Re: PMC chair vs. reorg proposals

2012-02-05 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 11:08 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: I find it unfortunate that the PMC chair nominations got turned into a debate about the future of the Incubator, especially when the original reason to consider a new chair were fairly minor issues in timely handling

Re: too much traffic here

2012-02-05 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 7:47 PM, Doug Cutting cutt...@apache.org wrote: On 02/04/2012 09:15 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: We both care about this stuff, which is why we keep replying. I'm happy to continue to reply, so long as you are when I feel it's warranted. I've ignored a few of them

Re: PMC chair vs. reorg proposals

2012-02-05 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 8:22 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: On 2/5/2012 10:20 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: No. With all respect for Noel - we have discussed this multiple times now. There is a need for a change because some administrative stuff was delayed

Re: PMC chair vs. reorg proposals

2012-02-05 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 9:04 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: On 2/5/2012 1:40 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: Just to set the record straight and get out of the way, *my* position is that I do not feel particularly qualified to lead the charge in presiding over the disassembly

Re: Request to join IPMC

2012-02-03 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Hello Raymond, i forwarded your request to the ipmc private list. Currently there is much discussion going on on various topics so your question might be overseen here. Besides that, you are right, as a Member you can join on request and yes, you need to join the IPMC to mentor a project. It is

Re: TL;DR

2012-02-03 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 12:17 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: One way to make the load lighter is to try to make one decision at a time. Entirely selfishly, I suggest looking at the chair election first. +1 Too many loose ends - we need to get something done now. I have

Time to vote the chair?

2012-02-02 Thread Christian Grobmeier
We have discussed many things the past days, I think we need to get towards some results. Imho it was enough time to propose new incubator chair candidates. So far we have nominations for Noel, Benson and Chris M. Should we do the vote now? How is the process for voting a chair when having

Re: Time to vote the chair?

2012-02-02 Thread Christian Grobmeier
have one. +1 From: Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com To: general@incubator.apache.org Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2012 1:50 PM Subject: Re: Time to vote the chair? On Feb 2, 2012, at 4:52 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: We have discussed many things

Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-01 Thread Christian Grobmeier
We have already 2 good nominations for the IPMC chair role, Noel and Benson. I would like add a new name and nominate Chris Mattman as the IPMC chair. He does care deeply on the incubator and expresses my feelings in many ways. In addition he is a damn nice guy with many ideas. Cheers Christian

Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-01 Thread Christian Grobmeier
are not possible at one time. On Feb 1, 2012, at 6:17 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: We have already 2 good nominations for the IPMC chair role, Noel and Benson. I would like add a new name and nominate Chris Mattman as the IPMC chair. He does care deeply on the incubator

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-31 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 31 January 2012 00:06, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: It is clear that with all the turmoil of late and people lightly tossing around -1's that the notion of having veto authority over personnel

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-31 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 9:52 PM, Doug Cutting cutt...@apache.org wrote: On 01/30/2012 05:12 PM, Greg Stein wrote: I've never liked vetoes for this. One person can hold an entire PMC hostage simply for disliking someone (or worse: subtle corporate concerns masked otherwise). People have said in

Re: Questions for projects

2012-01-30 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Jukka, what you currently do in the incubator is just an amazing job. I would have nominated you for serving as an incubator chair, but it seems another project has already got you. As I can not nominate you, I need to say that your work here is great. Thanks. Cheers Christian On Mon, Jan 30,

Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair

2012-01-29 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote: On Jan 29, 2012, at 12:00 PM, Deepal jayasinghe wrote: If he has not resigned, why do we have this vote (or why started this vote) ? forcing him to resign ? Because it is very poor practice, IMO, to just keep the

Re: [DISCUSSION] Regular rotation PMC chair

2012-01-29 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 9:37 PM, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote: On Jan 29, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote: On Jan 29, 2012, at 6:18 AM, Ate Douma wrote: FTR: as should be clear from my

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenNLP as a TLP

2012-01-22 Thread Christian Grobmeier
+1 looks good. Have fun! On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Jörn Kottmann kottm...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone, the OpenNLP community has voted to graduate and requests that the IPMC vote on recommending this resolution to the ASF Board. Community graduation vote:

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an incubation coordinator

2012-01-18 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: ...I'll update http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Champion accordingly Done in

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an incubation coordinator

2012-01-18 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: ...I'll update http://incubator.apache.org

Re: Wave fundraising

2012-01-18 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Thats right. I will suggest that On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 12:10 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: ...This is now the site: http://www.fundwiab.com I think this is pretty fine

Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an incubation coordinator

2012-01-17 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 11:15 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: I doubt writing some more documentation on some webpage about yet another set of responsibilities for yet another role will make a material difference to anyone's behavior.  Under Noel we have run the Incubator as a

Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an incubation coordinator

2012-01-17 Thread Christian Grobmeier
. From: Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com To: general@incubator.apache.org; Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an incubation coordinator On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 11:15 PM, Joe Schaefer

Cleanup after graduation.... mailinglists?

