Reminder to podlings

2009-10-12 Thread Jim Jagielski
When generating your reports for the Board Meetings, please don't forget to add some useful information. For example: o Date of Incubation o General focus of podling o Remaining items to accomplish for graduation. Some examples from last month include Hama, Kato and Log4php

Re: [VOTE] Graduate Click as an Apache TLP

2009-10-18 Thread Jim Jagielski
Should I be concerned that the initial size of the PMC is just 5 people? Even so, +1 On Oct 17, 2009, at 9:39 PM, Bob Schellink wrote: Hi all, The Apache Click community has voted to request graduation from the Incubator as a new TLP [1][2]. I would like to start a vote to recommend the

Re: [VOTE] Graduate Click as an Apache TLP

2009-10-19 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Oct 18, 2009, at 5:06 PM, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote: Hello Jim, many Apache projects have shown that small PMCs can work as effectively (or sometimes even more effective) than bigger PMCs. I didn't say I *was* worried... I just asked should I be... ;)

Re: [PROPOSAL] Libcloud Project

2009-10-28 Thread Jim Jagielski
+1. Like to join as well. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org

Re: [VOTE] Accept Libcloud proposal for incubation

2009-10-28 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Oct 28, 2009, at 2:39 PM, Paul Querna wrote: Libcloud proposal thread went well, and we added several mentors. I would like to start the vote to incubate Libcloud into the ASF. The proposal is included below and is also at: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/LibcloudProposal Please cast

Re: [PROPOSAL][VOTE] Subversion

2009-11-04 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Nov 4, 2009, at 3:12 PM, Greg Stein wrote: The Subversion project would like to join the Apache Software Foundation to remove the overhead of having to run its own corporation. The Subversion project is already run quite like an Apache project, and already counts a number of ASF Members

Re: [PROPOSAL][VOTE] Subversion

2009-11-13 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Nov 11, 2009, at 5:35 PM, Davanum Srinivas wrote: Dan, It's up to each project to get their releases correct - Yes. But not everyone hangs out on the d...@maven or gene...@incubator. Hence the request to broadcast. I really don't understand the why? - No one is trying to mandate

Re: Incubator Releases: mandatory or optional? Purpose?

2009-11-16 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Nov 13, 2009, at 1:27 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Greg Stein wrote: IIRC, Martijn has offered a proper legal review in the place of a release. This sounded pretty reasonable to me. I would agree to that. Yup. I've already stated that I have no problems with running RAT and working

Re: [VOTE] Subversion podling for graduation

2010-02-12 Thread Jim Jagielski
Looks like the trademark issues are being resolved, so +1 ! On Feb 11, 2010, at 11:08 PM, Greg Stein wrote: Hello all, I started a discussion thread a week-ish ago to seek out issues for Subversion's graduation. The couple bits that were raised[1] have been handled, I believe. So with

Re: [VOTE] - Graduate Log4PHP as a subproject of Logging project

2010-03-04 Thread Jim Jagielski
+1 On Mar 4, 2010, at 4:18 AM, Gav... wrote: Hi All, The Log4PHP community has voted [1] with 5 +1 votes and no other votes as follows, to graduate to become a sub-project of the Logging Project. * Gavin McDonald * Christian Hammers * Jim Jagielski * Jesus Christian (non binding

Re: [VOTE] Approve the release of apache-trafficserver-incubating-2.0.0-alpha

2010-03-10 Thread Jim Jagielski
+1 On Mar 5, 2010, at 2:21 PM, Leif Hedstrom wrote: Hi, The Traffic Server PPMC has voted on and approved the release of TS v2.0.0-alpha. We would now like to request the approval from the Incubator PMC for this release. The original vote thread is Message-ID:

Re: [VOTE] Approve the release of apache-trafficserver-incubating-2.0.0-alpha

2010-03-12 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Mar 10, 2010, at 11:10 AM, Leif Hedstrom wrote: Please vote on releasing this package as Apache trafficserver-incubating-2.0.0-alpha: [ ] +1 Publish [ ] 0 Abstain [ ] -1 Don't publish, because... +1 for release

