Daniel Rall wrote:
Berin Loritsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Pier Fumagalli wrote:
On 8/10/02 1:30 am, Jon Scott Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
on 2002/10/7 5:21 PM, Pier Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
JSPs are the root of all evil because HTMLers think to have the power
Nick Chalko wrote:
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From: Rich Persaud [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 8:26 PM
To: Jakarta General List
Subject: re[2]: Differences between Structs and Turbine ???
Preferred pain is a known pain with an experience-based cap.
New and
Pier Fumagalli wrote:
On 8/10/02 1:30 am, Jon Scott Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
on 2002/10/7 5:21 PM, Pier Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
JSPs are the root of all evil because HTMLers think to have the power (and
obligation, after a while) to blatantly destroy your entire
?
Berin, do you have any pointer/URL for the stolen bits?
Both ours and the illegal copy... I believe that we can
have someone to write to the offending party and maybe
reason with them?
Pier
Berin Loritsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have been informed by someone who felt
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
Nice to see people who are upset about Maven actually recognizing that it is
pretty cool and can be made better (have to start somewhere, right?).
Berin posted this:
Despite my comments on General@, I really like what maven offers. There
are some things that I
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 5/3/02 10:19 AM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/?group_id=36516
50 cvs actions over the life of the project?
OooAhh
And who is the hypocrite this time?
From a previous post of yours (copy
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 5/3/02 10:37 AM, Berin Loritsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 5/3/02 10:19 AM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/?group_id=36516
50 cvs actions over the life of the project?
Ooo
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Dude... is that available to other projects? Secondly, are there any
bugs stored in it? I tried to run a few queries to try it out and got
no results. I'd love to try scarab and might convince POI to use it.
But I'd rather kinda start sooner rather than later
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 5/2/02 2:54 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Centaven Reasoning: I don't see how we can easily do this. The approaches
are wildly different at basic levels, e.g. dvsl vs xsl, entities vs
external build files for ant, extending GUMPs descriptor vs
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 5/1/02 11:58 PM, Steven Noels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Which basically boils down to let's just invent our own little language
and try to get enough people bragging about it
It isn't a little language... It is Velocity templates using a well
known/used API
Michael McCallum wrote:
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I do that because I believe standards are essential - even if
'simpler' pet-solutions exist. Standards are the only way to
get people to work togheter - and DocBook, HTML, XSLT are
the standards.
Microsoft did not
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Berin Loritsch says:
There are other dirty underhanded things that M$ did to get where it
is today. Don't try to compare us to M$. We're not M$.
Whenever someone tells me how much MSFT has done for technology, I
can't help but think of how far we might have
Craig R. McClanahan wrote:
It seems to me that authors of a build environment that they want
everyone to use would think about going and asking the potential users
(i.e. committers on various other projects) what their requirements are,
before any attempt (by those authors, or by anyone
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
I hate to interrupt all the good fun over standards, bike sheds, and general
good community feelings, but I would like to solicit community opinion on
something unrelated to DVSL or Jon Stevens (both of which I like, btw...)
You're taking away all the fun :)
John McNally wrote:
On Tue, 2002-04-30 at 20:38, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On 4/30/02 11:31 PM, John McNally [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I do not know where to locate Turbine's original charter and I think it
is a good idea to try to follow it. Are these published somewhere or
should Turbine
There have been alot of talk back and forth about Maven, Krysalis
Centipede, GUMP, ANT, etc., and we are all missing some basic
points.
1) GUMP is a continuous integration tool. It is not meant to be
more than that. I find it an invaluable tool, and the information
it gives me is
Steven Noels wrote:
Berin,
How does that match up with the NIH attitude towards Krysalis?
I wasn't aware of a Jakarta/XML project named cruise control.?
Hey, this is a [EMAIL PROTECTED] discussion. For some strange
and perhaps slightly biased reason,
-Original Message-
From: Pier Fumagalli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 5:12 PM
To: Jakarta General List
Subject: Re: subproject layout conventions
Berin Loritsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Attached is a small screenshot of the maven page
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From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On 3/29/02 8:26 AM, Berin Loritsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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From: Pier Fumagalli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Berin Loritsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Attached is a small
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From: Jason van Zyl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On Thu, 2002-03-28 at 09:05, Berin Loritsch wrote:
I would definitely like to see a Maven like system across
the projects
in Jakarta--even if the main site is not altered much. It would be
good to give
-Original Message-
From: Leo Simons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
another lenghty post, so I'll start with a summary:
- color variations (and all other lf changes) should be
part of the original look-and-feel design. Giving
programmers free reign to do this spells disaster.
