Re: Not a PowerBook after all...?

2005-02-24 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 2/24/05 1:41 AM, Dyna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For some, a Mac is a status symbol like a luxury car and they will pay any amount to obtain one... The last time I saw so much BS I was hauling a honey wagon. People buy Macs for a single reason - it is the tool that works for them. Your

Re: Not a PowerBook after all...?

2005-02-24 Thread Larry le Mac
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or to use my Grandmother's words: Some people know the cost of everything and the value of nothing. Really cool!! I'll keep that for my next PC-Mac argument!! Larry _ Express yourself

Re: PCs are crap (was Not a PowerBook after all...?

2005-02-24 Thread Larry le Mac
From: Chris H. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yep, I wouldn't part with my dawg or my Macs for nuttin honey. Nor would I but I have to speak / meet people some times, and me and my son have 50-60 racing games not available for the Mac... Larry _

Re: Not a PowerBook after all...?

2005-02-24 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Feb 23, 2005, at 11:41 PM, Dyna wrote: Perhaps I should clarify that I'm largely comparing hardware here- So was he. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pha acy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- G-Books is sponsored by

Re: Not a PowerBook after all...?

2005-02-24 Thread Peter Saint James
On 23 Feb2005, at 1:43 PM, Laurent Daudelin wrote: when you compare Macintosh with similarly equipped PeeCees, most of the time, the Peecees end up being far more expensive than the Mac. That's my experience also. When I recently shopped for a Powerbook, Windoze machines seemed to be

Re: Not a PowerBook after all...?

2005-02-24 Thread Dyna
On Feb 23, 2005, at 11:41 PM, Dyna wrote: Perhaps I should clarify that I'm largely comparing hardware here- So was he. OK, so let's compare hardware... I work for America's 3rd largest employer, the Postal Service. They've been sucked into the Micro$oft vortex and the official laptop and

Re: Not a PowerBook after all...?

2005-02-24 Thread Marcin Wichary
The last time I saw so much BS I was hauling a honey wagon. People buy Macs for a single reason - it is the tool that works for them. And you know that because you asked every one of them? Personally, there were many reasons why I bought my first Mac, and the one you mentioned wasn't among them.

Re: Not a PowerBook after all...?

2005-02-24 Thread Larry le Mac
From: Marcin Wichary [EMAIL PROTECTED] People buy Macs for a single reason - it is the tool that works for them. And you know that because you asked every one of them? Personally, there were many reasons why I bought my first Mac, and the one you mentioned wasn't among them. I am one of the

Re: Not a PowerBook after all...?

2005-02-24 Thread Mimi Vitetta
Working in the industry I have to say I agree with Larry's assessment of why people use Mac. I think that's why we published the Mac Bible. :) Mimi~ From: Marcin Wichary [EMAIL PROTECTED] People buy Macs for a single reason - it is the tool that works for them. And you know that because

Re: Not a PowerBook after all...?

2005-02-24 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Feb 24, 2005, at 12:07 PM, Dyna wrote: On Feb 23, 2005, at 11:41 PM, Dyna wrote: Perhaps I should clarify that I'm largely comparing hardware here- So was he. First it's 'subpoena', and if your employer is doing that to your laptop, you've got more problems than whether you're using Windows,

Re: Not a PowerBook after all...?

2005-02-24 Thread Clark Martin
At 12:41 AM -0600 2/24/05, Dyna wrote: . Time and again, when you compare Macintosh with similarly equipped PeeCees, most of the time, the Peecees end up being far more expensive than the Mac. -Laurent. Perhaps I should clarify that I'm largely comparing hardware here- I have refused gifts of

Re: Not a PowerBook after all...?

2005-02-24 Thread John
Clark Martin wrote: At 12:41 AM -0600 2/24/05, Dyna wrote: Perhaps I should clarify that I'm largely comparing hardware here- I have refused gifts of bootleg Windoze with no regrets! Looking Mac and PC hardware these days one finds that a lot of the parts (hard drives, optical drives,

Re: Not a PowerBook after all...?