Re: [VOTE] Apache Traffic Server as a TLP

2010-04-12 Thread Jim Jagielski
+1 On Apr 10, 2010, at 5:35 AM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: On 4/9/2010 6:54 PM, Bryan Call wrote: Incubation status: http://incubator.apache.org/projects/trafficserver.html Please cast your vote: [X] +1 to recommend Traffic Server's graduation

Re: [VOTE] Termination of WSRP4J podling

2010-04-26 Thread Jim Jagielski
+1 On Apr 19, 2010, at 2:46 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: I'm not all to familiar with what the next steps should be. Update the status page, move the project on the projects index (probably retired is correct, rather than dormant) to reflect the change. I assume the wsrp4j mailing list

Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components

2010-04-26 Thread Jim Jagielski
+1 ! On Apr 19, 2010, at 9:52 AM, Tobias Schlitt wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, please find below our proposal for Zeta Components. The proposal is also available in the wiki: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ZetaComponentsProposal Regards,

Re: [VOTE] Approve the M2 release of Apache Stonehenge

2010-07-06 Thread Jim Jagielski
+1 On Jul 5, 2010, at 1:15 PM, Ben Dewey wrote: Hi, The Apache Stonehenge community has voted for the M2 release of Apache Stonehenge. We are now asking the approval from the Incubator PMC to publish the release. Stonehenge is a set of example applications for Service Oriented

Re: [VOTE] Thrift 0.4.0 RC1

2010-08-21 Thread Jim Jagielski
+1 On Aug 20, 2010, at 2:04 PM, Greg Stein wrote: +1 On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 16:51, Bryan Duxbury br...@rapleaf.com wrote: Hi all, In all the time it took for us to finally release Thrift 0.3, we've accumulated enough changes for Thrift 0.4! I propose we accept

Re: [VOTE] Isis to enter the incubator

2010-09-02 Thread Jim Jagielski
+1: binding On Sep 1, 2010, at 5:42 AM, Dan Haywood wrote: The Isis proposal has now been updated with a champion and several new mentors (thanks again guys), and is ready to be voted on. The proposal is at: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/IsisProposal , the text is also copied below.

Re: [PROPOSAL] Kitty to Enter the Incubator

2010-09-08 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Sep 8, 2010, at 1:22 AM, Greg Stein wrote: On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 20:29, Matthew Sacks matt...@matthewsacks.comwrote: ... *Mailing Lists* kitty-dev kitty-commits kitty-user Is there a large user community already? If not, then splitting the community across dev/user does not

Looking for a few more votes... Re: [PROPOSAL] Kitty to Enter the Incubator

2010-09-13 Thread Jim Jagielski
-tomcat Initial Committers Matthew Sacks (matt...@glasscodeinc.com) Peary Chiu (pearyc...@gmail.com) Jim Jagielski (j...@jimgjag.com) Stuart Williams (p...@pidster.com) Required Resources • Subversion • Jira • Wiki • Website Space • Hudson Mailing

Re: [VOTE] Kitty to Enter the Incubator

2010-09-17 Thread Jim Jagielski
+1 (binding) On Sep 15, 2010, at 3:20 AM, msacks wrote: At the advisement of the list, we have created a brand-new thread here for voting on the kitty proposal. The wiki page is located at: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/KittyProposal Thanks.

Re: Real-time communication (was [VOTE] ALOIS to enter the incubator)

2010-09-17 Thread Jim Jagielski
I still don't see how that gets around the perception, and the reality, that development is being done outside the list. So I don't see that proposal as helping out at all... On Sep 16, 2010, at 3:27 PM, Scott Deboy wrote: I understand the concern raised by the use of real-time communication

Re: [ISIS] Re: Conference call

2010-11-22 Thread Jim Jagielski
By definition, ANY such meeting will exclude some people; it's just the nature of the beast. Anyone not in that timezone either will not be able to attend or will need to go out of their way to attend. As such, it is *very* easy to disenfranchise large groups of people, esp if the Skype chat is

