On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 19:26 +0530, Andrew Cowie wrote:
> On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 21:32 +0200, Alexandre Buisse wrote:
> > as everyone probably noticed, there is a current atmosphere of sinking ship,
> > with quite a lot of people leaving and many agreeing that gentoo is no fun
> > working on anymore.
On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 21:32 +0200, Alexandre Buisse wrote:
> as everyone probably noticed, there is a current atmosphere of sinking ship,
> with quite a lot of people leaving and many agreeing that gentoo is no fun
> working on anymore. Before it's too late, I'd like to propose a big
> reformation
On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:11:33 -0400
Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I think a lot of the problems with those other distributions and
> > their 3rd party repositories is related to the fact that they are
> > binary-based distributions and we are not.
>
> ever put that to the test and b
On Wednesday 11 April 2007, Brandon Edens wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 12:59:35AM +0200, Marius Mauch wrote:
> > On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:32:49 +0200
> > Alexandre Buisse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > > Please criticize this with everything constructive you > can think of.
> >
On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 12:59:35AM +0200, Marius Mauch wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:32:49 +0200
> Alexandre Buisse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> [snip]
> > Please criticize this with everything constructive you > can think of.
>
> This idea of putting almost everything into its own repo/over
On Wed, 2007-04-11 at 11:25 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> This is not artificial, it's based upon the size of groups people can
> effectively work in. George has posted on this a number of times. I
> suspect this is a major contributor to the ineffectiveness of -dev recently.
I tend to agree.
On Wed, 2007-04-11 at 20:37 +0200, Jan Kundrát wrote:
> Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> > What "news" exactly? That catalyst still supports a code branch it's
> > had for some time now? *grin* There's nothing "new" to report.
>
> I've been around for two years and have never heard anything about
> st
Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> What "news" exactly? That catalyst still supports a code branch it's
> had for some time now? *grin* There's nothing "new" to report.
I've been around for two years and have never heard anything about
stage4. If it's been discussed on this list before that time, I
apol
Chris Gianelloni wrote:
Why bother restructuring, then? Why not just dump the gentoo-dev
mailing list entirely and have everyone use the individual project lists
that already exist for intra-project communications and have no official
facility for inter-project or global issues. This sounds lik
On Wednesday 11 April 2007, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> Personally, I'd prefer we fix the stuff and simply inform the
> maintainers, rather than force them to have to do the work as some form
> of punishment for not following policy close enough. ;]
i drop notes to gentoo-dev when doing mass change
On Wed, 2007-04-11 at 17:45 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:31:01 -0400
> Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > That's really the point here. You should *never* have to contact the
> > maintainer first for minor QA issues like changing something as simple
> > as "i
On Wed, 2007-04-11 at 17:15 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:04:15 -0400
> Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Just because stuff isn't maintained doesn't mean that it's not being
> > > used, and if it's not broken I fail to see why it should be removed.
> >
> >
On Wed, 2007-04-11 at 18:13 +0200, Jan Kundrát wrote:
> Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> > Wow. I'm glad to see that yet another thing I spend so much time
> > working on is marginalized or otherwise discounted because someone
> > couldn't take 3 seconds to check their facts before making a post. The
>
On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:31:01 -0400
Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That's really the point here. You should *never* have to contact the
> maintainer first for minor QA issues like changing something as simple
> as "insinto /etc/env.d ; doins $somefile" into "doenvd $somefile" or
> fi
On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:21:05 -0400
Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-04-11 at 00:59 +0200, Marius Mauch wrote:
> > I like the part about projects being self-organizing, but splitting up the
> > tree is a no go from my POV.
>
> Are they not already?
Mostly yes.
> Aside
On Wed, 2007-04-11 at 20:02 +0700, Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy wrote:
> > I tend to agree that this is a problem, but only insofar as we've become
> > too territorial. Many times I see bugs filed with seemingly minor
> > changes being asked for. A good example is bug #173884 which is a
> > completely va
On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:04:15 -0400
Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Just because stuff isn't maintained doesn't mean that it's not being
> > used, and if it's not broken I fail to see why it should be removed.