2005-02-24 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 2/24/05 12:11 PM, Marcin Wichary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The last time I saw so much BS I was hauling a honey wagon. People buy Macs for a single reason - it is the tool that works for them. And you know that because you asked every one of them? Personally, there were many reasons

Re: Not a PowerBook after all...?

2005-02-24 Thread Timothy Luoma
On Feb 24, 2005, at 1:41 AM, Dyna wrote: . Time and again, when you compare Macintosh with similarly equipped PeeCees, most of the time, the Peecees end up being far more expensive than the Mac. Perhaps I should clarify that I'm largely comparing hardware here Whereas Laurent was comparing

Re: Not a PowerBook after all...?

2005-02-24 Thread Dyna
If you compare a VW and a Mercedes you will see tires, a steering wheel, seats... does that make them equal? Which VW and Daimler-Chrysler products are you comparing- VW makes cars from the low priced subcompacts up to the Phaeton, Touraeg/Cayanne, Audi, and Bentley and light and medium

Not a PowerBook after all...?

2005-02-23 Thread Larry le Mac
Hi! I have been doing some serious thinking and have realised that maybe a PowerBook isn't what I really need, but a slightly more powerfull, but semi-moveable computer, and when I read on Apple's site that the iMac G5 is even sold as a moveable machine, I figured that maybe I should consider this

Re: Not a PowerBook after all...?

2005-02-23 Thread Dennis B. Swaney
At 9:46 AM +0100 2/23/05, Larry le Mac wrote: Any rumours, or typical timing of an update ? Yes. Updates usually come out shortly AFTER you make a decision and buy a new computer. If you wait for the next edition, you'll never buy anything. -- Sincerely, Dennis B. Swaney Windows is a

Re: Not a PowerBook after all...?

2005-02-23 Thread Larry le Mac
From: Dennis B. Swaney [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes. Updates usually come out shortly AFTER you make a decision and buy a new computer. Yes, it's happened twice to me with Powerbooks, and NOW is the time to buy an AlBook, but looking at the iMac G5 it's been fairly quiet... --- If you wait for the next

Re: Not a PowerBook after all...?

2005-02-23 Thread Brian Rule
It's hard to say, Apple did a good job over the last year of falling completely out of their upgrade cycle in several lines. The iMac G5 has remained the same since September when it was released. Typically apple revamps each series every 6 months or so, so March-April would be a good guess,

Re: Not a PowerBook after all...?

2005-02-23 Thread Amber R.
Larry, On 23-Feb-05, at 7:02 AM, Larry le Mac wrote: From: Dennis B. Swaney [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes. Updates usually come out shortly AFTER you make a decision and buy a new computer. Yes, it's happened twice to me with Powerbooks, and NOW is the time to buy an AlBook, but looking at the iMac G5

Re: Not a PowerBook after all...?

2005-02-23 Thread Beniamino Cenci Goga
At 9:46 AM +0100 2/23/05, Larry le Mac wrote: Any rumours, or typical timing of an update ? Yes. Updates usually come out shortly AFTER you make a decision and buy a new computer. If you wait for the next edition, you'll never buy anything. True, but not completely. A friend of mine wanted to

Re: Not a PowerBook after all...?

2005-02-23 Thread Larry le Mac
From: Brian Rule [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you want one, keep an eye on www.macrumors.com and I wouldn't wait any longer than a month or month and a half if you absolutely need the most up to date version. I don't have to have, it's that as I have decided to buy brand new instead of buying and then

Re: Not a PowerBook after all...?

2005-02-23 Thread Larry le Mac
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Re: Not a PowerBook after all...?

2005-02-23 Thread Amber R.
On 23-Feb-05, at 9:17 AM, Larry le Mac wrote: I don't have to have, it's that as I have decided to buy brand new instead of buying and then selling to buy something else. If I buy new I will lose if I sell, so therefore I will keep... I will collapse in shock when you finally make a decision and

Re: Not a PowerBook after all...?

