Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.

2006-08-25 Thread Robert Cernansky
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 19:34:27 +0200 Andrej Kacian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 18:42:27 +0200 > Robert Cernansky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > mpd (and xmms2) is just a server that is responsible for music playback, > functionality such as xosd notification can be provided

Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.

2006-08-25 Thread Robert Cernansky
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 14:46:58 -0400 Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Robert Cernansky wrote: > > > > What bothers me also, is that it has not plugin design like > > xmms. Support for plugins is very good because lot of people can > > write plugins for lot of things. This is why people do n

Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-08-25 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 22:36 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > As Weeve said, he's still trying to get people to stop breaking SPARC > keywords, just like 3 years ago. It's just when trying to do anything > larger than a single project that you run into issues. As an aside, this has long been the fun

[gentoo-dev] Last Rites app-pda/rapip

2006-08-25 Thread Alastair Tse
Hi all, app-pda/rapip has been masked and is pending removal from the portage tree. Upstream has stopped maintaining this and I believe that kpilot and others are a good replacement for it. Due to the lack of man power and my general lack of interest with anything that requires KDE, I am removing

Re: [gentoo-dev] Coda file system needs new maintainer

2006-08-25 Thread Maurice van der Pot
On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 01:58:05PM +0200, Enrico Weigelt wrote: > I've got switching my nfs installations to coda for right some > time, and so I'd offer to maintain the package. Actually I'm looking for a Gentoo developer to take over maintenance. Maurice. -- Maurice van der Pot Gentoo Linux

Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.

2006-08-25 Thread Christian Birchinger
On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 03:53:09PM +0200, Robert Cernansky wrote: > Unfortunatelly this is something different. xmm-pipe lets you control > running xmms from commandline (thus binding these commands to > keys). It allows control volume, skipping in current track (fast > forward), do some playlist a

Re: [gentoo-dev] mulltiib cruft: /emul

2006-08-25 Thread Herbie Hopkins
On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 04:58:02PM -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > Don't forget that this will require an update to (at least) > eselect-opengl, too. Actually I'm not sure it would. eselect-opengl currently checks /usr/lib[,64,32]/opengl/ for 32bit opengl libs libs and only finds the emul libs si

Re: [gentoo-dev] Asking permissions for package substitution -kover to koverartist

2006-08-25 Thread Matteo Azzali
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > Are they configuration-file compatible, including the location of said > configuration files? > > [homedir]/.kde3.5/share/config/koverartistrc is obviously different from [homedir]/.kde3.5/share/config/koverrc (both path and contents), but it doesn't needs manual interve

[gentoo-dev] Re: Future of tetex

2006-08-25 Thread Gabriel Lavoie
I have been busy all the summer! Is there any news about the TeXLive ebuild? About the texmf tree, is there really many packages that would be included in each distributions? Would a modular ebuild system like the one used by Gnome (emerge gnome and emerge gnome-lite) and X.org would be nice for T

Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-08-25 Thread Mike Bonar
Daniel Ostrow wrote: On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 17:26 -0400, Michael Cummings wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stuart Herbert wrote: > We've had a global vision for where Gentoo is going from before I joined - Gentoo is here to create a source-based distribution where e

Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-08-25 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 22:36 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 14:00 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > >> Oh, gimme a break. Screaming about it on -dev for hundreds of posts > >> isn't just equivalent to a vote, it's better. It makes people think > >>

Re: [gentoo-dev] mulltiib cruft: /emul

2006-08-25 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Fri, 2006-08-25 at 13:26 +0100, Herbie Hopkins wrote: > On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 04:58:02PM -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > Don't forget that this will require an update to (at least) > > eselect-opengl, too. > > Actually I'm not sure it would. eselect-opengl currently checks > /usr/lib[,64,3

Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-08-25 Thread Mike Doty
Chris Gianelloni wrote: [snip] How do you kick someone out of a project? Currently, I know of no way to do so. It's at the leads discretion. For amd64 me and my OP leads talk it over and make a decision. I suspect that most leads simply don't have the balls to remove someone. It's not an e

Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-08-25 Thread Luca Barbato
Mike Doty wrote: > Chris Gianelloni wrote: > [snip] >> How do you kick someone out of a project? Currently, I know of no way >> to do so. > > It's at the leads discretion. For amd64 me and my OP leads talk it over > and make a decision. I suspect that most leads simply don't have the > balls to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-08-25 Thread Wernfried Haas
On Fri, Aug 25, 2006 at 11:45:36AM -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > As Weeve said, he's still trying to get people to stop breaking SPARC > > keywords, just like 3 years ago. It's just when trying to do anything > > larger than a single project that you run into issues. > > People that do this s

Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-08-25 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 18:25:53 +0200 Wernfried Haas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | So if by breaking the keyword someone breaks a policy, it is something | devrel should and will deal with. Should, sure. Care to back up the will part? -- Ciaran McCreesh Mail: ciaran dot mccreesh at bluey

[gentoo-dev] Re: Future of tetex

2006-08-25 Thread Christian 'Opfer' Faulhammer
Tach Gabriel, 0x2B859DE3 (PGP-PK-ID) Gabriel Lavoie schrieb: > About the texmf tree, is there really many packages that would be > included in each distributions? Would a modular ebuild system like the > one used by Gnome (emerge gnome and emerge gnome-lite) and X.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-08-25 Thread Wernfried Haas
On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 06:29:03PM -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > Quite frankly, I think that with a properly run community, there should > be no need for a "Developer Relations" project, since it should be > mostly self-policing. With 300+ people, i severely doubt self policing would work. I as

Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.

2006-08-25 Thread Steve Dibb
So, I'm curious -- did anyone ever come to a decision what to do on the matter? The list traffic seems to be dying down. Maybe I just missed the final decision email. Not that it really matters, but here's my 2 cents: If its a pita to maintain, hard mask everything and just say "sorry, no b

Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-08-25 Thread Wernfried Haas
On Fri, Aug 25, 2006 at 05:35:53PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 18:25:53 +0200 Wernfried Haas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > | So if by breaking the keyword someone breaks a policy, it is something > | devrel should and will deal with. > > Should, sure. Care to back up the w

Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-08-25 Thread Lance Albertson
Wernfried Haas wrote: > On Fri, Aug 25, 2006 at 05:35:53PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >> On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 18:25:53 +0200 Wernfried Haas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> | So if by breaking the keyword someone breaks a policy, it is something >> | devrel should and will deal with. >> >> Should

Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-08-25 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Fri, 2006-08-25 at 19:13 +0200, Wernfried Haas wrote: > On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 06:29:03PM -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > Quite frankly, I think that with a properly run community, there should > > be no need for a "Developer Relations" project, since it should be > > mostly self-policing. >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-08-25 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Fri, 2006-08-25 at 19:27 +0200, Wernfried Haas wrote: > What i can assure you is that there is a policy that says so, and that > policies are there to be followed. I thought that you'd been around long enough to laugh at this one, yourself. Sure the policies are there to be followed. That doe

[gentoo-dev] Re: Xmms needs to die.

2006-08-25 Thread Duncan
Steve Dibb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Fri, 25 Aug 2006 11:20:52 -0600: > So, I'm curious -- did anyone ever come to a decision what to do on the > matter? The list traffic seems to be dying down. Maybe I just missed > the final decision email. Well, no

Re: [gentoo-dev] Removing dev-perl/Test-Builder-Tester

2006-08-25 Thread Michael Cummings
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Cummings wrote: > This package was absorbed back into perl-core/Test-Simple as of the 0.62 > release (which you have either via dev-lang/perl-5.8.8 or as the ebuild > at this point). I'm package.mask'ing it and will be removing it from the > tr

Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-08-25 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 8/24/06, Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A distribution is more than just an entity that packages upstream tarballs. I agree with your point, but it misses a large chunk of what we do. We do more than that, sure, but the vast majority of the day to day work in Gentoo is exactly th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-08-25 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 8/24/06, Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A distribution is more than just an entity that packages upstream tarballs. I agree with your point, but it misses a large chunk of what we do. We do more than that, sure, but the vast majority of the day to day work in Gentoo is exactly th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-08-25 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 20:41:16 +0100 "Stuart Herbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Seriously - what exactly is this enormous brick wall that folks need | a boost from management to climb over? 1. Portage. 2. Tree QA. 3. www.g.o. Those three should get you started. -- Ciaran McCreesh Mail

Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-08-25 Thread Grant Goodyear
Chris Gianelloni wrote: [Fri Aug 25 2006, 01:35:53PM CDT] > See, you missed that we're talking with the idea of people belonging to > a project. If you work on my project and quit, I'll know. If you go > AWOL, I'll know. I can then simply ask Infra to remove your access. It > really should be t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Coda file system needs new maintainer

2006-08-25 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Maurice van der Pot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 01:58:05PM +0200, Enrico Weigelt wrote: > > I've got switching my nfs installations to coda for right some > > time, and so I'd offer to maintain the package. > > Actually I'm looking for a Gentoo developer to take over m

Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.

2006-08-25 Thread Alec Warner
Steve Dibb wrote: > So, I'm curious -- did anyone ever come to a decision what to do on the > matter? The list traffic seems to be dying down. Maybe I just missed > the final decision email. > > Not that it really matters, but here's my 2 cents: > > If its a pita to maintain, hard mask everythi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.

2006-08-25 Thread Luis Medinas
On Fri, 2006-08-25 at 16:49 -0400, Alec Warner wrote: > I don't see how whining about a package you don't maintain, nor helping > out with it helps anyone. Either it stays in pmask, or it stays in > sunrise (since I would bet 5 bucks it ends up in sunrise after getting > punted). The sound team h

Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-08-25 Thread Alec Warner
Donnie Berkholz wrote: > > From what I see, projects are pretty free to govern themselves. How do > you see it differently? > > As Weeve said, he's still trying to get people to stop breaking SPARC > keywords, just like 3 years ago. It's just when trying to do anything > larger than a single proj

Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-08-25 Thread Alec Warner
> PORTAGE: > Portage developers are afraid to put anything new in the tree for fear > of breaking things (and somewhat rightly so). But as noted, it also > means you get new stuff very infrequently. > > I think the portage team has either done a poor job of bringing their > issues to the table;

Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-08-25 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Chris Gianelloni wrote: > On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 22:36 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: >> From what I see, projects are pretty free to govern themselves. How do >> you see it differently? > > How do you kick someone out of a project? Currently, I know of no way > to do so. > > What process is requi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-08-25 Thread Wernfried Haas
On Fri, Aug 25, 2006 at 01:19:41PM -0500, Lance Albertson wrote: > Wernfried Haas wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 25, 2006 at 05:35:53PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > >> On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 18:25:53 +0200 Wernfried Haas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> wrote: > >> | So if by breaking the keyword someone breaks a

[gentoo-dev] freenet6

2006-08-25 Thread Alec Warner
For all 2 of the users of freenet6, I mistakenly removed it today and then restored it to cvs. Between the deletion and restoration there was a cvs->rsync run, so it may be broken for a sliver of time. Hopefully if should be fixed now. Sorry for my mistake, I had cvs rm'd the files and then chec

[gentoo-dev] TreeCleaner [Cleanings]

2006-08-25 Thread Alec Warner
app-emulation/pose and net-misc/bidwatcher were punted today. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

[gentoo-dev] treecleaner maskings

2006-08-25 Thread Alec Warner
# Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (26 Aug 2006) # Masking dev-lang/sather for treecleaners and bug(s) # 79391 # Sept 26th for removal dev-lang/sather # Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (26 Aug 2006) # Masking app-text/hspell for treecleaners and bug(s) # 77751 # Sept 26th for removal app-test/hspel