On 9/10/2010 11:25 PM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
For reference:
* Subversion created its dev list in April 2000.
* The user list was created in July 2003. 238 messages were posted that
month.
As you can see, we waited a
So far I see 2 clear (binding) +1s for the proposal...
Calling out for more ;)
On Sep 7, 2010, at 8:29 PM, Matthew Sacks wrote:
Hello, Peary Chiu and myself would like to announce the Proposal for the
Kitty, Production Tomcat utility. Our proposal is as follows (we have also
attached a PDF
+1
sound neat - and I'm really eager to check the groovy port ;)
LieGrue,
strub
--- On Mon, 9/13/10, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
From: Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com
Subject: Looking for a few more votes... Re: [PROPOSAL] Kitty to Enter the
Incubator
To: general
On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
So far I see 2 clear (binding) +1s for the proposal...
It's a proposal, not a vote, right?
I think it's fine to move forward with the vote if there are no
pending issues (haven't checked).
-Bertrand
Calling out for more
So far I see 2 clear (binding) +1s for the proposal...
Calling out for more ;)
Echoing Bertrand's comment, people may have been waiting for a [VOTE]
thread.
--- Noel
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+1 from me (binding)
On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
So far I see 2 clear (binding) +1s for the proposal...
Calling out for more ;)
On Sep 7, 2010, at 8:29 PM, Matthew Sacks wrote:
Hello, Peary Chiu and myself would like to announce the Proposal for
On 13/09/2010 14:35, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
So far I see 2 clear (binding) +1s for the proposal...
Calling out for more ;)
Echoing Bertrand's comment, people may have been waiting for a [VOTE]
thread.
A VOTE is a good idea. :)
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On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
For reference:
* Subversion created its dev list in April 2000.
* The user list was created in July 2003. 238 messages were posted that month.
As you can see, we waited a very long time before sending users to
their own
+1 (non-binding)
Small point: if a Mentor must be a Member, I can't be one, because I'm not.
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On 08/09/2010 16:00, Mohammad Nour El-Din wrote:
+1 (Notbinding)
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 7:22 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 20:29, Matthew Sacks
Just to clarify: I'm assuming you're saying +1 to the proposal,
rather than to my comment. Correct?
And to clarify for myself: I have no opinion on the proposal itself. I
timed out after Java and the next few buzzwords. Thankfully, this
proposal didn't say framework or I may have timed out after
On 09/09/2010 07:15, Greg Stein wrote:
Just to clarify: I'm assuming you're saying +1 to the proposal,
rather than to my comment. Correct?
+1 indeed, to the proposal
+1 actually, to the mailing list comment, too.
The Incubator PMC might consider that establishing sufficient interest
which
I'm with James on this one. Many good points have been made on this,
but we do have bigger things to worry about.
On Wed, 2010-09-08 at 08:06 -0400, James Carman wrote:
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 7:39 AM, dan haywood
d...@haywood-associates.co.uk wrote:
For the moment at least the dev
+1 on the mailing lists issue.
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 8:29 AM, Pid p...@pidster.com wrote:
On 09/09/2010 07:15, Greg Stein wrote:
Just to clarify: I'm assuming you're saying +1 to the proposal,
rather than to my comment. Correct?
+1 indeed, to the proposal
+1 actually, to the mailing list
The formation of your community is a BIG DEAL. Not something to
casually sweep under the rug.
Partitioning the community between users and devs makes it very
difficult to establish a large, viable, sustainable community.
If projects arrive at the Incubator with an already-built user
community,
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 7:24 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
...It is obviously a call for each podling to make, so I'm simply
recommending that all podlings consider the impact of dividing your
community when you ask for separate dev/user lists. I believe it is
rarely appropriate
I
The dicussion of how proposals should be addressed might be a better
issue for the Wiki page on proposals.
It is off topic of this original proposal, and I vote that it be moved
to a separate thread.
We have agreed and noted to use a single mailing list for the purposes
of this proposal.
On
James Carman wrote on Thu, Sep 09, 2010 at 15:33:53 -0400:
If users are interested in the development goings-on,
then they can subscribe to the dev list.
A standard argument against this:
Having it in the same list makes it easier to pull users in to become
developers.
Some folks, like us
On 9/9/10 9:33 PM, James Carman wrote:
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Greg Steingst...@gmail.com wrote:
The formation of your community is a BIG DEAL. Not something to
casually sweep under the rug.
