Re: Making up policy on the fly

On Aug 19, 2009, at 12:52 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: How's this for writing down the rules: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html#best-practice-license I'd rearrange the wording of the second paragraph: All the licenses on all the files to be included within the package

Re: Making up policy on the fly

On Aug 19, 2009, at 11:17 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote: - Original Message From: Ted Leung To: general@incubator.apache.org Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:06:08 PM Subject: Re: Making up policy on the fly On Aug 19, 2009, at 10:49 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote: when we can't even

Re: Making up policy on the fly

On Aug 19, 2009, at 10:49 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote: when we can't even agree / document what that *right* way is. We who? Robert has done an outstanding job of documenting what the right way is. The only people who can't agree to it are people who refuse to acknowledge his work on this is

Re: Making up policy on the fly

On Aug 19, 2009, at 10:01 AM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Exactly. The incubator enforces Best Practices even when these are poorly documented or incomplete, and discusses why they should be normalized. And how is this PMC supposed to enforce something which might be incomplete or contra

Re: Making up policy on the fly

On Aug 19, 2009, at 12:23 AM, Bernd Fondermann wrote: Anyone who easily gets frustrated with objections and confrontations should not be here at the Incubator anyway, that's my advice. I'm disappointed by this attitude. We should not be giving podlings a pass on violations of policy. Bu

Re: [VOTE] Graduate CouchDB as TLP (Was: Re: Asking for Feedback: CouchDB Graduation)

On Nov 8, 2008, at 6:17 AM, Jan Lehnardt wrote: Dear Incubator General List, dear IPMC, thank you all for your comments on whether CouchDB should graduate from the Incubator to a top level project. I think we have your support. On behalf of the Apache CouchDB PPMC I am now calling a vote:

Re: Asking for Feedback: CouchDB Graduation

On Nov 3, 2008, at 4:53 PM, Niall Pemberton wrote: I haven't been following CouchDB but a PMC of five seems small - you only have to loose a couple of people and you're on the verge of not being a viable project. I took a look through the lists and from what I can see CouchDB entered incubation

Re: Asking for Feedback: CouchDB Graduation

On Nov 4, 2008, at 5:15 AM, Jan Lehnardt wrote: Ted, I patched the couchdb.xml project file (http://friendpaste.com/ebk8csvC ) and updated the committer & mentor lists; can you commit? In addition, it looks that some of the dates in the "work items" section are missing. How to go about

Re: [VOTE][RESULT] Graduate CouchDB from Incubation

On Oct 19, 2008, at 5:58 AM, Christopher Lenz wrote: On 19.10.2008, at 08:20, Ted Leung wrote: Ok, so here are the results of the vote. There were only +1 votes cast, and all the committers, as well as all the mentors voted in favor of graduation. +1 votes Ted Leung (binding, mentor

[VOTE][RESULT] Graduate CouchDB from Incubation

Ok, so here are the results of the vote. There were only +1 votes cast, and all the committers, as well as all the mentors voted in favor of graduation. +1 votes Ted Leung (binding, mentor) Gianugo Rabellion (binding, mentor) Damien Katz (binding) Jacob Torrey Jan Lenhardt (binding) Johan

Re: [VOTE] Apache CouchDB 0.8.1-incubating release

+1 On Aug 13, 2008, at 10:12 AM, Noah Slater wrote: Hello, The community has approved a release of Apache CouchDB 0.8.1- incubating. Pursuant to the Releases section of the Incubation Policy we would now like to request the approval of the Incubator PMC to make the release. Release prop

Re: [VOTE] Apache CouchDB 0.8.0-incubating release

On Jun 23, 2008, at 12:28 PM, Noah Slater wrote: On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 12:22:03PM -0700, Ted Leung wrote: I was on vacation all of last week, which is why I didn't vote. I did give you feedback about the initial tarball, which was missing a NOTICEs file. I apologise for th

Re: [VOTE] Apache CouchDB 0.8.0-incubating release

On Jun 20, 2008, at 7:37 AM, Noah Slater wrote: Hello, This is the first release under the patronage of the ASF Incubator. The community has voted on and approved a proposal to release 0.8.0- incubating. Unfortunately, we did not have any votes or feedback from our mentors. I was on vacat

CouchDB Mailing lists are now available

The CouchDB mailing lists are now available. You can subscribe by sending messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ted On Feb 17, 2008, at 10:16 PM, Ted Leung wrote: Hi Jan, All new committers for CouchDB should read this: incubator.apache.org/guides

Re: [VOTE] Accept CouchDB for incubation - PASSED!