2012-01-16 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Hello, ognl has left the incubator before a while but it seems there are incubator ognl mailinglists there. Do they need to be closed after graduation? Cheers Christian -- http://www.grobmeier.de https://www.timeandbill.de -

Re: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1 on this months board report (was: Small but otherwise happy podlings)]

2012-01-15 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com To: general@incubator.apache.org Cc: Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 12:01 PM Subject: Re: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1 on this months board report (was:

[jira] [Commented] (PODLINGNAMESEARCH-4) Establish Whether Apache Creadur would be a Suitable Name

2012-01-15 Thread Christian Grobmeier (Commented) (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-4?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=13186587#comment-13186587 ] Christian Grobmeier commented on PODLINGNAMESEARCH-4

Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an incubation coordinator

2012-01-12 Thread Christian Grobmeier
+1 here is then some update needed too (i think): http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Process_Description.html On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: Hi Incubator PMC, Here's the result of discussions that took place around Christmas - the goal

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache ODF Toolkit 0.5-incubating(RC7)

2012-01-11 Thread Christian Grobmeier
+1 (binding) Checked sigs, looked at the artifacts, all well Cheers! Christian 2012/1/9 Devin Han devin...@apache.org: Hi all, The ODF Toolkit 0.5 is ready for release.  This will be our first incubator release. We had a preliminary vote in the PPMC, which had great results, including a +1

Re: [VOTE] Recommend graduating Apache Bean-Validation (BVAL) as a TLP

2012-01-08 Thread Christian Grobmeier
+1 good luck!! On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 10:04 PM, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de wrote: Dear IPMC, dear Community! The Apache Bean-Validation project provides an ALv2 licensed implementation of the JSR-303 Bean Validation Specification and would like to start a VOTE on graduating as a

Re: Incubator report reminders sent for Jan 2012

2012-01-01 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Something is wrong with the dates of Marvin. On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 2:59 PM, Marvin no-re...@apache.org wrote: The next board meeting is scheduled for Wed, 19 December 2012, 10:00:00 PST. I have just sent reminder emails to the below addresses, requesting them to supply board reports 2 weeks

Re: [VOTE] DeltaSpike to join the Incubator

2011-12-05 Thread Christian Grobmeier
+1 (binding) Good luck! On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Gerhard Petracek gpetra...@apache.org wrote: Hello, Please vote on the acceptance of DeltaSpike into the Apache Incubator. The proposal is available at [1] and its content is also included below for your convenience. Please vote:

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache DeltaSpike - CDI-Extensions project

2011-11-30 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Wow, exciting proposal. Curious if infra is already accepting git for this podling. Have your reached out to them already? On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:40 AM, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de wrote: Hi! JBoss, The Apache MyFaces CODI team and CDISource would like to propose the Apache

Re: [POLL] Suitable Name Search: Drop Or Retain?

2011-11-30 Thread Christian Grobmeier
+1 On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: There has been concerns expressed about accumulation of rules without pruning. In that spirit, I'd like to find out whether the community feels that dropping the rule would be better than revising it

Re: [POLL] Suitable Name Search: Drop Or Retain?

2011-11-30 Thread Christian Grobmeier
I am sorry, didn't see the poll options. Thought it was just a heads up if this needs to be changed. [X] Drop Suitable Name Search Cheers On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme

Step down as a mentor / Need replacement for Zeta podling

2011-11-28 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Hello all, I urgently need to remove some of my workload. Therefore I have decided remove myself from any political debattes of the ASF. In addition I have currently less fun in mentoring projects and need to step back or go to idle mode which is affecting the incubator. I have told the ooo

Zeta Components looking for a new mentor

2011-11-28 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Hello, as I intend to step down as a mentor from Zeta Components, there are only two mentors left. So this podling needs one more. Who is willing to help out? Cheers Christian -- http://www.grobmeier.de https://www.timeandbill.de

Re: Does Apache Have a 'Rule' Problem, or does the Incubator sometimes just make it look that way?

