On 9/13/23 1:03 AM, Alexe Stefan wrote:
> On 9/13/23, Eli Schwartz wrote:
>> On 9/13/23 12:35 AM, Alexe Stefan wrote:
>>> On 9/13/23, Matt Turner wrote:
On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 5:45 PM Alexe Stefan
wrote:
> Is it such a burden to make a couple of commits once in a while?
On 9/13/23, Eli Schwartz wrote:
> On 9/13/23 12:35 AM, Alexe Stefan wrote:
>> On 9/13/23, Matt Turner wrote:
>>> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 5:45 PM Alexe Stefan
>>> wrote:
Is it such a burden to make a couple of commits once in a while?
>>>
>>> I see no commits from your email address in
On 9/13/23 12:35 AM, Alexe Stefan wrote:
> On 9/13/23, Matt Turner wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 5:45 PM Alexe Stefan
>> wrote:
>>> Is it such a burden to make a couple of commits once in a while?
>>
>> I see no commits from your email address in gentoo.git, so that might
>> be a question
On 9/13/23, Matt Turner wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 5:45 PM Alexe Stefan
> wrote:
>>
>> On 9/13/23, Matt Turner wrote:
>> > On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 5:23 PM Eddie Chapman wrote:
>> >> Why would you think that by having an alternative in tree it means
>> >> that
>> >> everyone else is then
Eli Schwartz writes:
> On 9/12/23 10:26 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
>> On Tue, 2023-09-12 at 22:07 -0400, Eli Schwartz wrote:
>>> On 9/12/23 3:56 PM, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Sep 2023, Eli Schwartz wrote:
> + mkdir -p "${BUILD_DIR}" || die
> +
On 9/12/23 3:47 PM, Eddie Chapman wrote:
> Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
>> The eudev experiment has failed.
>> * It was false labeling from the start.[*]
>> * It's barely alive and not keeping up with udev upstream.
>
> Why does it have to? It is advertised as a fork after all.
It provides
On 9/12/23 10:26 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
> On Tue, 2023-09-12 at 22:07 -0400, Eli Schwartz wrote:
>> On 9/12/23 3:56 PM, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023, Eli Schwartz wrote:
>>>
+ mkdir -p "${BUILD_DIR}" || die
+ local
On Tue, 2023-09-12 at 22:07 -0400, Eli Schwartz wrote:
> On 9/12/23 3:56 PM, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> > > > > > > On Tue, 12 Sep 2023, Eli Schwartz wrote:
> >
> > > + mkdir -p "${BUILD_DIR}" || die
> > > + local -x
> > >
On 9/12/23 3:56 PM, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
>> On Tue, 12 Sep 2023, Eli Schwartz wrote:
>
>> +mkdir -p "${BUILD_DIR}" || die
>> +local -x
>> DIST_EXTRA_CONFIG="${BUILD_DIR}/extra-setup.cfg"
>> +cat >
On Wed, 13 Sept 2023 at 02:23, Alex Boag-Munroe wrote:
>
> >Matt Turner wrote:
> >> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 5:23 PM Eddie Chapman wrote:
> >>
> >>> Why would you think that by having an alternative in tree it means that
> >>> everyone else is then forced into doing work that they don't want to
>Matt Turner wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 5:23 PM Eddie Chapman wrote:
>>
>>> Why would you think that by having an alternative in tree it means that
>>> everyone else is then forced into doing work that they don't want to
>>> and it will inconvenience everyone?
>>
>> Because it's already
Alexe Stefan:
...
> I use a static /dev. That won't just stop work ing after an update,
> regardless of how much money changes hands.
Nice to se a fellow static /dev user.
> What does eudev need to do and doesn't do? From discussion in various
> places, I understand that it must set permissions
Matt Turner wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 5:23 PM Eddie Chapman wrote:
>
>> Why would you think that by having an alternative in tree it means that
>> everyone else is then forced into doing work that they don't want to
>> and it will inconvenience everyone?
>
> Because it's already happened!
On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 5:45 PM Alexe Stefan wrote:
>
> On 9/13/23, Matt Turner wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 5:23 PM Eddie Chapman wrote:
> >> Why would you think that by having an alternative in tree it means that
> >> everyone else is then forced into doing work that they don't want to
On 9/13/23, Matt Turner wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 5:23 PM Eddie Chapman wrote:
>> Why would you think that by having an alternative in tree it means that
>> everyone else is then forced into doing work that they don't want to and
>> it will inconvenience everyone?
>
> Because it's already
On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 5:23 PM Eddie Chapman wrote:
> Why would you think that by having an alternative in tree it means that
> everyone else is then forced into doing work that they don't want to and
> it will inconvenience everyone?
Because it's already happened!
commit
Andrew Ammerlaan wrote:
>
> On 12 September 2023 21:47:31 CEST, Eddie Chapman wrote:
>
>> Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
>>
>>> The eudev experiment has failed.
>>> * It was false labeling from the start.[*]
>>> * It's barely alive and not keeping up with udev upstream.
>>
>> Why does it have to? It
Eli Schwartz wrote:
> On 9/12/23 3:05 PM, orbea wrote:
>> On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 14:51:34 -0400
>> Matt Turner wrote:
>>> Conspiracy alert!