Re: [ISIS] Re: Conference call

2010-11-22 Thread Jim Jagielski
. --benson On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 7:54 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: By definition, ANY such meeting will exclude some people; it's just the nature of the beast. Anyone not in that timezone either will not be able to attend or will need to go out of their way to attend

Re: [VOTE] Accept Wave into the incubator

2010-11-30 Thread Jim Jagielski
+1 (binding) On Nov 30, 2010, at 1:52 AM, Dan Peterson wrote: Hi everyone, Please vote on the acceptance of Wave into the Apache incubator. The proposal is available at: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/WaveProposal (for your convenience, a snapshot is also copied below) The earlier

Re: [VOTE][PROPOSAL] EasyAnt incubator

2011-01-26 Thread Jim Jagielski
+1 (binding) On Jan 25, 2011, at 5:24 PM, Marcel Offermans wrote: +1 Greetings, Marcel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail:

Re: [VOTE] Accept Lucene.Net for incubation

2011-01-27 Thread Jim Jagielski
+1 (binding) On Jan 27, 2011, at 1:05 AM, Troy Howard wrote: All, Since posting the Lucene.Net Incubator proposal announcement on Jan 12th, we now have three mentors signed up and would like to call a vote to accept Lucene.Net into the Apache Incubator. The proposal is included below and

Re: [VOTE] release deltacloud 0.2.0

2011-02-16 Thread Jim Jagielski
+1 (binding) On Feb 14, 2011, at 1:20 PM, David Lutterkort wrote: Hi all, I just uploaded a release candidate for Deltacloud 0.2.0. The rc is available from http://people.apache.org/~lutter/deltacloud/0.2.0/rc2/ Please vote on whether this should become the official 0.2.0 release by

Re: [VOTE] release deltacloud 0.2.0

2011-02-21 Thread Jim Jagielski
We're looking for one more binding +1... On Feb 14, 2011, at 1:20 PM, David Lutterkort wrote: Hi all, I just uploaded a release candidate for Deltacloud 0.2.0. The rc is available from http://people.apache.org/~lutter/deltacloud/0.2.0/rc2/ Please vote on whether this should become the

Re: [VOTE] release deltacloud 0.2.0

2011-02-21 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Feb 21, 2011, at 11:34 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 12:23 AM, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de wrote: I'm not really fit with ruby projects, but there are quite a few sources with LGPL license headers. e.g. ./lib/deltacloud/drivers/opennebula/opennebula_driver.rb

Re: [VOTE] release deltacloud 0.3.0 (RC3)

2011-04-21 Thread Jim Jagielski
+1 On Apr 19, 2011, at 5:01 PM, David Lutterkort wrote: Hi all, I just uploaded the third release candidate for Deltacloud 0.3.0. The rc is available from http://people.apache.org/~lutter/deltacloud/0.3.0/rc3/ This RC fixes a critical bug in the EC2 driver. Please vote on the release

Re: [Vote]: Libcloud to become a TLP

2011-05-17 Thread Jim Jagielski
+1 (binding) On May 15, 2011, at 10:42 PM, Tomaz Muraus wrote: OK, sorry for the confusion, but apparently I need to open a separate voting thread so here it is. Here is also a list of people who have already voted +1 in the proposal thread which can be found at

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal

2011-06-01 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 1, 2011, at 12:21 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: There is a statement that Oracle will assist in the transition and migration from OpenOffice.org., I am probably reading too much into it, but why is there not a statement that Oracle intend to continue development once the transition is

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal

2011-06-01 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 1, 2011, at 12:41 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: On 01/06/2011 17:28, Jim Jagielski wrote: On Jun 1, 2011, at 12:21 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: There is a statement that Oracle will assist in the transition and migration from OpenOffice.org., I am probably reading too much

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal

2011-06-01 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 1, 2011, at 1:13 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: For sure, we need to add people. I expect that we will get quite a bunch interested. After all, this was all kept hush-hush. Now that the cat is out of the bag, we will for sure see that list grow. FWIW, I have contacted the 2 main people

