Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Gentoo news extension: Display-If-Visible

On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 1:29 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > On śro, 2017-05-24 at 13:13 -0400, Mike Gilbert wrote: >> Many news items are only relevant when upgrading a package from one >> version to another. For fresh installs, the user does not need to take >> any action. A good

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Gentoo news extension: Display-If-Visible

On śro, 2017-05-24 at 13:13 -0400, Mike Gilbert wrote: > Many news items are only relevant when upgrading a package from one > version to another. For fresh installs, the user does not need to take > any action. A good example of this is the recent gcc upgrade from 4.9 > to 5. > > In this

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Restricted version of gentoo-dev mailing list

On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > On śro, 2017-05-24 at 11:54 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: >> >> I was using the Firefox PulseAudio event as another example of stuff >> that happens in some obscure location that ordinary users don't know >> about. It was

[gentoo-dev] [RFC] Gentoo news extension: Display-If-Visible

Many news items are only relevant when upgrading a package from one version to another. For fresh installs, the user does not need to take any action. A good example of this is the recent gcc upgrade from 4.9 to 5. In this context, it is often desirable to inform the user of a major change in a

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Restricted version of gentoo-dev mailing list

On śro, 2017-05-24 at 11:54 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 05:51:00AM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote > > > What value would be obtained by posting this stuff for user comment? > > I'd also note that only one of those was posted on -dev-announce for > > comment as far as I'm aware.

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Restricted version of gentoo-dev mailing list

On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 05:51:00AM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote > What value would be obtained by posting this stuff for user comment? > I'd also note that only one of those was posted on -dev-announce for > comment as far as I'm aware. Two are package/project-level changes > which typically don't

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Restricted version of gentoo-dev mailing list

On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 7:33 AM, Nuno Silva wrote: > On 2017-05-24, Michał Górny wrote: > >> On śro, 2017-05-24 at 03:48 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: >>> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 08:41:25AM +0200, Micha?? Górny wrote > [...] >>> Note where I said "...posted on Gentoo-User for

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Restricted version of gentoo-dev mailing list

On 2017-05-24, Michał Górny wrote: > On śro, 2017-05-24 at 03:48 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: >> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 08:41:25AM +0200, Micha?? Górny wrote [...] >> Note where I said "...posted on Gentoo-User for comment...". What I'm >> asking is for such proposed changes to be posted on

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Restricted version of gentoo-dev mailing list

On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 9:01 AM, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: >. > I agree with the others who've said that they don't think this is the > right solution. I've previously agreed we need moderation. I would > advocate that infra work on better moderation tools and/or mailing > list

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Restricted version of gentoo-dev mailing list

Hi fellow Gentoo dev and user that read the list, Le 23 mai à 21:31 Michał Górny a écrit […] > Initially, the posting group would include active Gentoo developers > only. Afterwards, we will deploy a small moderator team whose purpose > would be controlling access to the list -- including both

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Restricted version of gentoo-dev mailing list

On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 9:31 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > I'd like to request Infra to establish a new mailing list that would > fill in the gap between our public mailing lists and the gentoo-core > mailing list. I agree with the others who've said that they don't think this is

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Restricted version of gentoo-dev mailing list

On śro, 2017-05-24 at 13:39 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 24/05/2017 12:24, Michał Górny wrote: > > On śro, 2017-05-24 at 03:48 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > > > On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 08:41:25AM +0200, Micha?? Górny wrote > > > > Next time such a thing happens, the discussion will happen on a >

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Restricted version of gentoo-dev mailing list

On 24/05/2017 12:24, Michał Górny wrote: > On śro, 2017-05-24 at 03:48 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: >> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 08:41:25AM +0200, Micha?? Górny wrote >>> Next time such a thing happens, the discussion will happen on a >>> completely private media or not happen at all because of the

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Restricted version of gentoo-dev mailing list

On Wed, 24 May 2017 14:21:13 +0900 Benda Xu wrote: > 2. Useful discussion are diluted from 1 list into 2 lists. I think dilution is the point, but the problem is not useful discussions. Its the useless ones that are targeted for dilution, so that the useful ones can stop

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Restricted version of gentoo-dev mailing list

On śro, 2017-05-24 at 03:48 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 08:41:25AM +0200, Micha?? Górny wrote > > Next time such a thing happens, the discussion will happen on a > > completely private media or not happen at all because of the state > > of this mailing list. Is this what

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Restricted version of gentoo-dev mailing list

On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 3:48 AM, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 08:41:25AM +0200, Micha?? Górny wrote >> Next time such a thing happens, the discussion will happen on a >> completely private media or not happen at all because of the state >> of this mailing

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Restricted version of gentoo-dev mailing list

On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 08:41:25AM +0200, Micha?? Górny wrote > Next time such a thing happens, the discussion will happen on a > completely private media or not happen at all because of the state > of this mailing list. Is this what you really want? Here's the part you did not quote... >> If

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Restricted version of gentoo-dev mailing list

On 05/24/2017 08:41 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > Next time such a thing happens, the discussion will happen on a > completely private media or not happen at all because of the state of > this mailing list. Is this what you really want? I wouldn't agree with it being an axiom of sorts that discussion

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Restricted version of gentoo-dev mailing list

On śro, 2017-05-24 at 01:55 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > Let's step back a minute, and consider *WHY* non-developers feel the > need to join this list in the first place. Do you remember the acrimony > after the decision to not officially support a separate /usr without > initramfs? A lot of

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Restricted version of gentoo-dev mailing list

On śro, 2017-05-24 at 07:29 +0200, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, 23 May 2017, William Hubbs wrote: > > On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 09:31:18PM +0200, Michał Górny wrote: > > > I'd like to request Infra to establish a new mailing list that would > > > fill in the gap between our public

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Restricted version of gentoo-dev mailing list

On śro, 2017-05-24 at 14:21 +0900, Benda Xu wrote: > Hi Michał, > > > Name: gentoo-dev-internal > > > > Topic: technical discussions between active Gentoo contributors > > Basically I object to this proposal. > > 1. Another layer of hierarchy is not desirable for a non-profit >