>
> I've seen many times people say "well, this hasn't been touched
> sin
Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> Wow. I'm glad to see that yet another thing I spend so much time
> working on is marginalized or otherwise discounted because someone
> couldn't take 3 seconds to check their facts before making a post. The
> stage4 concept is alive and kicking. It is one of the targets
On Wed, 2007-04-11 at 00:11 +0100, Charlie Shepherd wrote:
> > some want it to be bleeding-edge
>
> I think you'd struggle to get Gentoo to stop being on the bleeding edge :)
I'm pretty sure we're more cutting edge and less bleeding edge these
days. We've slowed down quite a bit simply due to sh
On Wed, 2007-04-11 at 00:59 +0200, Marius Mauch wrote:
> I like the part about projects being self-organizing, but splitting up the
> tree is a no go from my POV.
Are they not already?
Aside from the global requirements on what it takes to be a developer,
projects are able to recruit anyone that
On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 23:11 +0200, Alexandre Buisse wrote:
> Sorry about that, I should have taken the time to look it up. Since I
> didn't hear about it after Stuart leaved, I assumed no one was working
> on it anymore.
Stuart's work had nothing to do with the implementation of stage4. His
work
On Wed, 2007-04-11 at 00:41 +0300, Petteri Räty wrote:
> Chris Gianelloni kirjoitti:
> > On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 22:50 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> it's just so easy to step on other
> >> ppls feet these days ;)
> >
> > I tend to agree that this is a problem, but only insofar as we've become
On 4/11/07, Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 22:50 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> it's just so easy to step on other
> ppls feet these days ;)
I tend to agree that this is a problem, but only insofar as we've become
too territorial. Many times I see bugs file
(Quoting Chris below, but actually replying to Alexandre)
On 4/10/07, Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Will this actually resolve any of the recent problems?
That's a good point, let's list them.
Will this stop flame wars?
This a mailing-list issue, no amount of restructuring wi
On 10/04/07, Alexandre Buisse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi everyone,
as everyone probably noticed, there is a current atmosphere of sinking ship,
with quite a lot of people leaving and many agreeing that gentoo is no fun
working on anymore. Before it's too late, I'd like to propose a big reform
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:32:49 +0200
Alexandre Buisse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
> Please criticize this with everything constructive you > can think of.
This idea of putting almost everything into its own repo/overlay will IMO end
up in the same mess that several other distros have with to
Chris Gianelloni kirjoitti:
> On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 22:50 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> it's just so easy to step on other
>> ppls feet these days ;)
>
> I tend to agree that this is a problem, but only insofar as we've become
> too territorial. Many times I see bugs filed with seemingly min
On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 22:50 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> it's just so easy to step on other
> ppls feet these days ;)
I tend to agree that this is a problem, but only insofar as we've become
too territorial. Many times I see bugs filed with seemingly minor
changes being asked for. A good ex
Petteri Räty wrote:
> Alexandre Buisse kirjoitti:
>
>> What I *want* to do is to make gentoo fun again. And I believe that
>> decentralising and giving more autonomy to people will achieve exactly
>> that, for reasons explained in the proposal.
>>
>>
>
> I am a project lead for two projects
Alexandre Buisse kirjoitti:
>
> What I *want* to do is to make gentoo fun again. And I believe that
> decentralising and giving more autonomy to people will achieve exactly
> that, for reasons explained in the proposal.
>
I am a project lead for two projects and have no idea what kind of more
au
On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 22:32:20 +0200, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 21:32 +0200, Alexandre Buisse wrote:
> > work. Stage 4's were going in this direction, but they were too isolated
> > and, as
> > far as I know, they are dead now.
>
> Wow. I'm glad to see that yet another t
Chris Gianelloni schrieb:
> On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 21:32 +0200, Alexandre Buisse wrote:
>> work. Stage 4's were going in this direction, but they were too isolated
>> and, as
>> far as I know, they are dead now.
>
> Wow. I'm glad to see that yet another thing I spend so much time
> working on is
On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 21:32 +0200, Alexandre Buisse wrote:
> work. Stage 4's were going in this direction, but they were too isolated and,
> as
> far as I know, they are dead now.
Wow. I'm glad to see that yet another thing I spend so much time
working on is marginalized or otherwise discounted
Alexandre Buisse kirjoitti:
> Hi everyone,
>
> as everyone probably noticed, there is a current atmosphere of sinking ship,
> with quite a lot of people leaving and many agreeing that gentoo is no fun
> working on anymore. Before it's too late, I'd like to propose a big
> reformation
> that would
Hi everyone,
as everyone probably noticed, there is a current atmosphere of sinking ship,
with quite a lot of people leaving and many agreeing that gentoo is no fun
working on anymore. Before it's too late, I'd like to propose a big reformation
that would help solve some of the issues we are curre
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