Hi Jan, All new committers for CouchDB should read this: incubator.apache.org/guides/committer.html> and if you have not submitted a Contributor License agreement, you should do so as quickly as possible so that we can get your accounts created www.apache.org/dev/new-committers-guide.html#cl

Re: [VOTE] Accept CouchDB for incubation

D]> === Nominated Mentors === * Jim Jagielski * Gianugo Rabellino * Ted Leung === Sponsoring Entity === The Apache Incubator - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-m

Re: [DISCUSS] CouchDB incubator project

+1 I am interested in mentoring if needed. Ted On Jan 31, 2008, at 7:40 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: The original source for this proposal can be found at http://www.couchdbwiki.com/index.php?title=Apache_Incubator_Proposal and a current snapshot is attached below. Once we have established that t

Re: [VOTE] Retire Heraldry from incubation

+1 to retire On Jun 1, 2007, at 2:15 AM, J Aaron Farr wrote: This is a vote to move the Heraldry project from active incubation to 'retired' status. Earlier this year the Heraldry project was reorganized in order to make another attempt at incubating an OpenID project. Unfortunately, the rec

[RESULT] Accept Revised Heraldry ACL

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 30, 2007, at 5:30 PM, Ted Leung wrote: We've had plenty of time for discussion on this, so I'd like to have a vote on accepting a new committers ACL for the Heraldry podling. This set of committers, along with the mentors wil

Re: Next things after Heraldry ACL

+1 to everything Bill said. On Mar 31, 2007, at 2:35 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Gav wrote: From: William A. Rowe, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I believe we identified several more interested parties who simply need to show some sustained contribution. Which wont happen until

[VOTE] Accept Revised Heraldry ACL

and submit that to the Incubator PMC for approval The new ACL list will include: David Recordon (recordond) Johannes Ernst (jernst) Matt Pelletier (mattpelletier) Dan Quellhorst (quellhorst) The set of mentors for Heraldry is now: Aaron Farr Ted Leung Bill Rowe [ ] +1 accept the new Heraldry AC

Re: please keep [VOTE] for [VOTE]s (was: Re: [VOTE] Revised Heraldry commit ACL)

This was my bad. I wrote the subject line first and then the content ended up not matching. Ted On Mar 28, 2007, at 3:29 AM, Leo Simons wrote: Oi! On Mar 21, 2007, at 6:19 AM, Ted Leung wrote: So I'm bringing this back to the Incubator PMC for discussion and ultimately, a vote

Re: Revised Heraldry commit ACL

On Mar 28, 2007, at 8:06 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Gav wrote: Would you add those four, pending CLAs as necessary? So a starting Community of 7, again pending CLAs. More like a community of 4. A 'community' includes those on the dev list, not just committers/ pmc. True enough. :-)

Re: [VOTE] Revised Heraldry commit ACL

On Mar 26, 2007, at 11:13 PM, J Aaron Farr wrote: Ted Leung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I would also point out that I am currently the only mentor for Heraldry, and I'm not willing to continue without some other people jumping in to help. When I originally agreed to mentor Heraldr

Re: [VOTE] Revised Heraldry commit ACL

On Mar 26, 2007, at 3:39 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Ted, Thanks for clarifying. So 4 and perhps 3 more to watch. Sounds fine to me. Is Paul Q willing to come back now? I've not heard a peep from Paul. I've only heard through other people that he was coming back. But Aaron is willing

Re: [VOTE] Revised Heraldry commit ACL

On Mar 26, 2007, at 7:42 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Ted, The list of David Recordon (recordond) Johannes Ernst (jernst) Matt Pelletier (mattpelletier) is a start. I'll also suggest that they be the core of the revised PPMC for Heraldry. However ... Other committers to Ruby PIP are:

