On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 16:49 -0600, Brian Harring wrote:
Hola all-
Got us a new dev to harass, mentored by ribosome, and helping out in
the scientific herd- quantum chemistry, and molecular dynamics
packages, subjects that have have the potential to cause
cereberal hemorrhaging :)
We
On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 12:42:47AM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Read the list of requirements in the GLEP. The plain text solution
meets all of them. XML fails on several.
And, incidentally, I came up with the requirements list *before*
dismissing XML.
Sorry, but this is too funny.
You
On Friday 04 November 2005 03:10, Nathan L. Adams wrote:
Stuart Herbert wrote:
On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 14:51 -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
Did you specifically ask them if it is because we have different
news in different locations? Somehow I think you're obscuring
some facts to make your
[[ACK! I sent this out from the wrong address before. Hope you don't get it
twice!]]
On Thursday 03 November 2005 21:44, Nathan L. Adams wrote:
No, I happen to understand the that point. Emerge outputting a short
summary is great. But the GLEP should cover the hey mr. end user, the
central
On Friday 04 November 2005 02:24, Nathan L. Adams wrote:
I have read it, and I find it lacking; thus the comments. Or are you
claiming that the idea of having a central website like errata.g.o with
GuideXML-ized migrations guides is in your GLEP? Its not. I'm proposing
adding that as the
On Friday 04 November 2005 02:36, Nathan L. Adams wrote:
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
I don't have a web browser installed on my server. Do you?
So you installed your server without reading *any* documenation? (Don't
lie). And you expect that the average user installs a Gentoo server
without at
On Friday 04 November 2005 02:43, Nathan L. Adams wrote:
Brian Harring wrote:
Not necessarily the website imo, some central store where it's pushed
out to all of the locations though (which I suspect you're getting
at).
I forgot to clarify one point. I'm saying that http://errata.g.o/
On Friday 04 November 2005 02:52, Nathan L. Adams wrote:
Let me say it one more time. I'm not saying you have to have a web
browser installed on the system that you are updating or installing.
I'm saying that the GuideXML docs are the standard, official source of
documentation and the same
On Friday 04 November 2005 09:32, John Myers wrote:
[[ACK! I sent this out from the wrong address before. Hope you don't
get it twice!]]
On Thursday 03 November 2005 21:44, Nathan L. Adams wrote:
No, I happen to understand the that point. Emerge outputting a short
summary is great. But the
On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 19:29 -0500, Nathan L. Adams wrote:
rant
You're just missing the fact that a flat file (or whatever it is you're
clinging to; for the purpose of this rant, I shall refer to your simple
data format as flat file) has trade-offs, just like XML's trade off is
parsing
Paul de Vrieze wrote:
Oh god help. This also points to another reason why this is not such a
good idea. Writing guideXML is a lot more work than writing an e-mail
format file (ciaran's proposed format for those who didn't recognize it).
Also having double files containing the same
erm, and how exactly do you propose that the user who
doesn't-read-the-site-because-it-has-no-useful-information-currently
will learn about errata.g.o?
On 11/3/05, Nathan L. Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Brian Harring wrote:
Not necessarily the
Also if Luca already told of drip going away, I tried to safe it removing just
the version hardly depending on divx4linux. Unfortunately drip has still
problems, deps on avifile and GNOME 1.x, and it seems to be unmaintained.
It's masked now and pending removal for next week. If you want DVD
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Paul de Vrieze wrote:
What is worse is that some
users might not update for a prolongued time (6 months). At that time
they will not find the information in the erata list anymore. But they
will get the RELEVANT news delivered by emerge/enews.
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Thierry Carrez wrote:
Paul de Vrieze wrote:
Oh god help. This also points to another reason why this is not such a
good idea. Writing guideXML is a lot more work than writing an e-mail
format file (ciaran's proposed format for those who didn't
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 19:33:37 +0100 Jan Kundrát [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| Once this tool is implemented and well tested it can be integrated
| into portage.
can ! will. It might, but don't count on it.
| GLSA already contains stuff for marking items as valid only for
Thierry Carrez wrote:
Paul de Vrieze wrote:
Oh god help. This also points to another reason why this is not such a
good idea. Writing guideXML is a lot more work than writing an e-mail
format file (ciaran's proposed format for those who didn't recognize it).
Also having double files
Nathan L. Adams wrote:
One source: http://errata.gentoo.org/
Push that out to as many alternate sources as you like (RSS feeds,
summaries in emerge --news, forums post, etc.), but make it known that
the website is *the* source (your alternate sources should point back to
it).
I beg to differ.
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
News Item Source
News items are to be made available via the Portage tree. This removes any
need for polling of a remote source.