Fwd: OpenOffice and the ASF

2011-06-01 Thread Jim Jagielski
Begin forwarded message: From: Jim Jagielski j...@apache.org Date: June 1, 2011 2:33:15 PM EDT To: Louis Suarez-Potts lsuarezpo...@gmail.com Cc: Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@documentfoundation.org, Sam Ruby ru...@apache.org Subject: Re: OpenOffice and the ASF message-id: ecff3ecc-1c0c

Fwd: OpenOffice and the ASF

2011-06-01 Thread Jim Jagielski
FYI: Begin forwarded message: From: Louis Suarez-Potts lsuarezpo...@gmail.com Date: June 1, 2011 2:58:02 PM EDT To: Jim Jagielski j...@apache.org Cc: Louis Suarez-Potts lsuarezpo...@gmail.com, Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@documentfoundation.org, Sam Ruby ru...@apache.org Subject: Re

Re: Rép : OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal

2011-06-01 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 1, 2011, at 3:27 PM, Greg Stein wrote: On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 15:04, eric b eric.bach...@free.fr wrote: Hi, First, apologies for the new thread, due to my late arrival on this list. As developer for OpenOffice.org since 2005, and having some knowledge in OOo source code, I'm

[italo.vign...@documentfoundation.org: Re: OpenOffice and the ASF]

2011-06-01 Thread Jim Jagielski
More info re TDF and LOo - Forwarded message from Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@documentfoundation.org - Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 23:16:53 +0200 From: Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@documentfoundation.org Reply-To: italo.vign...@documentfoundation.org To: Jim Jagielski j...@apache.org CC: Louis

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal

2011-06-02 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 2, 2011, at 12:40 AM, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote: -- One thing that struck me today is that it is almost arcane mystical knowledge, for anyone outside of Apache, how exactly to affix their name in support of this proposal as a proposed initial committer, or even that this was

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal

2011-06-02 Thread Jim Jagielski
Threads are fine, as long as they are really threads ;) On Jun 2, 2011, at 1:25 AM, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote: Dumb question. Are we obligated to converse like this, in a single email thread, for the duration of the proposal review process? Is this an organizing principle? Would I

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal

2011-06-02 Thread Jim Jagielski
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Re: [italo.vign...@documentfoundation.org: Re: OpenOffice and the ASF]

2011-06-02 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 1, 2011, at 10:58 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: On 6/1/2011 8:41 PM, Louis Suarez-Potts wrote: My questions then are absolutely pragmatic and relate—hence the to post—to issues not so far discussed: * Apache Foundation owns the trademark to OOo? * We at OOo receive lots of

Re: OpenOffice and the ASF

2011-06-02 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 2, 2011, at 9:21 AM, Simon Brouwer wrote: I had already been so bold as to adding myself to the list, expressing my support to the proposal. I was wondering though. In the OpenOffice.org project, many community members contribute in other ways than committing code, for example by

Re: OpenOffice and the ASF

2011-06-02 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 2, 2011, at 10:07 AM, Michael Meeks wrote: Sure - there are lots of nice side effects of rationalisation and so on, it all sounds good. But unfortunately IBM's move here is not primarily focused on that - otherwise (surely) it would work with TDF - where it has been made

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-02 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 2, 2011, at 10:40 AM, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote: No one is forcing LibreOffice members to do anything. You are free to disagree with my goals, my priorities or even my methods and simply say, No thanks without suggesting that it is immoral for anyone else, including your own

Blondie's Parallel Lines...

2011-06-02 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 2, 2011, at 10:40 AM, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote: I'd like to think that no one is working on LibreOffice merely because they have no choice, or that giving everyone a choice is seen as being antagonistic. If truly 100% of the LibreOffice members prefer TDF to Apache, then you

Happy happy joy joy

2011-06-02 Thread Jim Jagielski
Guys, if we are going to argue over the mistakes of the pasts and the slights of the past, quite frankly, we aren't going to get very far. This is supposed to be a happy occasion; let's not bicker and argue about who-killed-who... :) On Jun 2, 2011, at 11:11 AM, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote:

Re: Blondie's Parallel Lines...

