On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Christian Grobmeier
grobme...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote:
+1
And while we are at
snip
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 9:38 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote:
I do acknowledge that it can be really
hard to get some things changed and you may need a thick skin and lots
of perseverance. But lets try to demonstrate its possible - Christian
tell us three things you'd like
FYI
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From: Mohammad Nour El-Din nour.moham...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 2:25 PM
Subject: [RESULT][VOTE] Graduation to TLP
To: bval-...@incubator.apache.org
Hi...
I announce that, according to [1], this [VOTE] has passed successfully.
Will
Apologies for not adding more details:
This [VOTE] has passed with 11 +1(s), no 0(s) and no -1(s), details:
Gerhard Petracek - gpetracek (*, +)
Mark Struberg - struberg (*, #, +)
Matt Benson - mbenson (#, +)
David Jencks - djencks (#, +)
Roman Stumm - romanstumm (*, +)
Simone Tripodi -
Dear Apache members,
Over the past 2 months, the Kafka Apache incubator project has been trying
to release its very first version in Apache. After 7 RCs, we are still not
done. Part of this is because most of us are new to the Apache release
process and are learning things along the way. However,
- Original Message -
From: Jun Rao jun...@gmail.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Cc: kafka-...@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 2:13 PM
Subject: concerns about high overhead in Apache incubator releases
Dear Apache members,
[...]
2. Different Apache
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote:
snip
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 9:38 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote:
I do acknowledge that it can be really
hard to get some things changed and you may need a thick skin and lots
of
Christian,
Your proposals read to me as an elaboration and extension of some of
the things I wrote. I think that Joe S's reaction to me, insofar as I
understand it, makes some sense.
Let's see if we can find a small group of members of the IPMC who are,
in fact, willing to take seriously the
On Nov 27, 2011, at 11:21 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Jun Rao jun...@gmail.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Cc: kafka-...@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 2:13 PM
Subject: concerns about high overhead in Apache incubator
I sympathize with you're comments, however, I do want to point out that the
problems are more to do with the Project committers and mentors than the
process (although documentation can always be improved).
As evidence I submit the Apache Rave poddling. This project made its first
release within a
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 7:41 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
Christian,
Your proposals read to me as an elaboration and extension of some of
the things I wrote. I think that Joe S's reaction to me, insofar as I
understand it, makes some sense.
Let's see if we can find a
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 7:21 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Jun Rao jun...@gmail.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Cc: kafka-...@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 2:13 PM
Subject: concerns about high overhead in
If we can build such a group, it would be the logical nucleus of a
reboot. If not, well, we've got other problems.
Care to give some specifics?
Robert
Robert,
Between my posts at the top of this thread, and all the many messages
on Joe's (I think) thread about the board wanting to delegate
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 8:09 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote:
On Nov 27, 2011, at 11:21 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Jun Rao jun...@gmail.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Cc: kafka-...@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Sunday,
One piece of advice I've been kicking myself for not offering more
aggressively is this: ask for review before you bother to put up a
candidate for a vote. It's a lot less work.
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin
robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Jun Rao jun...@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Apache members,
Over the past 2 months, the Kafka Apache incubator project has been trying
to release its very first version in Apache. After 7 RCs, we are still not
done. Part of this is because most of us are new to the
Sorry screaming kids prevented me from reviewing properly. one sentence was
made incomprehensible by autocorrect...
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
On Nov 27, 2011 8:09 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
I sympathize with you're comments, however,
On Nov 27, 2011, at 12:53 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
NO. The only time someone can claim to hold a veto over a release vote is
when they are jibberjabbering about legal issues. NOTICE errors really
don't risk a lawsuit from anyone, so those -1's are NOT vetoes.
If Joe didn't send
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From: Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Cc: Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com; kafka-...@incubator.apache.org
kafka-...@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: concerns
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 9:05 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com
snip
Any legal issue serious enough to VETO a release would require code
access to be blocked and all discussions taken private. Anything short
of this isn't
I think I've been leading a sheltered existence. In the TLPs of which
I play a part, over the 5 years or so that I've been around, I've
never seen a release proceed past a -1. Every single time, a -1 has
led to recutting the release.
In some ways, I'd expect the incubator to be more conservative
I guess I sent one email too many here. On the other thread, I was
perfectly happy to join the nacent consensus that the willing should
step up and supervise, as opposed to any sort of structural change.
I'm back there now. And, anyway, all if this is a hijack. This thread
started as 'how can we
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 9:25 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 8:41 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com
wrote:
...Let's see if we can find a small group of members of the IPMC who are,
in fact, willing to take seriously the task of
Hi all,
We could use another vote or two,
Thanks!
-P
Sent from my Windows Phone
From: Benson Margulies
Sent: 11/25/2011 11:56 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Release of Lucene.Net 2.9.4-incubating-RC3
Well, fine, I am happy to +1.
On
Ross is 100% in identifying mentors as critical to a smooth release.
More specifically, mentors familiar with what a project is likely to
face in an Incubator vote.
I'm sorry to say that I was an AWOL mentor for the first 5 RCs. I
still wouldn't have anticipated the objections from the IPMC that-
OK, I'm sorry, but leviadocs??!!
I'll buy you a beer for that AWESOME word :-) BTW, I agree with all
of your points below, dude. In fact, to add to them, I would suggest
my approach is simply what i learned from Justin, Jukka, Joe S. and
others -- teach the project how to build community, to
I did not see anyone say RTFM, did you? As I have repeatedly said,
the documentation is just as much to keep the IPMC in line as it is
to keep our podlings. And yes we do need to distinguish between
teaching podlings best practices, which can be done over time,
and performing policy enforcement,
On 28 November 2011 00:46, Chris Douglas cdoug...@apache.org wrote:
I reject the RTFM
suggestion as trolling.
I never aid RTFM. I said the documentation in conjunction with mentors guidance.
I also said the documentation needs work and asked for specific
pointers as to where.
Furthermore I
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
I did not see anyone say RTFM, did you?
That's how I read Ross's account of the Rave project (mentor pointed
to the docs, RM read them, monthly releases bloomed). I don't think
that was an ungenerous reading, but
I suggest we discuss documentation work right here. It will be a welcome
change to discuss our work instead of simply our opinions.
- Original Message -
From: Chris Douglas cdoug...@apache.org
To: general@incubator.apache.org; Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com
Cc:
On 28 November 2011 02:01, Chris Douglas cdoug...@apache.org wrote:
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
I did not see anyone say RTFM, did you?
That's how I read Ross's account of the Rave project (mentor pointed
to the docs, RM read them, monthly
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
I think you missed a very important part of what I said, let me quote
the para you refer to:
[snip]
My point is we can't expect the mentors to type everything over and
over again for every podling, that's why we
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 10:25 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 8:41 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com
wrote:
...Let's see if we can find a small group of members of the IPMC who are,
in fact, willing to take seriously the task of
On Sunday, November 27, 2011 4:37 PM, Benson Margulies
bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
So could we please treat this thread as CLOSED? If you want to plan a
palace coup, why not start a new thread?
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