Partitioning the community between users and devs makes it very
difficult to establish a
...@carmanconsulting.com
Subject: Re: No dev-, user- lists for small podlings (was: Re: [PROPOSAL]
Kitty to Enter the Incubator)
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Date: Thursday, September 9, 2010, 7:33 PM
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Greg
Stein gst...@gmail.com
wrote:
The formation of your
:
From: James Carman ja...@carmanconsulting.com
Subject: Re: No dev-, user- lists for small podlings (was: Re: [PROPOSAL]
Kitty to Enter the Incubator)
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Date: Thursday, September 9, 2010, 7:33 PM
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Greg
Stein gst
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 7:22 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 20:29, Matthew Sacks matt...@matthewsacks.comwrote:
...
*Mailing Lists*
kitty-dev
kitty-commits
kitty-user
Is there a large user community already? If not, then splitting the
community across
Isis mentors:
Given we're in the same situation and are still being bootstrapped,
should we follow this advice, ie start off with a combined mailing list
for -dev and -user?
Dan
On 08/09/2010 08:10, Martijn Dashorst wrote:
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 7:22 AM, Greg Steingst...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 9:16 AM, Dan Haywood dkhayw...@gmail.com wrote:
Isis mentors:
Given we're in the same situation and are still being bootstrapped, should
we follow this advice, ie start off with a combined mailing list for -dev
and -user? ...
Like Martijn and Greg I think that's a
- lists for small podlings (was: Re: [PROPOSAL]
Kitty to Enter the Incubator)
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 7:16 AM
Isis mentors:
Given we're in the same situation and are still being
bootstrapped,
should we follow this advice, ie start off
for
now.
LieGrue,
strub
--- On Wed, 9/8/10, Dan Haywood dkhayw...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Dan Haywood dkhayw...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: No dev-, user- lists for small podlings (was: Re: [PROPOSAL]
Kitty to Enter the Incubator)
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Date: Wednesday, September 8
2010 7:29 PM
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Cc: d...@haywood-associates.co.uk
Subject: Re: No dev-, user- lists for small podlings (was: Re:
[PROPOSAL] Kitty to Enter the Incubator)
+1 especially since incubation is about establishing a developers
community
-M
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010
-, user- lists for small podlings (was: Re:
[PROPOSAL] Kitty to Enter the Incubator)
+1 especially since incubation is about establishing a developers
community
-M
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de
wrote:
+1
I barely see the users list used
Well, we could neglect to tell anyone about the user list until we need it.
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:16 AM, Dan Haywood dkhayw...@gmail.com wrote:
Isis mentors:
Given we're in the same situation and are still being bootstrapped, should
we follow this advice, ie start off with a combined
Isn't Isis a different bird though? It has been around for a long time and
is likely to actually have existing users
On Sep 8, 2010 7:04 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, we could neglect to tell anyone about the user list until we need
it.
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:16
One point against this is that we have had a long-standing user list,
and it is the developer list that is new and growing. People are use to
the user list already. If we are going to combine the two then I
suggest we have a -user list now and let the developers grow out of
that.
Rob
On Wed,
On 8 September 2010 12:16, James Carman ja...@carmanconsulting.com wrote:
Isn't Isis a different bird though? It has been around for a long time and
is likely to actually have existing users
It has some, but not enough to be sustainable. Hence entry into
the incubator to build both its user
On 8 September 2010 12:19, Robert Matthews rmatth...@nakedobjects.orgwrote:
One point against this is that we have had a long-standing user list, ...
... People are used to
the user list already.
We do, but it's going to change anyway when we make the apache mailing list
available.
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 7:39 AM, dan haywood
d...@haywood-associates.co.uk wrote:
For the moment at least the dev community is more active (or at least more
vocal), so their mailing list should be the main focal point. As I said in
the other email, when we have more user traffic than dev
On 8 September 2010 12:39, dan haywood d...@haywood-associates.co.uk wrote:
snip/
And another benefit of putting user traffic on the dev list is that
it'll give the devs exposure to any probs that regular users are having with
actually using the framework (ie so we can mature its
+1 (Notbinding)
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 7:22 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 20:29, Matthew Sacks matt...@matthewsacks.comwrote:
...
*Mailing Lists*
kitty-dev
kitty-commits
kitty-user
Is there a large user community already? If not, then splitting the
On Sep 8, 2010, at 1:22 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 20:29, Matthew Sacks matt...@matthewsacks.comwrote:
...
*Mailing Lists*
kitty-dev
kitty-commits
kitty-user
Is there a large user community already? If not, then splitting the
community across dev/user does not
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 20:29, Matthew Sacks matt...@matthewsacks.comwrote:
...
*Mailing Lists*
kitty-dev
kitty-commits
kitty-user
Is there a large user community already? If not, then splitting the
community across dev/user does not make sense. You want to keep the users
and developers on
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