2011-06-02 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 2, 2011, at 11:16 AM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: To answer Jim's email, I think that while OOo and LibreOffice don't have to be competitors, I would not necessarily want to decide why we should split development efforts. I 'm sure the Apache Foundation has experience in dealing with

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-02 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 2, 2011, at 11:35 AM, Thorsten Behrens wrote: As it doesn't fundamentally change the matter - this was a missed opportunity to reunite. If we all agree on that point, can we please move on? - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-02 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 2, 2011, at 12:04 PM, Ian Lynch wrote: On 2 June 2011 16:49, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: On Jun 2, 2011, at 11:35 AM, Thorsten Behrens wrote: As it doesn't fundamentally change the matter - this was a missed opportunity to reunite. If we all agree on that point, can

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-02 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 2, 2011, at 12:09 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote: Hi, On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: On Jun 2, 2011, at 11:35 AM, Thorsten Behrens wrote: As it doesn't fundamentally change the matter - this was a missed opportunity to reunite. If we all agree

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-02 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 2, 2011, at 12:31 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote: Hi, On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: ??? I simply cannot grok the above as a response to my comment... huh? Apologies if I misunderstood. The way I read the exchange was: this was a missed

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HREUNITING the Community?

2011-06-02 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 2, 2011, at 3:34 PM, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote: Sense 2 is a but more subjective, since each person might have their own vision of what the ideal community would look like. Let's look at it this way: Pretend that when things starting going south in OOo, but before TDF was formed,

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HREUNITING the Community?

2011-06-02 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 2, 2011, at 4:03 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: That's a tough one, Jim :-) It's what I do :) my personal feeling (I'm not speaking on behalf of TDF on this one) is that we didn't have enough time/opportunity to understand each other more. And now, we are looking at a hairball that

Re: Proposal for OpenOffice Incubator strategy

2011-06-03 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 2, 2011, at 8:12 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: TL;DR version: I think I see people talking past each other for a bunch of reasons, and I have a compromise proposal that might make things easier. It's at the bottom, and explained in some detail in the middle. Welcome to the discussion.

Re: Blondie's Parallel Lines... numerically ...

2011-06-03 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 3, 2011, at 2:13 AM, Greg Stein wrote: I don't see any of this discussion about numbers being helpful, only divisive. My numbers are right. No, they're not. See? But those numbers are too small. Get over it already, people. Find something substative to discuss. Agreed... if we

Re: Proposal for OpenOffice Incubator strategy

2011-06-03 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 3, 2011, at 10:05 AM, Michael Meeks wrote: Hi Rob, On Thu, 2011-06-02 at 21:26 -0400, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote: Finally, I think we're exaggerating the difficulty of getting out a release of OpenOfice. LibreOffice did it very quickly. And so did IBM with Symphony. This is

Re: Proposal for OpenOffice Incubator strategy

2011-06-03 Thread Jim Jagielski
Of course it does... but we are discussing ways where we can use all aspects of the existing communities to give the IPMC a warm-and-fuzzy regarding voting +1 On Jun 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: Um, it seems to me that this discussion of builds and distribution belongs on the

Re: Proposal for OpenOffice Incubator strategy

2011-06-03 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 3, 2011, at 11:09 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: On 03/06/2011 16:00, Christian Grobmeier wrote: Stupid question time: If TDF already has the *build* infrastructure, then isn't *that* a clear choice of where at least some level of cooperation can occur. After all, the ASF provides

Re: Proposal for OpenOffice Incubator strategy

2011-06-03 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 3, 2011, at 11:09 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: Please see Simon Phipps' email earlier today that contained a very similar suggestion with some more detail, it would be nice to bring these two threads together. Simon's email, from what I can tell, boils down to: 1. The podling goes

Re: Proposal for OpenOffice Incubator strategy

2011-06-03 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 3, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: On 03/06/2011 16:43, Jim Jagielski wrote: On Jun 3, 2011, at 11:09 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: Please see Simon Phipps' email earlier today that contained a very similar suggestion with some more detail, it would be nice to bring these two