A new directory, ``news/``, will be created in the main tree. Commit access
to this directory will be handled in the
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Chris Gianelloni wrote:
On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 20:24 -0500, Nathan L. Adams wrote:
*ALL* of the official docs are GuideXML; Gentoo *expects* users to have
a web browser by default. Otherwise a vast majority of users would never
get Gentoo installed
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Chris Gianelloni wrote:
On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 20:36 -0500, Nathan L. Adams wrote:
So you installed your server without reading *any* documenation? (Don't
lie). And you expect that the average user installs a Gentoo server
without at least
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Nathan L. Adams schrieb:
| 6. Ciaran is completely biased against XML (or anything that isn't
| stored as a simple flat file) ;)
On the other hand one could say that there are Gentoo-Devs which are
biased against anything that can work without using
On Fri, 2005-11-04 at 10:58 -0500, Nathan L. Adams wrote:
I've done several Gentoo installs and never knew the plain text versions
existed. I think you might want to check the assumption that just
because they exists they are widely known (and if they aren't known to
exist, they don't do squat
On Friday 04 November 2005 23:26, Xavier Neys wrote:
Nathan L. Adams wrote:
One source: http://errata.gentoo.org/
Push that out to as many alternate sources as you like (RSS feeds,
summaries in emerge --news, forums post, etc.), but make it known that
the website is *the* source (your
On Fri, 2005-11-04 at 11:05 -0500, Nathan L. Adams wrote:
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Chris Gianelloni wrote:
On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 20:36 -0500, Nathan L. Adams wrote:
So you installed your server without reading *any* documenation? (Don't
lie). And you expect that
Danny van Dyk wrote:
IMHO a text based file has a big advantage in this proposed application
over fileformats which use XML: Any administrator can read it with his
editor of choice, right from the console.
This is an important aspect for sure, but why can't such file be
generated from a
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Chris Gianelloni wrote:
On Fri, 2005-11-04 at 10:58 -0500, Nathan L. Adams wrote:
I've done several Gentoo installs and never knew the plain text versions
existed. I think you might want to check the assumption that just
because they exists they
Nathan L. Adams wrote:
It is listed in the MOTD on the installation media. I'm not making any
assumptions on this. It's really not our fault when the user base
doesn't read what is sitting in front of them, plainly on the screen.
Thank you for proving my point.
And what point would that
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Chris Gianelloni wrote:
Yeah, see, this is a case where not understanding the structure of
Gentoo gives you the wrong impression. The GDP's policy applies to the
GDP. That is not a global developer policy of any kind. It is a policy
by a
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Grobian wrote:
Danny van Dyk wrote:
IMHO a text based file has a big advantage in this proposed application
over fileformats which use XML: Any administrator can read it with his
editor of choice, right from the console.
This is an
On Fri, 2005-11-04 at 12:08 -0500, Nathan L. Adams wrote:
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Chris Gianelloni wrote:
Yeah, see, this is a case where not understanding the structure of
Gentoo gives you the wrong impression. The GDP's policy applies to the
GDP. That is not
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Lisa Seelye wrote:
| We have quantum chemistry and molecular dynamics packages?
Sure we do. I've been maintaining most of them, and it's been great to
see more packages showing up recently (and more help, too).
Donnie
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On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 08:37:16 -0600 Lance Albertson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| Could we possibly use a system thats a mix of how GLSA's and GLEP's
| are handled currently?
Sure, if that makes sense from an infra perspective.
| Perhaps we could do the same for the news item where they actually
|
Jason Stubbs wrote:
On Friday 04 November 2005 23:26, Xavier Neys wrote:
Nathan L. Adams wrote:
One source: http://errata.gentoo.org/
Push that out to as many alternate sources as you like (RSS feeds,
summaries in emerge --news, forums post, etc.), but make it known that
the website is
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Xavier Neys schrieb:
| Discarding XML for the reasons some are using is like recommending
| key=value flat .ini files because windows used it in the 80s.
| They have to be parsed as well, and, as opposed to XML, you have to
| check for unknown keys,
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 08:37:16 -0600 Lance Albertson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| Could we possibly use a system thats a mix of how GLSA's and GLEP's
| are handled currently?
Sure, if that makes sense from an infra perspective.
Yes, I would prefer a standardish way to
On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 13:12:17 -0600 Lance Albertson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| If however, we think its better to have a totally separate vhost like
| errata, we can be more flexible on the format we use to display. All
| I'm after from an infra POV is something simple for us to manage and
| scale.
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:42:51 + Tom Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| There are currently 1066 open bugs assigned to
| [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|
| Could everyone please take a moment to scan through them?
Here's a more useful list. It's a summary of the maintainer-wanted
Hi,
On Fri, 2005-11-04 at 07:41 +0100, Rene Zbinden wrote:
I am writing an eubild for an webapplication (wiki) and there are a lot
of themes available. I write an ebuild for these themes. Now my question
is where do I install these themes so that webapp-config handles them
correctly.