2011-11-27 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: snip On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 9:38 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: I do acknowledge that it can be really hard to get some things changed and you may need a thick skin and lots of

Re: Rebooting the Incubator? (was: Does Apache Have a 'Rule' Problem...)

2011-11-27 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 10:25 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 8:41 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: ...Let's see if we can find a small group of members of the IPMC who are, in fact, willing to take seriously the task of

Re: Does Apache Have a 'Rule' Problem, or does the Incubator sometimes just make it look that way?

2011-11-26 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: +1 And while we are at it, reduce Roles and Rules to a minimum. Pruning is always useful but when the Incubator ran with fewer rules and roles, the process ran much less smoothly which took much more

Re: [SITE] Champion documentation

2011-11-24 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 12:00 AM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 November 2011 22:39, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 8:05 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: Also, it would make sense to publish the name of the champion in the listing of podlings: http

Re: [PROPOSAL] Clarify the role of the Champion as an incubation coordinator (was: should podlings have informal chairs?)

2011-11-24 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:55 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: ...I think the Champion should be an ASF mentor, which I believe to be consistent with my interpretation of the

Re: [SITE] Champion documentation

2011-11-24 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 12:52 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 24 November 2011 11:34, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 12:00 AM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 November 2011 22:39, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 23, 2011

Re: Does Apache Have a 'Rule' Problem, or does the Incubator sometimes just make it look that way?

2011-11-24 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Thursday, November 24, 2011, Benson Margulies wrote: ...Someone poses a question about NOTICE files, or IP, or release structure. If they are lucky, they get 3 disagreeing responses in short order... ROFL

Re: [PROPOSAL] Clarify the role of the Champion as an incubation coordinator (was: should podlings have informal chairs?)

2011-11-23 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Nov 23, 2011 8:12 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: I can already hear the questions: Can I serve as a Champion, I am

Re: [PROPOSAL] Clarify the role of the Champion as an incubation coordinator (was: should podlings have informal chairs?)

2011-11-23 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: 3. The Champion is not necessarily a mentor. Ah now I know what confused me. A Champion is not necessarily a mentor - but he should be either on the IPMC, a Officer or a Member, right? A Champion cannot be

Re: [SITE] Champion documentation

2011-11-23 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 8:05 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: Given the expansion in the Champion role that is being proposed, I think it would make sense to include an entry for the champion role in podlings.xml. +1 Also, it would make sense to publish the name of the champion in the

Re: should podlings have informal chairs?

2011-11-22 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 2:03 AM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: To me a lot of the problem stems from the fact that the reports are misdirected- instead of informing the board about the activities of the IPMC, it tells them about the podling's activities, which doesn't scale

Re: [PROPOSAL] Clarify the role of the Champion as an incubation coordinator (was: should podlings have informal chairs?)

2011-11-22 Thread Christian Grobmeier
+1 on everything, just a few comments... On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: 3. The Champion is not necessarily a mentor. Not sure if that actually makes sense. I think a Champion is a mentor by default somehow 4. The podling can elect a new

Re: Incubator Status

2011-11-21 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Which project are you speaking about? This is the general list at which mich projects are discussed On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 8:07 PM, Michael Kelleher mj.kelle...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a plan for promoting this project to top level status?  If so, is there a projected timeline? I would

Re: should podlings have informal chairs?

2011-11-21 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Saturday, November 19, 2011, Brett Porter wrote: ...Should we appoint one of the mentors at the start to be the chair of the PPMC, in the same way as a full project? I would see them as responsible for

Re: should podlings have informal chairs?

2011-11-21 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 2:39 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: We also don't always document the Champion - it is on the initial proposal, but only some status pages seem to include the information. Perhaps we should require it in podlings.xml? [1]

Re: should podlings have informal chairs?

2011-11-21 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 3:53 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 21 November 2011 13:54, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 2:39 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: If we agree that the Champion will have this new responsibility then I think we should add

Re: should podlings have informal chairs?

2011-11-21 Thread Christian Grobmeier
It was a *huge* discussion in which incubator fellows explained me the sense of Champion. On 21 November 2011 15:08, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 3:53 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 21 November 2011 13:54, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote

Re: should podlings have informal chairs?

