it is elitist to even be questioning any of this? If you have the time/energy/resources to worry about the impact of sugary drinks on the general population, that might be elitist, no matter how you land/vote on the topic? Here is an interesting article on the question of elitism

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Joe writes: "It is Elitist to be in favor of something that promotes general health?" It is elitist to burden your neighbors' pocketbook by pushing for law to promote general health AND is it is elitist to not care about your neighbors' health! Damned elitists! Marcus

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No. It's a common refrain amongst those who oppose taxes like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sin_tax#Opposition On 04/26/2017 02:14 PM, Owen Densmore wrote: > Am I the only one who smells Elitist? After all, it won't impact US! -- ☣ glen

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Am I the only one who smells Elitist? After all, it won't impact US! FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com

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Got it. You have to buy the chemical, not the sweetener. I think there's plenty for all of us to groom, plenty. T. Tom Johnson Institute for Analytic Journalism -- Santa Fe, NM USA 505.577.6482(c)

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Steve: Have you looked into Stevia? http://www.webmd.com/diet/stevia-sugar-substitutes#1-2 TJ Tom Johnson Institute for Analytic Journalism -- Santa Fe, NM USA 505.577.6482(c)505.473.9646(h) Society of

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Group <friam@redfish.com> Cc: Sherry Kelsey <kel...@edc.pitt.edu> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Santa Fe's Sugar Tax I'm wondering this morning, if the nation seems to have accepted the fact that the federal government can regulate vehicle mileage, require seat belt installation, testing of drug

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I think Sugar is the new Tobacco on many fronts... it WILL fall (somewhat), albeit slowly. And we will be able to get it without the tax on the Reservation from a drive-through window? Meanwhile I need to start a fresh batch of Kombucha and if the *only* reliable source of sugar is (as

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I'm wondering this morning, if the nation seems to have accepted the fact that the federal government can regulate vehicle mileage, require seat belt installation, testing of drugs for public consumption, etc., how come it can't regulate sugar (and sodium?) in food and drink? Could it be the

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Much as I agree with Tom's analysis and wish for a better process for public policy decision making (hey that was my career at Carnegie Mellon!), the issue here for our own voting is whether we better off if this initiative passes. I vote yes. Indeed I have already voted yes. Also I cannot

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We have a lot of data on whether sin taxes do or don't work. And that data is colored/interpreted by everyone who sees it, like all data. And that brings me to my problem with Tom's argument. We can focus on this part: "Voting on the measure is also a vote for or against good social

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Me, too, Joe. On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Joe Spinden wrote: > I do not disagree with the analysis, but I think the tax would result in a > lower consumption. I think this is good from a general health POV, despite > the fact that the bill is not well-researched nor

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Joe that assumes: -Martinez finishes her term. -The next govenor and their cheifs even bother to revist it. -The bill even passes. Like I said yesterday part of my concern is it's so vague it can be purposly smartalcly interperted--because! As I (tried to) point out with silly examples of fruits

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I do not disagree with the analysis, but I think the tax would result in a lower consumption. I think this is good from a general health POV, despite the fact that the bill is not well-researched nor well-written. This is probably the only shot SF has to get something like this through. So,

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On 4/26/17 10:00 AM, Owen Densmore wrote: Could we get back to Tom's OP? I for one am a "no" vote for exactly Tom's reasons. I can't help you with the vote. While I'm a county resident, I am not a city resident for just such reasons. If I did have a dog in this particular fight, I would

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Could we get back to Tom's OP? I for one am a "no" vote for exactly Tom's reasons. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe

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Merle - I appreciate your open-ness about this... I would not have expected you to have voted for his Orangeness, but I was not surprised that you had trouble with HIllary. Absence of Evidence vs Evidence of Absence? I'm surprised you refer to Trump's behaviour as "transparent"... he

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< This is, I think, different from the "best of all possible world"... It's more like a rejection of a stable landscape. > I'm sure they'd like that hypothesis once it was explained to them by a leader with a 4th grade vocabulary. (And someone explained it to him.) For people that can't pay

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When it came time to cast my vote for President, I was very worried about the absence of transparency coming out of the Clinton campaign. Hillary had obviously been guilty of many breaches of protocol during her time in the government. I didn't have the data I needed to refute the obvious

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I think one of the useful arguments in this vein is the one often lobbed against the concept of a free market. There is no such thing; and there will/can never be such a thing. So, your question seems to assume there is a "true" economy by comparison to the "false" economies (or an upside

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Steve wrote: "...And as much as I like my year round bounty of fresh fruits and veggies imported from around the world (with gawd knows how much inefficiency and product waste/spoilage)" George Duncan and I were in Sri Lanka in January. We stopped at a highway produce stand in the interior

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I fully agree adding junk to food is a foods is a issue. I am just concerned their might be (hopefuly) better ways to bring desperatly needed funds to NM. I just wonder if there's a better way to go about fixing that problem, and try to encourage people to enjoy a healthyER life style. I am

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Steve wrote: "...And as much as I like my year round bounty of fresh fruits and veggies imported from around the world (with gawd knows how much inefficiency and product waste/spoilage)" George Duncan and I were in Sri Lanka in January. We stopped at a highway produce stand in the interior part

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Gil- For what it is worth, I recommend that you buy local honey from a local beekeeper, probably off the books, not subject to sugar (or any other kind of) tax. It will be much healthier for you (the local pollens help with allergies, etc.) and will support a local economy well beyond the

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The issue is refined sugars added into products, Gil. I'm sure your grapes and strawberries are safe. T. Tom Johnson Institute for Analytic Journalism -- Santa Fe, NM USA 505.577.6482(c)505.473.9646(h)

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As someone that's currently...Financially Challenged. All this crap adds up, and as you note it's to easy to interpert how you want. For example: I am (famously?) a tea lover. I love all kinds of tea, medically helpful, just fun etc. Why do I mention that? How likely would they decide my 2-3buck

[FRIAM] Santa Fe's Sugar Tax

For the FRIAMers in Santa Fe who might be interested in the sugar-tax vote There's an interesting issue coming up on a May 2nd city ballot here in Santa Fe: Whether the city can tax drinks with sugar. I may have a short letter running in The New Mexican this week, but here is the link to