We
On Friday 04 of November 2005 19:39 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 15:26:28 +0100 Xavier Neys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| Oh? Our GuideXML to HTML conversion is thousands of lines of code...
|
| Plain wrong, but you have always made it clear that you are not only
| biased against
For simple translations? No.
For translations that span the same bredth (old version checking is
probably going to be fairly needed if we used xml as a main version,
and all other pretifying stuff is necessary.
On 11/4/05, Jan Kundrát [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Friday 04 of November 2005 19:39
On Friday 04 of November 2005 03:30 Luis F. Araujo wrote:
The point is not about havig access to a web browser, but to have it
installed in the respective box reading news.
Nope, I'd substitute in the respective box with on the box that you're
doing administrative tasks from. I rarely use
On Friday 04 of November 2005 02:50 Lance Albertson wrote:
After reading through the heated thread, I have yet to see your valid
point of pushing xml for such a simple task. All I have seen is two 3rd
grade kids arguing over a swing set. Please give some calm reasons for
your opinion instead
On Friday 04 of November 2005 19:48 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Also, you'd need to prod the docs guys to remove some of the annoying
chapter / section restrictions if you want to use guidexml as a
generated format for news items. It's hard enough mapping GLEPs onto
that...
Danny van Dyk wrote:
Xavier Neys schrieb:
| Discarding XML for the reasons some are using is like recommending
| key=value flat .ini files because windows used it in the 80s.
| They have to be parsed as well, and, as opposed to XML, you have to
| check for unknown keys, double keys, missing
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 15:26:28 +0100 Xavier Neys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| Oh? Our GuideXML to HTML conversion is thousands of lines of code...
|
| Plain wrong, but you have always made it clear that you are not only
| biased against XML for anything, but also very much
Attached is a substantially reworked draft. I've restructured the whole
thing, fleshed it out in places, clarified some parts and incorporated
the useful stuff from previous discussions.
Note: this is now GLEP 42 as allocated by Grant. AFAIK ChrisWhite's GLEP
of the same number never made it to
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Xavier Neys schrieb:
| Danny van Dyk wrote:
|
| Xavier Neys schrieb:
| | Discarding XML for the reasons some are using is like recommending
| | key=value flat .ini files because windows used it in the 80s.
| | They have to be parsed as well, and, as
``Content-Type:``
Must be ``text/plain``. Mandatory.
Why have this header at all then?
``Posted:``
Date of posting, in ``dd-mmm-`` format (e.g. 14-Aug-2001). UTC time in
``hh-mm-ss +`` format may also be included. This field is mandatory.
How will prescendse be handled if two
On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 20:44:13 -0500 Dan Meltzer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| ``Content-Type:``
|Must be ``text/plain``. Mandatory.
|
| Why have this header at all then?
Forwards compatibility.
|``Posted:``
|Date of posting, in ``dd-mmm-`` format (e.g. 14-Aug-2001).
| UTC time in
Jason Stubbs wrote:
On Saturday 05 November 2005 03:53, Alec Joseph Warner wrote:
As far as including news in the tree goes, news is repository bound
information. Each repository may in fact have relevant news, and in
preparation for multiple repositories this is how the news should be
On Friday 04 November 2005 04:30, Thomas de Grenier de Latour wrote:
On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 01:19:35 +0900
Jason Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
package.env would be a list of atom file [file ...]
...
With a couple of small modifications to emerge to check FEATURES
for buildpkg after the
On Sat, Nov 05, 2005 at 01:55:35AM +0900, Jason Stubbs wrote:
On Friday 04 November 2005 22:33, Marius Mauch wrote:
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 23:14:20 -0800 Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| emerge -pv package
|
| would actually continue listing (modified
On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 11:19:51 -0800 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| I swear you have got to be just about the most negative pessimistic
| whining poster on this list.
Yeah, he's like those silly scientist guys who go around asking pesky
questions when someone proposes that an anti-nuclear-missile shield
On Sat, 2005-05-11 at 01:55 +0900, Jason Stubbs wrote:
On Friday 04 November 2005 22:33, Marius Mauch wrote:
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 23:14:20 -0800 Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| emerge -pv package
|
| would actually continue listing (modified normal)after
On Saturday 05 November 2005 04:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Nov 05, 2005 at 03:44:30AM +0900, Jason Stubbs wrote:
Nobody else has shown a real example, why should I?
...
I am focusing on what it could do. I stated all the options in my
previous email.
...
To restate: How
So... the cache rewrite is in svn now.
Will nuke UNUSED_* next day or so, wanted to get the subsystem in
before tweaking it further.
~harring
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