2011-11-21 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 4:38 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: Currently it reads: drive the process of incubation forwards which finally leads to an acceptance vote The problem is that process of incubation can mean more than just entering the Incubator, and acceptance could refer to

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2011-11-20 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: Looking at the current list of projects, we have many that exceed that number.  Far exceed that number.  In fact the median age is 416 days and the

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2011-11-20 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din nour.moham...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.comwrote:  http://people.apache.org/~rubys/incubator-by-age I think there are more tools like this around... i think it makes sense

Missing reports (was: Re: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2011-11-16 Thread Christian Grobmeier
This time were 7 reports missed (leaving out S4): On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 5:41 AM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote: Amber HISE Kalumet Lucene.NET NPanday Zeta Components Stonehenge SHOULD BE RETIRED. I am a Mentor of Zeta. This time I have not had the time to push the report. A

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2011-11-16 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:41 PM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote: Excellent plot chart.  As with most plot charts, the end result is a Rorschach test.  I'll tell you what I (personally) see in this chart: a failure

Re: Missing reports (was: Re: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2011-11-16 Thread Christian Grobmeier
reminder e-mail that usually comes on the first day of the reporting month. Neither in my inbox nor the dev-list archive. Do you want us to report next month instead? On 2011-11-16 11:57, Christian Grobmeier wrote: This time were 7 reports missed (leaving out S4): On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 5

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2011-11-16 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:57 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: Deltacloud has graduated and can be put off from your list. Rat is discussing graduation and should be moved from the list too. The master

Re: Code donation for JMeter

2011-11-14 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 12:35 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: Just wanted to check what is the procedure for accepting a code donation. A compamy that uses JMeter has produced a plugin that they would like to give to JMeter. I've not seen it yet, but it is apparently about 10 classes written

Re: Code donation for JMeter

2011-11-14 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 1:18 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 November 2011 11:39, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: So what do we need (if anything) before we can accept the code? At least a cooperate cla on file: http://www.apache.org/licenses/cla-corporate.txt I

Re: [VOTE] Retire Olio [Was: Retire Olio?]

2011-11-11 Thread Christian Grobmeier
+1 On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 1:17 AM, Henri Yandell flame...@gmail.com wrote: Coming back to this. It unfortunately seems that there's no (even optimistic) expectation that Olio will graduate. So, voting: [ ] +1 [ ] -1, no because... Hen On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 11:27 PM, William A.

Re: Git to SVN

2011-11-09 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Leo, On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 7:07 PM, Leo Neumeyer leoneume...@gmail.com wrote: cross-posting to incubator in case someone there also had to go through the git to svn migration and can share their experience. I already mentioned you should take a look at this tool from Jukka Zitting;

Re: Git to SVN

2011-11-09 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 7:38 PM, Jeremy Thomerson jer...@thomersonfamily.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: In addition you can ask on wave-dev. They have finally decided to loose history and do an initial checkin because

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduating empire?

2011-11-01 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 10:14 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 11:09 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: ...For projects developed the Apache way, decision making requires 3 binding +1's. Once the electorate population

Re: [VOTE] Release Droids 0.1-incubating RC4

2011-10-31 Thread Christian Grobmeier
I currently look at it. Everything looks good so far, but when running mvn test I get an error: [INFO] Checking for local modifications: skipped. [INFO] Updating project files from SCM: skipped. [INFO] Executing: /bin/sh -c cd /Users/cg/release-checking/droids-0.1.0-incubating svn

Re: [VOTE] Release Droids 0.1-incubating RC4

2011-10-31 Thread Christian Grobmeier
, and that is what is failing. Commenting the plugin out, or changing it to version 1.0 works just fine. Other projects are using that same build of buildnumber-maven-plugin and not having trouble. Not sure why this one is so unique. I've fixed in svn. On 10/31/2011 08:47 AM, Christian Grobmeier

Re: [VOTE] Release Droids 0.1-incubating RC4

2011-10-31 Thread Christian Grobmeier
+1 (binding) On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Richard Frovarp rfrov...@apache.org wrote: Please vote on the release candidate for Apache Droids Incubating, version 0.1-incubating. I've received two binding IPMC +1 votes and 4 non-binding +1 votes. The blockers identified by Marvin and sebb

Re: Website redirects for graduated projects

2011-10-19 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 1:55 AM, David Crossley cross...@apache.org wrote: sebb wrote: The incubator site has an .htaccess file containing redirects for many of the graduated podlings. However, not all graduated podlings are in the file; the following are missing: ... Should redirects be

Re: Website redirects for graduated projects

2011-10-19 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: Going by my experience running Clutch, it is mainly because people do not completely follow the documentation that has evolved for incubation. Not sure why. There is a lot of untidiness after

Re: [callback] Status page

2011-10-18 Thread Christian Grobmeier
AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: I have added a incubation status page: http://incubator.apache.org/projects/callback.html (not avail yet, takes a while to sync). Excellent, thanks

Re: [VOTE] Graduate Deltacloud to TLP

2011-10-18 Thread Christian Grobmeier
+1 Deltacloud looks very healthy to me. Good luck guys! On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 4:42 PM, David Lutterkort lut...@redhat.com wrote: Hi all, as described in the discussion thread[1], the Deltacloud community feels that we are ready to graduate to a top-level Apache project. To that end, I'd

Re: Projects failing to repoirt for October - appropriate actions?