From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
BTW. Define: release ;-)
That sounds like former persident Bill Clinton with his
define sexual relations. Such a question insinuates
guilt, and that you are trying to find a letter of the
law loop hole to be clever about.
Lawers are like
Could we have two templates for the jakarta pages? The problem is that
the
embedded tables inside tables inside tables inside tables ... approach
of the
default template causes many very useful pages to not print nicely. We
need
a nice template that produces printable pages. That means that
van Zyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 08:39, Berin Loritsch wrote:
I tried looking at the BCEL manual, and while it looks nice on
screen, when I tried to print it out it cut off almost two
inches of
text.
Yup, that's my fault. I will remedy the situation
In that case, the entire Jakarta site needs to be redesigned.
It makes use of embedded tables and font elements. It does
not use CSS at all. We also have issues with older browsers.
Only versions 5.5 and later will support the Print stylesheet.
IE 5.5+
Netscape 6
Mozilla
Anything before that,
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From: Jon Scott Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 4:07 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Printable pages
on 3/21/02 12:57 PM, Berin Loritsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In that case, the entire Jakarta site needs
LogKit 1.0.1 Released
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The Avalon team is proud to announce the 1.0.1 final
release of LogKit.
About Avalon
The Avalon project is Apache's Java Server Framework.
It is separated into five sub projects: Framework,
Excalibur, LogKit, Cornerstone, and
Avalon Excalibur 4.1 Released
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The Avalon team is proud to announce the 4.1 final
release of the Avalon Excalibur.
About Avalon
The Avalon project is Apache's Java Server Framework.
It is separated into five sub projects: Framework,
Excalibur,
Sam Ruby wrote:
Stephane Bailliez wrote:
I can understand why:
public void setSomething(Object something){
something = something;
}
Another solution is
public void setSomething(Object something) {
this.something = something;
}
Just beware of this bug:
public void
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
Hi Rob,
It is indeed a great idea. However, the two editors given credit at the
bottom of the url you posted are Sun employee's who get paid to do the job
so they don't really count as 'volunteers'.
:) This is true.
The Jakarta project has plenty of great
Peter Donald wrote:
Hi,
The advantage of XML for changelogs is that is easier to generate the
ChangeLog in whatever format you want. For instance Avalon generates HTML
(same format as cactus changelog), GNUs format and a lite text format. We
even use it it when generating our
Ted Husted wrote:
On a similar note, has anyone started a format for a XML Status file,
like the one described here:
BTW, the Avalon team decided to abandon maintaining a separate TODO file
in favor of using BugZilla for the same thing. It is less likely to be
lost in the shuffle, thanks to
Avalon Framework 4.1 Released
-
The Avalon team is proud to announce the 4.1 final
release of the Avalon Framework.
About Avalon
The Avalon project is Apache's Java Server Framework.
It is separated into five sub projects: Framework,
Excalibur,
lloyd wrote:
Wow. It would be really great if you wrote an email that made some logical
Having lurked on this list for awhile, I'd say it would be great if you
could get through one e-mail exchange without being an asshole.
Not again.
People, even if you don't like Jon, can we just let
Guillaume Rousse wrote:
Ainsi parlait Kasper Nielsen :
so this is an US export law issue and not a Sun License issue?
I think so. It would be possible to distribute it but it would take a lot
of
work to get all paper work done and I think there was other conditions
(ie
In Avalon Excalibur, we want to make our Connection Pooling code
future compatible with JDK 1.4. We currently do it with conditional
compiling, and renaming some classes. I find this to be a clumsy
solution, and leads to questions from people not familiar with the
build process. Almost all the
Sam Ruby wrote:
Berin Loritsch wrote:
public class java.sql.SavePoint {}
Sun guards the java.* classes jealously, and I need to know if this
is really a solution.
What Sun generally tries to do is to stop people from extending or
subsetting the full API. What you are describing
Avalon Phoenix 4.0a1 Released
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The Avalon team is proud to announce the 4.0a1 alpha
release of Avalon Phoenix.
About Avalon
The Avalon project is Apache's Java Server Framework.
It is separated into five sub projects: Framework,
Excalibur, LogKit,
I propose that we all use a standard target convention for
all Ant based projects. This is something that helps adopters
of GNU software all over. A person who has never seen GNOME
or GCC knows they can compile it by running ./configure
and make all check install. These conventions make it
The Alexandria project with Gump, Maveric, et. al.
are doing a great job of keeping all the builds working
with each other. It also helps with notifying projects
of changes in the API.
But there hasn't been any official documentation or requests
for target naming conventions like I just
Kevin A. Burton wrote:
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Jon Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-6839693.html?tag=mn_hd
snip
I hate this!