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-03 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 3, 2011, at 1:36 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: and especially to use the trademark (which is the only actual asset being transferred) for everyone's good. And as a tangible, valuable asset, the ASF cannot, as a 501(c)3 non-profit just give it away to just anyone... in general, the

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-03 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 3, 2011, at 1:36 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: On 3 Jun 2011, at 17:52, Ian Lynch wrote: Hi Florian, I do see with great concern is the need for a second project to be set-up at Apache or any other entity. Thing is that this is done, Oracle didn't and won't now give the IP to

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-03 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 3, 2011, at 1:57 PM, Greg Stein wrote: On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 13:50, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote: Which is why I raised the question regarding TDF's ability to relicense all of the contributions it

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-03 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 3, 2011, at 2:12 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: Cmon Jim, he wrote a lengthy monologue which spelled out his position. As I read it, we could license the OpenOffice trademark to the Document Foundation for, as Simon put

Re: Proposal for OpenOffice Incubator strategy

2011-06-03 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 3, 2011, at 2:14 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: If I were voting on this incubator proposal (and of course I know I am not), I would want to know that the people proposing it had a grasp of the enormity of the task and a plan for dealing with it /from day one/ and not from an undefined

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-03 Thread Jim Jagielski
, but the reason I am here on the list is to be constructive and not to be bitch-slapped and misrepresented just for showing up. On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: Cmon Joe, Simon's PoV has been clear from his tweets, unless he has changed his mind... If I am mis

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-03 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 3, 2011, at 2:30 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: On 6/3/2011 1:17 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: Are you ready to call for a vote? :) I'm certainly not support OOo from 2 committers and 1 mentor. ... Shane Sam, and some member of ComDev, if you would serve, please add yourselves

Re: opportunity to reunite the related communities Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-03 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 3, 2011, at 2:35 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: More than that, I'd like to see it as an objective to facilitate this collaboration. There's too much talk of just giving up and treating ideological division as a given... Well, the ASF develops and releases software under the AL... that

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-03 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 3, 2011, at 2:40 PM, Allen Pulsifer wrote: I suggest you stick to the content of the e-mails on the list, Jim. Yes, I am concerned about how this all came about, but the reason I am here on the list is to be constructive and not to be bitch-slapped and misrepresented just for

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-03 Thread Jim Jagielski
And I offer a personal apology to Simon... On Jun 3, 2011, at 2:49 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: On Jun 3, 2011, at 2:40 PM, Allen Pulsifer wrote: I suggest you stick to the content of the e-mails on the list, Jim. Yes, I am concerned about how this all came about, but the reason I am here

Re: opportunity to reunite the related communities Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-03 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 3, 2011, at 2:55 PM, Ian Lynch wrote: Which is exactly why I say we are where we are and we should deal with it even if it is to agree to disagree on some things. Can we work together and resolve issues so that people can enjoy using FOSS office software? That is really the

Re: opportunity to reunite the related communities Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-03 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 3, 2011, at 3:00 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: I am not even thinking of suggesting it, any more than I would dream of telling TDF they have to switch to another license. But I do believe there's a need to focus *in the proposal* on exactly how to sustain the consumer deliverable from

Re: opportunity to reunite the related communities Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-03 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 3, 2011, at 3:44 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 8:35 PM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: On Jun 3, 2011, at 3:00 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: I am not even thinking of suggesting it, any more than I would dream of telling TDF they have to switch to another

OOo - Lines in the sand and pre-determined conclusions...

2011-06-03 Thread Jim Jagielski
Posts such as: http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3935136/LibreOffice-340-Released-as-OpenOffice-Heads-to-Apache.htm certainly don't help. It just reinforces a perceived division as well as almost forcing the other side to take a defensive stance. It's a shame.