2011-10-18 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 8:01 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 7:05 PM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote: On most months, I have to chase down missing reports. ETCH, HAMA, HCATALOG (managed to do a release, though), KATO, MANIFOLDCF (also managed

Re: Projects failing to repoirt for October - appropriate actions?

2011-10-18 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 7:05 PM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote: On most months, I have to chase down missing reports. ETCH, HAMA, HCATALOG (managed to do a release, though), KATO, MANIFOLDCF (also managed to do a release, though), RAT and WAVE all failed to report this month. RAT

[callback] Status page

2011-10-17 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Hi all, I have added a incubation status page: http://incubator.apache.org/projects/callback.html (not avail yet, takes a while to sync). Lets start with preparations... Jukka you mentioned you wanted to take the initiative and ask for mailinglist etc, right? Thanks Christian --

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache Deltacloud 0.4.1 (incubating)

2011-10-13 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Slowly I begin to understand this is a non-apache package, correct? otherwise I would expect the link to an ASF git mirror instead Yeah, I think we need to tweak the stylesheet. The 'Additional Tools' header doesn't stand out enough, and doesn't make it clear that this is additional stuff,

Re: [SITE] navigation

2011-10-13 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Another reason I don't see the need to change visited link colors is the nature of the docs. I mean they are docs. Do you read docs only one time? Not me, I read it often, it is unnecessary for know where I was already. This is only necesasry if I have the same link pointing to a page a

Re: [SITE] navigation

2011-10-13 Thread Christian Grobmeier
This usability principle is even more important for documentation. OK, and if you do not hit the link but scroll over the content then how do you mark you link visited? Incubator pages are huge, people are scrolling not clicking back and forth just to mark the link visited. So you end up

Re: [SITE] navigation

2011-10-13 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 9:49 AM, David Crossley cross...@apache.org wrote: Here is a solution which should meet the quest for appealing and also meet the quest for usability. It is not complete. This does not make sure how scrolling people change their link color to visited. If two colors,

Re: Interest in Apache beanshell incubation?

2011-10-13 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:14 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 October 2011 21:34, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: Perhaps someone already used to Apache ways, would like to take the lead in an incubation process? I'd certainly be interested in helping as a committer, and could

Re: [SITE] Samples of site with different CSS settings

2011-10-13 Thread Christian Grobmeier
for clutch, adding this CSS works for me:  #clutch .cool1, #clutch .cool1 a { color:white; } See http://dl.dropbox.com/u/715349/tmp/clutch.jpg -Bertrand Very much +1 on what Bertrand suggests Cheers - To unsubscribe,

Re: [SITE] navigation

2011-10-13 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 08:39:40AM +0100, ant elder wrote: I don't want to get in the way of those who are doing all this good work with the website but my 2c's is I also would prefer visited links to have a

Re: [SITE] change to relative links + change to use id for anchors

2011-10-13 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 3:53 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: I think it would be useful to use relative links where possible throughout the Incubator site. Also, by switching to using h2 id=anchor rather than h2a name=anchor will avoid having to distinguish links from anchors, at least in

Re: [SITE] navigation

2011-10-13 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Unfortunately the pdf is not free and so we cannot look what exactly has an impact. Sorry, here is a free link:    http://ix.cs.uoregon.edu/~hornof/downloads/CHI04_Link.pdf Thank you very much, I will read it pretty soon Because, if some links are marked visited, and some - even when read

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation of Deltacloud to TLP

2011-10-13 Thread Christian Grobmeier
I have not much clue on the legals below, but what I read the past days makes me feel like Deltacloud is ready to graduate. Cheers On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:03 AM, David Lutterkort lut...@redhat.com wrote: Hi all, the Deltacloud community and mentors feel that we are ready to graduate to a

Re: Clutch blue-green background colour obscures entries

2011-10-12 Thread Christian Grobmeier
http://people.apache.org/~sebb/clutch.html#clutch OK to change that? This colour scheme was carefully chosen to assist with colour-blindness. I have been meaning to find the old discussion and development here about that, and add to Clutch notes. It used to have decent contrast for the