Re: [VOTE] Revised Heraldry commit ACL

On Mar 21, 2007, at 4:19 AM, Yoav Shapira wrote: Hi, On 3/21/07, Ted Leung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I would also point out that I am currently the only mentor for Heraldry, and I'm not willing to continue without some other people jumping in to help. When I originally agree

[VOTE] Revised Heraldry commit ACL

would also point out that I am currently the only mentor for Heraldry, and I'm not willing to continue without some other people jumping in to help. When I originally agreed to mentor Heraldry, I did it thinking that I was one of three mentors. Ted On Mar 13, 2007, at 10:28 PM, Ted

Re: [VOTE] Should we treat incubator releases differently to normal releases

On Mar 15, 2007, at 6:23 PM, Henri Yandell wrote: Two parts to the vote: ONE: Should Incubator tarballs go in the normal place (and thus mirrors). [ ] +1 [ X ] -1 TWO: Should there be an Incubator maven repository. [ X] +1 [ ] -1 People need incentives to get out of the incubator. Esp

Re: [VOTE] TripleSoup - a SPARQL endpoint for httpd

+1 On Feb 2, 2007, at 12:17 AM, Leo Simons wrote: Hi all, This is a vote on a previously posted proposal to start a rdf database server project at apache. The entire proposal text is included below. There is only one change from the one posted to the [proposal] thread -- we will start wi

Re: Board response to January Report on Heraldry

On Jan 29, 2007, at 10:49 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: The ASF Board, by Cliff Schmidt, wrote: The report on Heraldry mentions a "single large block checkin" Two large block check-ins in January. One for python, one for ruby. It seems as if most of the development is happening off-line a

Re: [VOTE] Graduate Harmony to TLP status (pending board approval)

+1 On Oct 24, 2006, at 4:02 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: The Apache Harmony community has voted to request graduation from the Incubator as a TLP. The following votes have been reco

[jira] Created: (INCUBATOR-48) remove nameprotect from

remove nameprotect from Key: INCUBATOR-48 URL: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-48 Project: Incubator Issue Type: Bug Components: site Reporter: Ted Leung Since nameprotect now

Re: Incubator Lightning Talks at ApacheCon US?

I'm in favor of 5 minute sessions. I'll be happy to talk about Heraldry. On Sep 6, 2006, at 1:14 AM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: Hiya everyone, At ApacheCon US in Austin next month, we're scheduled to have a two- hour block for "Incubator Lightning Talks." (Thursday 4:30-6:30pm) This time

Heraldry committers left off of initial proposal

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've been told that three contributors to the various Heraldry code bases were accidentallly omitted from the Heraldlry proposal: Kevin Turner: kevin at janrain.com Dag Arneson: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Grant Monroe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] These folks are or

Heraldry lists are now available

Many thanks to Justin Erenkrantz for creating the mailing lists for Heraldry. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - this is the main list for the developer community [EMAIL PROTECTED] - the notification for subversion commits -- all heraldry committers should subscribe to

Re: [VOTE][RESULT] Incubator PMC to accept Heraldry project for incubation

My apologies -- I only counted replies to the vote that I called for on Tuesday. Always good to have more +1's. Ted On Jul 14, 2006, at 5:12 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: You miscount. I voted +1 weeks ago. Ted Leung wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Based o

[VOTE][RESULT] Incubator PMC to accept Heraldry project for incubation

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Based on the following votes (nine of which were cast by PMC members), the Heraldry proposal <http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ HeraldryIdentityProposal> has been accepted for incubation under the sponsorship of the Incubator PMC. Ted

Re: Mentors - the more, the merrier? [WAS Re: [VOTE] Accept Heraldry into the Incubator]

On Jul 14, 2006, at 10:51 AM, David Blevins wrote: I have the gut feeling there is something we can do to marry these concerns, as my primary concern is how the incubation ends. I.e. I think there should be an opportunity before incubation ends to learn to function *with* that person and

Re: Mentors - the more, the merrier? [WAS Re: [VOTE] Accept Heraldry into the Incubator]

On Jul 13, 2006, at 7:23 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Ted Leung wrote: I don't know that I agree completely with you about the role of PMC Chairs - sometimes a good PMC chair helps a project quite a bit As the Chair? Or as a recognized leader by his or her peers based upon the w