Re: [VOTE] Accept Apache HotdoG into the Incubator

2013-06-04 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 4, 2013, at 1:28 PM, Ramirez, Paul M (398J) paul.m.rami...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: We're looking for developers and sponsors. Sponsors?? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For

Re: [DISCUSS] Accept Stratos as an Apache Incubation Project

2013-06-13 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 12, 2013, at 7:32 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 2:10 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: It's with great pleasure that I invite the IPMC to review a new proposal [1] for the Apache Incubator. Please let us know if you have

Re: [DISCUSS] Accept Stratos as an Apache Incubation Project

2013-06-14 Thread Jim Jagielski
FWIW: IMO the Incubator still serves a crucial role in the social and legal aspects of *creating* an Apache project and community. The Probationary TLP opens us up to more risk for what I can see as no real benefit or reduction in effort or resources. Also, the unwash public is aware of the

Re: [DISCUSS] Accept Stratos as an Apache Incubation Project

2013-06-14 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 14, 2013, at 9:31 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: Thanks for your comments Jim. You will see from the archives that I share most of your concerns about probationary TLPs. However a number of IPMC members have argued strongly for the concept. To be clear, the

Re: [DISCUSS] Accept Stratos as an Apache Incubation Project

2013-06-14 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 14, 2013, at 10:42 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: * pTLP are nothing different than what existed before there was an Incubator. Yes we have more projects now. So what. We'll continue to have more projects and those will eventually graduate to TLP,

Re: [VOTE] Accept Stratos proposal as an incubating project

2013-06-16 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 14, 2013, at 5:49 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: I would like to invite the IPMC vote to accept the Stratos proposal [1]. I want to clarify that this vote is for the Stratos project to enter the incubator as a standard podling under the existing incubation

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache jclouds 1.6.1-incubating, RC3

2013-06-18 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 16, 2013, at 10:04 PM, Andrew Bayer andrew.ba...@gmail.com wrote: [ ] +1 [ ] 0 [ ] -1 (explain why) +1 (binding) /* using mvn */ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional

Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of the Incubator Ombudsman

2013-06-20 Thread Jim Jagielski
If the idea of the 'Ombudsman' is sort of like an 'elder Statesman' role as well, then I may be interested... On Jun 20, 2013, at 4:29 AM, Daniel Shahaf danie...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 01:44:14PM -0700, Dave Fisher wrote: On Jun 19, 2013, at 9:41 AM, Alan Cabrera wrote:

Re: personal expectations for ombudsman role

2013-07-01 Thread Jim Jagielski
+1 On Jul 1, 2013, at 11:27 AM, Chip Childers chip.child...@sungard.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 08:02:09AM -0700, Alan Cabrera wrote: On Jun 30, 2013, at 7:42 AM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: Now that things have settled down a bit, I'd like to talk about some of the

Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of the Incubator Ombudsman

2013-07-17 Thread Jim Jagielski
Anything ever come from this? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org

[PROPOSAL] Usergrid BaaS Stack for Apache Incubator

2013-09-16 Thread Jim Jagielski
Anglade timangl...@gmail.com (Apigee) * Todd Nine todd.n...@gmail.com (Apigee) * Jim Jagielski j...@apache.org (RedHat) == Affiliations == * Apigee * Korea Telecom * Globo.com * The Last Pickle == Sponsors == === Champion === Jim Jagielski j...@apache.org === Nominated Mentors

Re: [PROPOSAL] Usergrid BaaS Stack for Apache Incubator

2013-09-20 Thread Jim Jagielski
Start of next week I plan on starting a formal VOTE... On Sep 17, 2013, at 9:58 AM, Alex Karasulu akaras...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Lieven Govaerts lieven.govae...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP ... As I'm setting up a similar infrastructure for a mobile application

Re: [PROPOSAL] Usergrid BaaS Stack for Apache Incubator

2013-09-22 Thread Jim Jagielski
BaaS and the set of services provided by Apache Stratos (incubating) to developers of apps. I'm very happy to see this come to ASF and will be happy to mentor if you guys need another one. Cheers, Sanjiva. On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 7:09 PM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: I