2005-02-23 Thread Dyna
The $500 Mac Mini has upset the whole Mac pricing structure and the market will force a correction. As a result the eMac is probably extinct and the the iMac will have to be given a substantial upgrade and/or it's price cut to under $1000. Meanwhile, the PC makers have responded to the Mini

Re: Not a PowerBook after all...?

2005-02-23 Thread Laurent Daudelin
On 23/02/05 12:48, Dyna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The $500 Mac Mini has upset the whole Mac pricing structure and the market will force a correction. As a result the eMac is probably extinct and the the iMac will have to be given a substantial upgrade and/or it's price cut to under $1000.

PCs are crap (was Not a PowerBook after all...?

2005-02-23 Thread Larry le Mac
From: Laurent Daudelin [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm not going to flame you because I take your whole argumentation as your own opinion. Time and again, when you compare Macintosh with similarly equipped PeeCees, most of the time, the Peecees end up being far more expensive than the Mac. I started this

Re: Not a PowerBook after all...?

2005-02-23 Thread Ben Dyer
On 24 Feb 2005, at 04:48, Dyna wrote: The $500 Mac Mini has upset the whole Mac pricing structure and the market will force a correction. As a result the eMac is probably extinct and the the iMac will have to be given a substantial upgrade and/or it's price cut to under $1000. Meanwhile, the

Re: Not a PowerBook after all...?

2005-02-23 Thread Steve Fuller
Dell: Integrated Graphics (the desktop version is laughable enough, imagine it on a laptop!) Apple: Radeon 9200 32MB (slow, but vastly, vastly better than integrated graphics) TECHNICALLY, they're both integrated. It's just that one is using a chipset built by a company that does nothing but

Re: Not a PowerBook after all...?

2005-02-23 Thread Ben Dyer
On 24 Feb 2005, at 12:19, Steve Fuller wrote: Dell: Integrated Graphics (the desktop version is laughable enough, imagine it on a laptop!) Apple: Radeon 9200 32MB (slow, but vastly, vastly better than integrated graphics) TECHNICALLY, they're both integrated. It's just that one is using a

Re: PCs are ??? (was Not a PowerBook after all...?

2005-02-23 Thread Brian Stewart
There is a saying; the more I meet people the more I like my dog, well, mine is the more I use PCs the more I love my Mac(s)... In my world money is an OBJECT! I run a couple of macs at a sever budget. PeeCees at the same price I pay for my macs would be serious crap. I just went out an picked

Re: PCs are ??? (was Not a PowerBook after all...?

2005-02-23 Thread Ben Dyer
On 24 Feb 2005, at 14:29, Brian Stewart wrote: Quick Question... Why cripple the CPU cache on the laptops? My old G4 has a 1MB cache and this thing has only 256K The faster bus speed and clock speed are crippled with such a small cache? Go for a powerbook!!! IIRC the older G4's cache ran

Re: PCs are ??? (was Not a PowerBook after all...?

2005-02-23 Thread Andrew F.
My new 1.5GHz 12 feels awfully fast to me, regardless of cache size. Much faster than the 2.2GHz Pentium 4 desktop I am stuck using at work. Andrew On 2/23/05 8:12 PM, Ben Dyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 24 Feb 2005, at 14:29, Brian Stewart wrote: Quick Question... Why cripple the CPU

Re: PCs are crap (was Not a PowerBook after all...?

2005-02-23 Thread Chris H .
On Feb 23, 2005, at 16:10, G-Books wrote: In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Larry le Mac [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PCs are crap (was Not a PowerBook after all...? Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 21:13:39 +0100 I have just spent an our with my son on our PC, a 600MHz AMD with 32MB video card and fairly

Re: Not a PowerBook after all...?

2005-02-23 Thread Dyna
. Time and again, when you compare Macintosh with similarly equipped PeeCees, most of the time, the Peecees end up being far more expensive than the Mac. -Laurent. Perhaps I should clarify that I'm largely comparing hardware here- I have refused gifts of bootleg Windoze with no regrets! Looking