Re: Mentors - the more, the merrier? [WAS Re: [VOTE] Accept Heraldry into the Incubator]

On Jul 13, 2006, at 7:16 PM, David Blevins wrote: In the ASF we do have PMC Chairs, period. Now let's say, someone wins this debate on wether or not having a PMC Chair from inside or outside the project is more or less likely to result in dependence. I'm not of the opinion that we shouldn

Re: Mentors - the more, the merrier? [WAS Re: [VOTE] Accept Heraldry into the Incubator]

On Jul 13, 2006, at 5:41 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: How hard is it to understand that the PMC Chair has no role (slight hyperbole)? If the PMC Chair is a visible role, the community is already in trouble. The only role that a PMC Chair normally fills is getting the quarterly report filed.

Re: Mentors - the more, the merrier? [WAS Re: [VOTE] Accept Heraldry into the Incubator]

On Jul 13, 2006, at 1:40 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: I just want to note that we don't have a requirement that chairs be members. I thought I recalled a rule that mentors had to be members, but I can't quickly find confirmation of that. Yep, I was the XML PMC chair for several years and not a mem

Re: Mentors - the more, the merrier? [WAS Re: [VOTE] Accept Heraldry into the Incubator]

On Jul 12, 2006, at 10:39 AM, robert burrell donkin wrote: On 7/11/06, Geir Magnusson Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: (And I'll note now that I'm interested in participating, although can't commit the time to be a mentor right now.) this seems like a good opportunity to reintroduce an exi

Re: Acceptance Vote Duration? [WAS Re: [VOTE] Accept Heraldry into the Incubator]

On Jul 11, 2006, at 10:57 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: I guess the bigger question is whether we ought to change the 72 hour guideline for the foundation as a whole, or make incuabator votes a clearly noted exception. We should use our judgment to ensure a collaborative environment without un

Re: Acceptance Vote Duration? [WAS Re: [VOTE] Accept Heraldry into the Incubator]

On Jul 11, 2006, at 7:02 AM, Leo Simons wrote: On Tue, Jul 11, 2006 at 12:50:44PM +0100, robert burrell donkin wrote: On 7/10/06, robert burrell donkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 7/10/06, Ted Leung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In keeping with Apache practice, I'd like

[VOTE] Accept Heraldry into the Incubator

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[VOTE] Accept Heraldry into the Incubator

chill ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) * Trotter Cashion ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) * Wil Tan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) = Apache Sponsor = We respectfully request that the Incubator PMC sponsor this project. = Apache Champion = Ben Laurie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) – Champion and Mentor[[BR]] Paul Querna (pquerna apach

Re: [Feedback] Heraldry Proposal

I am interested in being a mentor for Heraldry. Ted On Jul 4, 2006, at 3:27 AM, Recordon, David wrote: It would be great if everyone could take another look at the Heraldry proposal (http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ HeraldryIdentityProposal) now that ApacheCon is over and we've worked to inc

Re: Branding of Incubator projects

+1 On Jun 29, 2006, at 3:11 AM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: We have had way way way too many problems with podlings seeking publicity when they had no code yet. Kabuki is just the latest example - right after being accepted, IBM/Zimbra issued a PR - but they then silently went away after getting

Re: Initial draft of committer policy

Nuts. This obviously went to the wrong list. Sorry for the spam. Ted On Feb 16, 2006, at 5:39 PM, Ted Leung wrote: Hi all, We are getting to the point of needing to grant commit privileges for some of the projects at OSAF. This is a first cut at describing how the process should work

Initial draft of committer policy

Hi all, We are getting to the point of needing to grant commit privileges for some of the projects at OSAF. This is a first cut at describing how the process should work for code committers. In the future we will probably extend this notion to design contributors as well, but we are s

Re: ajax proposal?

On Jan 23, 2006, at 4:38 AM, Raphaël Luta wrote: XMLBeans had only 1 member/committer from the beginning but not affiliated with the sponsor. Steven Noels and I were the ASF members involved with XMLBeans and neither of us was employed by BEA. The initial list of committers included 3

Re: Is the incubator out of control?