Re: Clutch blue-green background colour obscures entries

2011-10-12 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Finally the wonderful bootstrap css is destroyed: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/committer.html I do not agree to changing the colors of visited links. The headings now have a different line-height and look pretty ugly (see Mailing lists heading). Heading were bold before, and I think we

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache Deltacloud 0.4.1 (incubating)

2011-10-12 Thread Christian Grobmeier
David, congratulations to the new release. Just a comment I cannot see the new release on the website: http://incubator.apache.org/deltacloud/ Should't it be updated together with the release? Then I think it is not very good to send the /dist folder link around, because to my knowledge it

Re: Interest in Apache beanshell incubation?

2011-10-12 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Wow, many cool stuff coming to apache recently. Hopefully there are some mentors out there. I have hands full with open source work already. Cheers Christian On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 10:34 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: (Sorry for crossposting for this time, please redirect any

Re: Clutch blue-green background colour obscures entries

2011-10-12 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Will respond to rest later Can we change that again, please? Perhaps the earlier suggestion of creating a branch to test out the new formatting would now be useful. +1 If this is stored on p.a.o in a personal directory, we can try different settings very quickly. +1 Cheers Thanks,

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache Deltacloud 0.4.1 (incubating)

2011-10-12 Thread Christian Grobmeier
David, At your website: http://incubator.apache.org/deltacloud/download.html I read nothing of how to get the release. Instead I am send to fedorahost for the code. The very first link (Official releases can be downloaded from the Apache website) on that page goes to

Re: [SITE] Split projects/index.html

2011-10-11 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 4:50 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: The podling status sumnmary page currently contains details of all podlings, past and present. It's already quite long, and it is going to get longer and longer. Would it be sensible to split the page, perhaps into one page for

Re: New bootstrap CSS messes up display of all internal name definitions

2011-10-11 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:50 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: The new CSS changes the default setting for links, by removing underlines unless the mouse hovers over the link. However, this has broken all the internal name definitions. These now look like links - they are blue, and get

Re: New bootstrap CSS messes up display of all internal name definitions

2011-10-11 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 10:39 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 October 2011 20:59, Francis De Brabandere franci...@gmail.com wrote: Should be possible as described here: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/selector.html#attribute-selectors not sure on browser compatibility though Thanks very

Re: New bootstrap CSS messes up display of all internal name definitions

2011-10-11 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Is there any reason why we should not format: h2 a {  text-decoration: none;  color: black; } Would need to be applied to h3 etc as well. h2 a, h3 a, h4 a, h5 a {  text-decoration: none;  color: black; } It would also hide links in headings (if there are any) Have not found a single

Re: New bootstrap CSS messes up display of all internal name definitions

2011-10-11 Thread Christian Grobmeier
h2 a, h3 a, h4 a, h5 a {  text-decoration: none;  color: black; } It would also hide links in headings (if there are any) Have not found a single one. Besides, it would be really nasty to put links into headings imho It's not just ones in headings that are affected; any instance of a

Re: New bootstrap CSS messes up display of all internal name definitions

2011-10-11 Thread Christian Grobmeier
The ones I noticed were in headings, but there could now (or in the future) be other instances that are not in headings. well, I *hope* this will not be the case. Otherwise there will be exceptions on the page which finally leads into chaos. Not sure I follow. No worries, my comment was

Re: [VOTE] Accept Apache Callback for incubation

2011-10-11 Thread Christian Grobmeier
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Re: [DISCUSS] Layout change - remove the right table

2011-10-10 Thread Christian Grobmeier
However, we could easily convert to JSON for the published version of the file. Transformation to both formats are possible of course It's really a question of which format is easiest to maintain. XML of course. Although JSON is simpler, it does not allow comments AFAIK, which I think

Re: [DISCUSS] Layout change - remove the right table

2011-10-10 Thread Christian Grobmeier
That would probably be fine - I'd like to see it before endorsing it fully. It would have been better to do it in a branch. Agreed. Actually there was so less comments (most of them positive) that I didn't think about a branch. The current half-finished changes have made it difficult for

Re: [DISCUSS] Layout change - remove the right table

2011-10-10 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 4:58 AM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 October 2011 02:02, David Crossley cross...@apache.org wrote: sebb wrote: Christian Grobmeier wrote: I've not started looking at generating projects/index.xml yet. Reading the past mails shows me you are +1 to commit

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