Re: [PROPOSAL] Usergrid BaaS Stack for Apache Incubator

2013-09-23 Thread Jim Jagielski
misunderstanding can happen in the most innocuous ways. On Sep 22, 2013, at 6:58 PM, Sanjiva Weerawarana sanj...@wso2.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Luciano Resende luckbr1...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 8:59 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: Certainly

[VOTE] Usergrid BaaS Stack for Apache Incubator

2013-09-23 Thread Jim Jagielski
Jin sun...@softwaregeeks.org (Korea Telecom) * Tim Anglade timangl...@gmail.com (Apigee) * Todd Nine todd.n...@gmail.com (Apigee) * Jim Jagielski j...@apache.org (RedHat) == Affiliations == * Apigee * Korea Telecom * Globo.com * The Last Pickle == Sponsors == === Champion === Jim

Re: [PROPOSAL] Usergrid BaaS Stack for Apache Incubator

2013-09-23 Thread Jim Jagielski
PM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: Of course collaboration and cross-pollination is important and should be encouraged. However, I didn't want the podling to think that Stratos, at the expense of other PaaS offerings, was to be a priority. I'm sure you understand the importance

Re: [VOTE] Usergrid BaaS Stack for Apache Incubator

2013-09-23 Thread Jim Jagielski
Did you see what you replied too?? propose a vote and the subject sez [VOTE]. :) On Sep 23, 2013, at 12:03 PM, Sanjiva Weerawarana sanj...@wso2.com wrote: Are you going to start a VOTE thread? +1 in any case :-). On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 6:14 PM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote

Re: [DISCUSS] Usergrid BaaS Stack for Apache Incubator

2013-09-24 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 11:46 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: Did you see what you replied too?? propose a vote and the subject sez [VOTE]. :) It's probably an email client issue. From the `Message-Id

Re: [VOTE] Usergrid BaaS Stack for Apache Incubator

2013-09-24 Thread Jim Jagielski
Farrell jfarr...@apache.org wrote: Jim Do you need any additional mentors for this? -Jake On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: Did you see what you replied too?? propose a vote and the subject sez [VOTE]. :) On Sep 23, 2013, at 12:03 PM, Sanjiva

Re: [PROPOSAL] Usergrid BaaS Stack for Apache Incubator

2013-09-24 Thread Jim Jagielski
and different IaaSes. Nirmal Fernando, PPMC Member and Committer of Apache Stratos, Senior Software Engineer, WSO2 On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 7:09 PM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: I would like to propose Usergrid, a multi-tenant Backend-as-a-Service stack for web mobile

Re: [VOTE] Usergrid BaaS Stack for Apache Incubator

2013-09-24 Thread Jim Jagielski
+1. I'll add you to the proposal On Sep 24, 2013, at 8:54 AM, Jake Farrell jfarr...@apache.org wrote: I would be interested in helping as a mentor for Usergrid if slots are available -Jake On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 7:43 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: Sanjiva has expressed

Re: [VOTE] Usergrid BaaS Stack for Apache Incubator

2013-09-24 Thread Jim Jagielski
All done. Thx! On Sep 24, 2013, at 9:24 AM, Sanjiva Weerawarana sanj...@wso2.com wrote: Yes I was volunteering to mentor .. please add me. Sanjiva. On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 5:13 PM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: Sanjiva has expressed interest in helping out as a mentor

Re: [PROPOSAL] Usergrid BaaS Stack for Apache Incubator

2013-09-24 Thread Jim Jagielski
Added. On Sep 24, 2013, at 9:24 AM, Nirmal Fernando nirmal070...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jim, On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: No problem... usually, when someone simply sez they are interested in contributing, I take that as an indication that when

Re: [PROPOSAL] Usergrid BaaS Stack for Apache Incubator

2013-09-24 Thread Jim Jagielski
: 94112793140 | Mobile:94112793140 dulit...@gmail.com |http://dulithawijewantha.com On Sep 24, 2013, at 7:05 PM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: Added. On Sep 24, 2013, at 9:24 AM, Nirmal Fernando nirmal070...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jim, On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Jim Jagielski j

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