On Dec 21, 2005, at 12:57 PM, Roy T. Fielding wrote: On Dec 21, 2005, at 11:04 AM, Ted Leung wrote: How is this possible when any other PMC can vote to bring a project in without approval of the incubator PMC? Just look at the raft of projects being brought in via Geronimo and the WS

Re: Is the incubator out of control?

On Dec 21, 2005, at 8:22 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: The merits of the particular proposal aside We should always be judging the merits of each proposal. Failing to do so might well be part of the problem. How is this possible when any other PMC can vote to bring a project in without

Re: Is the incubator out of control?

On Dec 21, 2005, at 9:18 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Jim Jagielski wrote: There is one thing that I think would be useful in helping: That the Incubator PMC take an active role in accepting new projects. Normally, if the Sponsor says "Yes" a vote isn't even taken on the Incubator side. I think

Re: [VOTE] @domain for Incubator mailing lists

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Re: AJAX Toolkit Framework Proposal

On Dec 20, 2005, at 12:19 PM, Sylvain Wallez wrote: Sam Ruby wrote: Sylvain Wallez wrote: As a general rule, the ASF doesn't go out "inviting", people within the ASF either start a new project, or projects come to us. You're playing with words. Sure, there's no formal invitation process

Re: AJAX Toolkit Framework Proposal

toolkit displace a really good one, just because the so-so one came to the incubator and the other one didn't. I haven't looked at the code in question and I'm not a Javascript expert by any means. But if Martin's analysis of the codebase is correct, then I&#

Is the incubator out of control?

ibly low bar for access to the Apache brand name, and this is a bad thing. Corporations see the value of the brand name, that's why they want to come here and are willing to put up with all our overhead. Ted Leung Blog: <http://www.sauria.com/blog>

Re: incubating jabberd2?

dio.org/2/ Thoughts? Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre Jabber Software Foundation http://www.jabber.org/people/stpeter.shtml - Ted Leung Blog: <http://www.sauria.com/blog> PGP Fingerprint: 1003 7870 251F FA71 A59A CEE3 BEBA 2B87 F5FC 4B42 = -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

Re: PROPOSAL : Apache Harmony - J2SE 5 Project

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Re: [VOTE] Graduate Derby from the incubator

On Mar 29, 2005, at 6:58 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Ted Leung wrote: -1 I am surprised that people think the committer diversity issues are not an issue for graduation. Actually, I agree with you, and others have expressed the same concern, although without casting a vote. Adding new Committers

Re: [VOTE] Graduate Derby from the incubator

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Re: What is a healthy community? WAS: log4net 1.2.9 beta release

On Mar 15, 2005, at 10:06 AM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: The trouble I have here is that I like to believe that company affiliation is left at the door when it comes to governance, and is irrelevant when it comes to technology in that

Re: [VOTE] Nutch

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Re: [VOTE] Graduate XMLBeans from Incubator and recommend as top-level project

hours, closing at 23:59 GMT, Tuesday June 22, 2004 (extending to vote due to the weekend, but ending before the upcoming Board meeting): http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html? day=22&month=6&year=2004&hour=23&min=59 Cliff Ted Leung

Re: [PROPOSAL] Beehive

+1 Ted On May 17, 2004, at 12:21 AM, Cliff Schmidt wrote: Incubator PMC folks, I would like to propose a new Apache project named Beehive. The proposal can be found at http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/BeehiveProposal. Since the project is being proposed as a TLP with three subprojects, I've requ

Re: XMLBeans status report, Jan 2004

This looks accurate to me. I did update the status file in the incubator cvs @ cvs:incubator/site/projects/xmlbeans.cwiki, but I'm not sure how to get the site to rebuild. As mentioned below, the big challenge is to grow the community. Ted On Jan 17, 2004, at 2:48 PM, David Remy wrote: - Sta

Re: [VOTE] Official Name for "Geronimo" Project

On 12/2/03 10:37 PM, Jeremy Boynes wrote: Ted Leung wrote: On 12/1/03 10:00 AM, David Jencks wrote: Not to mention Xerces (definitely a person) and Alexandria (city in Egypt), Merlin (religious and possibly a person's name), Pluto (religious and possibly a geographical place, dependi

Re: [VOTE] Official Name for "Geronimo" Project

On 12/1/03 10:00 AM, David Jencks wrote: Not to mention Xerces (definitely a person) and Alexandria (city in Egypt), Merlin (religious and possibly a person's name), Pluto (religious and possibly a geographical place, depending on whether you think planets have geography), and possibly Avalon (