Sun called on consumers to demand that Microsoft include the Java platform in
their XP
Kevin A. Burton wrote:
What I would like to see is something *better* than the JCP. I believe in
open research. OSS fits a great many needs, but there are some key points in
Free Software (GPL/LGPL) that I don't necessarily agree with.
I don't think that *anyone* should have problems
Alex Fernández wrote:
Hi Berin!
Berin Loritsch wrote:
Kevin A. Burton wrote:
I hate this!
Sun called on consumers to demand that Microsoft include the Java platform in
their XP operating system. Sun also said consumers should demand PC vendors
like Dell, Compaq, Gateway
Geoff Soutter wrote:
Isn't Web Services basically just the EDI concept with a trendy new name?
Applications have been talking to each other across company boundaries since
the 80's after all.
Just ask the car makers who've done all their purchasing, etc via web
services for aeons ...
Peter Donald wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2001 09:29, Geoff Soutter wrote:
Another key
difference is the emphasis on ubiquity.
Yes, seems to me this one of the main difference (apart from the
marketing aspects). This comes from using a public, free network rather
than private, fee based
Sam Ruby wrote:
Jon Stevens wrote:
Can someone explain to me what the heck web services are so that I can
decide whether or not this is even worthwhile to learn about?
http://sdc.sun.com/briefings/agenda.cgi?eventkey=5100
I'm guessing it is fancy marketing foo about SOAP/XML-RPC
Jon Stevens wrote:
on 8/8/01 9:59 AM, Berin Loritsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
All the stuff I've read about for WebServices comprise
UDDI, SOAP, and WSDL.
The three combined provide a way to automatically discover remote resources
that my webapp can use and then actually use
Umar Syyid wrote:
Hi Berin,
Berin Loritsch wrote:
The compelling example that was given in WSDJ was a very simple web service to
find out how much any book from Borders would cost in any currency. The cool
part of SOAP and therefore WS is the support for transactions. You can
Cedric Berger wrote:
Ceki Gülcü wrote:
Cedric,
Please see
http://jakarta.apache.org/log4j/docs/critique.html
and
http://jakarta.apache.org/log4j/docs/critique2.html
before jumping to conclusions. Regards, Ceki
Great, thanks for posting that new (critique2)
Cedric Berger wrote:
Tal Dayan wrote:
We plan to add a logger to one of our products and we are not sure
which one to use.
If you want to try the JDK 1.4 logging for older JDK:
http://www.javelinsoft.com/jlogger/
Too bad I can't use it with JDK 1.3 (check Ceki's new critique
Avalon Framework 4.0 Released
-
The Avalon team is proud to announce the 4.0 final
release of the Avalon Framework.
About Avalon
The Avalon project is Apache's Java Server Framework.
It is separated into six sub projects: Framework,
Excalibur,
Pier P. Fumagalli wrote:
Avi Cherry at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Looks like we just got a copy of the new Outlook Trojan horse.
Shields up, everybody. At least if you run Outlook and are dumb
enough to double-click on random attachments in your emails. :-)
There was no attachment
I have been looking through JDK 1.4, and there are a few
instances where what is included in the JDK steps on some
of our projects. Most notably:
java.util.logging
-
Ceki has already made us aware of that and listed his
greivances. I am not happy with the official JDK logger
Alex Fernández wrote:
I read 12 fallacies and flaws in 5 sentences:
06- in the public domain was the term used 20 years ago for open
source. Not useful any more.
Not entirely accurate. Public Domain is a copyright law term referring to a
published work where the copyright has
Peter Donald wrote:
At 10:03 AM 6/7/01 -0400, Berin Loritsch wrote:
Alex Fernández wrote:
I read 12 fallacies and flaws in 5 sentences:
06- in the public domain was the term used 20 years ago for open
source. Not useful any more.
Not entirely accurate. Public Domain
The Avalon team announces the beta 3 release of Avalon
Framework and Excalibur 4.0. This release includes a serious
bug fix in Excalibur's Component Management infrastructure.
If you have downloaded Avalon 4.0 beta 2, then you are
encouraged to upgrade. The bug only affects users of the
bill parducci wrote:
kicking around the apache web site i noticed that jakarta uses the basic
apache logo. since many of the projects seem to have their own logos i
figured i would give it a shot to see what i came up with. here is what
i did:
http://www.pier64.com/jakarta.jpg
if
The Avalon team are proud to annound the beta 2 release
of Avalon Framework and Excalibur 4.0 and Avalon LogKit 1.0.
This release includes bugfixes and more current documentation.
The Avalon project is Apache's Java Server Framework. It is
separated into six sub projects: Framework, Excalibur,
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