Re: Disclaimer text for incubated projects

Paul Hammant Ted Leung (new member) This is great, but it's also news to me... Jim Jagielski Sam Ruby Leo Simmons (new member) Davanum Srinivas (new member) Greg Stein Sander Striker - To unsubscribe, e

Re: Request for Guidance

On 9/29/2003 6:34 AM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: so far, i at least am appreciating your input and don't want you to stop. I think that a few more 1 liners like this would help to allay Berin's concerns, and my own. More people are trying to come and help. Please let us know if we are go

Re: XMLBeans website

On 9/26/2003 1:55 PM, David Remy wrote: Thanks Berin, I was able to checkout the xml-site module and even create the targets/xmlbeans directory and populate with the forrest build/site stuff as Jeff suggested but I do not have sufficient Karma to commit. Can you help me with this? Done. Ted --

Re: Getting the distribution onto a download site somewhere ...

On 9/24/2003 12:10 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are trying to get there you know. If at any point you want to help, just let me know. I wasn't trying to say that you weren't working on it, just trying to point out that some people consider Releases important. Ted -

Re: Suggestions for Next Steps

On 9/24/2003 4:21 AM, Berin Lautenbach wrote: Peoples, I think in Incubator Musings we have a good first cut at a "process description" for Incubation. This is a non-normative reference that I think could be put on the web site, subject to everyone being comfortable with the contents. On top

Re: Getting the distribution onto a download site somewhere ...

On 9/23/2003 3:51 PM, robert burrell donkin wrote: FWIW my experience at jakarta has been that momentum is much more important than Releases. in fact, some of the most talked about new java products here at apache (maven, jelly, geronimo) have never had a Release. My experience talking to non-

Re: Exit Criteria

On 9/23/2003 12:10 AM, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Ted Leung wrote: Meritocracy / Community Demonstrate an active and diverse development community No single organization supplies more than 50% of the active committers (must be at least 3 independent committers) How do you assess that

Re: Another cut at roles and responsibilities

On 9/23/2003 5:29 AM, Berin Lautenbach wrote: Would be great if you could have a read through the new version of http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?IncubatorMussings I'm hoping that it is something that will work. I've actually got it such that the Shepherd reports to both. The Spon

Re: Another cut at roles and responsibilities

On 9/23/2003 5:31 AM, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: There is only one point that I have different in my mind and that is IIUC addressed there. It's about having an "elder" shepherd mentoring the main shepherd, and possibly requiring at least two people helping in Incubation. I think that there a

Re: roles and responsibilities

On 9/22/2003 4:52 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Ted, If I were you, I think that I would subscribe myself to the Incubator PMC mailing list. That way you can see how things are settling in (I would expect that they could use a bit of time to consolidate all of the discussion), and if they say that

Re: roles and responsibilities

On 9/22/2003 4:50 PM, Berin Lautenbach wrote: From: Rodent of Unusual Size what's the role of the incubator pmc in this? at the least, it's a set of passionate asf people who are essentially in agreement about what makes something a genuine 'apache'-style project, who review the reports o

Re: Another cut at roles and responsibilities

On 9/22/2003 6:28 PM, Berin Lautenbach wrote: From: "Noel J. Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Another cut at roles and responsibilities Date: 23/09/2003 11:20:12 To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Stephen, Actually, I think you had it right the first time. The XML Project PMC should take the first

Re: roles and responsibilities

On 9/22/2003 1:27 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: +1. I don't think that we need have multiple people fufill all these roles. If the sponsor/shepherd/mentor is going to be a member of the incubator PMC (see 1 above), then they ought to be trusted to follow the incubator guidlines (once they exist).

Exit Criteria

I don't know if we want to tackle this at the same time as Steven's document on entering the incubator, but at the moment I"m more focused on how to get podlings out of the incubator rather than getting them in. A while ago I proposed some exit criteria for XML beans -- I haven't pushed them be

Re: Another cut at roles and responsibilities

On 9/22/2003 5:23 AM, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Berin Lautenbach wrote: ... I have also very much de-emphasised the role of the sponsor. From what I've seen, the key role post acceptance is the Shepherd. If the Sponsor wishes to become the shepherd, then they retain the responsibilities, ot

Re: roles and responsibilities

On 9/22/2003 5:39 AM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: 1) how do people get on the incubation PMC? any committer? only members? members and officials? everybody committer that previously has a record of helping incubation? just curious of what feelings are. anoth

Re: roles and responsibilities

On 9/21/2003 10:59 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Ted Leung wrote: Minimum size is not enough here. There also needs to be a diversity requirement. For example XMLBeans must have no more than 50% of its committers from a single organization. Good exit criteria. You're right, of c

Re: Getting the distribution onto a download site somewhere ...

Okay guys, I get the message. I'll ask XML beans to make a "xmlbeans-is-not-part-of-the-ASF-1.0" release. On 9/22/2003 10:09 AM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: Jochen Wiedmann wrote: i think the point is that a podling is *not* part of the asf, and is therefore not entitled to distribute so

Re: roles and responsibilities

On 9/21/2003 7:37 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Berin, http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?IncubatorMussings Had a read. Great stuff :>. At a quick glance, I see some things to change. - there has not been stated a minimum community size to start Minimum size is not e

Re: Getting the distribution onto a download site somewhere ...

Copying to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for policy check. On 9/20/2003 1:54 AM, robert burrell donkin wrote: IIRC incubating projects should not create full releases (the reason being that the ASF makes a long term commitment to maintain all full releases) until the incubation process is finished (but thi

Re: [VOTE] New Chair (Re: cvs commit : incubator STATUS)

On 9/18/2003 10:38 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: I think that in Incubator, there need at least two or three persons who have real power. (One Chair and two Vice Chair?) I think we need people on the PMC who are doing the work, not expecting Chairs and Vice Chairs to do things for them. The

Re: [PROPOSAL] PMC Vote to incubate Directory Project

On 9/18/2003 4:46 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: On Wednesday, September 17, 2003, at 08:16 PM, Greg Stein wrote: See my previous post. The Incubator itself can accept projects, if it so chooses. The project can then sit in the Incubator as long as the Incubator wants to allow it. But for exit, it w

Re: [PROPOSAL] PMC Vote to incubate Directory Project

Is this going to be a top level project or has an existing PMC agreed to accept it? My impression is that the board has to agree to a new top level project, but I'm not positive about this. Ted On 9/17/2003 1:58 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Please see: http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.c

Re: Creation of accounts for initial XMLBeans committers

On 9/14/2003 5:51 PM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: Accounts created, passwords sent. -- justin Thank you! Ted - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Creation of accounts for initial XMLBeans committers

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Please create the accounts for the initial XMLBeans committers. Jim has received the software grant, and the CLAs are on file. Thanks, Ted Full name: Cezar Andrei Preferred userid: cezar Forwarding email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Requested

Re: request to accept new project: wsrp4j:K@N@!:

On 8/1/2003 10:09 AM, Davanum Srinivas wrote: Status update: - Started the VOTE on WS-PMC. Will report back the results. - There's Portlet API jar (named pluto.jar) that is required by both Charon and Jetspeed-2. The Jetspeed-2 folks are working on it (http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jetspeed-dev&

Re: request to accept new project: wsrp4j

On 8/1/2003 10:09 AM, Davanum Srinivas wrote: Status update: - Started the VOTE on WS-PMC. Will report back the results. - There's Portlet API jar (named pluto.jar) that is required by both Charon and Jetspeed-2. The Jetspeed-2 folks are working on it (http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jetspeed-dev&

Re: Proposal for xml-bean exit criteria

On 7/31/2003 5:14 PM, Greg Stein wrote: On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 03:50:22PM -0700, Ted Leung wrote: ... Legal (these should be done before code comes into the incubator, but I'm including them for completeness) All code ASL'ed No non ASL or ASL compatbile dependencies in the

Proposal for xml-bean exit criteria

Hi folks, Steven rightly pointed out that we are lacking a firm set of exit criteria, so I'm going to take a stab at it. I didn't find a set for either Tapestry or Lenya, so I"m just making this up (I did find criteria for entering the incubator, though). If I messed the prior art, I trust so

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