>>>
>>> It's been more than 2 years since
>>> https://www.gentoo.org/support/news-items/2021-08-24-eudev-retirement.html
>>>
>>>
>>> People have had plenty of
On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 4:25 PM orbea wrote:
>
> On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 14:51:34 -0400
> Matt Turner wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 11:35 AM orbea wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 15:17:00 +0100
> > > Sam James wrote:
> > >
> > > > Rich Freeman writes:
> > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Sep
On 12 September 2023 21:47:31 CEST, Eddie Chapman wrote:
>Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
>> The eudev experiment has failed.
>> * It was false labeling from the start.[*]
>> * It's barely alive and not keeping up with udev upstream.
>
>Why does it have to? It is advertised as a fork after all.
>
>>
On 9/12/23 3:05 PM, orbea wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 14:51:34 -0400
Matt Turner wrote:
Conspiracy alert!
It's been more than 2 years since
https://www.gentoo.org/support/news-items/2021-08-24-eudev-retirement.html
People have had plenty of time. More chances than were fair have been
given.
> On Tue, 12 Sep 2023, Eli Schwartz wrote:
> + mkdir -p "${BUILD_DIR}" || die
> + local -x
> DIST_EXTRA_CONFIG="${BUILD_DIR}/extra-setup.cfg"
> + cat > "${DIST_EXTRA_CONFIG}" <<-EOF
> +
Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
I'm an outsider to Gentoo development (just a heavy user for over a
decade both personally and professionally) so I might have missed
something. I just find it puzzling.
>>>
>>> I'm not puzzled by what is going on, or by your email, because it
>>> happens
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 20:06:32 +0100
"Eddie Chapman" wrote:
> orbea wrote:
> > On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 20:23:49 +0300
> > Alexe Stefan wrote:
> >
> >> All this makes me wonder, what really is the reason for this
> >> shitshow. Something tells me systemd and it's shims will never be
> >> without a
Bug: https://bugs.gentoo.org/758167
Full PR is at https://github.com/gentoo/gentoo/pull/32730
Several LLVM packages require this early return, otherwise they fail to
build on Darwin. I'll also need this USE-flag for
sys-devel/clang-common, to distinguish between stage2 and stage3 of
> >> I'm an outsider to Gentoo development (just a heavy user for over a
> >> decade both personally and professionally) so I might have missed
> >> something. I just find it puzzling.
> >
> > I'm not puzzled by what is going on, or by your email, because it
> > happens basically anytime a
If the current directory masks packages that would be installed and
contains different contents, it can cause testing issues that otherwise
go unnoticed. This warning can stop being experimental and opt-in
Suggested-by: Michał Górny
Signed-off-by: Eli Schwartz
---
eclass/python-utils-r1.eclass
Previously, setup.py was handled by:
- manually passing makejobs, with a heuristic to guess whether it was a
time saver to do so.
- rm -rf'ing the build directory in between python versions to prevent
cross-version contamination
This is because in PEP 517 mode, it doesn't accept build
orbea wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 20:23:49 +0300
> Alexe Stefan wrote:
>
>> All this makes me wonder, what really is the reason for this shitshow.
>> Something tells me systemd and it's shims will never be without a
>> maintainer, regardless of how "popular" they are among gentoo folks. All
>>
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 14:51:34 -0400
Matt Turner wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 11:35 AM orbea wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 15:17:00 +0100
> > Sam James wrote:
> >
> > > Rich Freeman writes:
> > >
> > > > On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 9:36 AM Eddie Chapman
> > > > wrote:
> > > >> in
On 9/12/23, Matt Turner wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 1:24 PM Alexe Stefan
> wrote:
>> All this makes me wonder, what really is the reason for this shitshow.
>> Something tells me systemd and it's shims will never be without a
>> maintainer, regardless of how "popular" they are among gentoo
On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 1:24 PM Alexe Stefan wrote:
> All this makes me wonder, what really is the reason for this shitshow.
> Something tells me systemd and it's shims will never be without a
> maintainer, regardless of how "popular" they are among gentoo folks.
> All this seems like intentional
On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 11:35 AM orbea wrote:
>
> On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 15:17:00 +0100
> Sam James wrote:
>
> > Rich Freeman writes:
> >
> > > On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 9:36 AM Eddie Chapman
> > > wrote:
> > >> in Gentoo. Have any of these 4 maintainers publicly said
> > >> (anywhere) that they
On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 11:04 AM Eddie Chapman wrote:
> Yes I regularly do this if there is a piece of software not in the tree, I
> have a local repo full of stuff. But this argument doesn't hold as much
> weight when it comes to a package like this which is integrated in the
> core of the
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 20:23:49 +0300
Alexe Stefan wrote:
> All this makes me wonder, what really is the reason for this shitshow.
> Something tells me systemd and it's shims will never be without a
> maintainer, regardless of how "popular" they are among gentoo folks.
> All this seems like
All this makes me wonder, what really is the reason for this shitshow.
Something tells me systemd and it's shims will never be without a
maintainer, regardless of how "popular" they are among gentoo folks.
All this seems like intentional crippling of systemd alternatives. I
don't use eudev, but I
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 15:17:00 +0100
Sam James wrote:
> Rich Freeman writes:
>
> > On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 9:36 AM Eddie Chapman
> > wrote:
> >> in Gentoo. Have any of these 4 maintainers publicly said
> >> (anywhere) that they are not interested in being maintainers
> >> anymore (which is
"Eddie Chapman" writes:
> martin-kokos wrote:
>> --- Original Message ---
>> On Tuesday, September 12th, 2023 at 3:36 PM, Eddie Chapman
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sam James wrote:
>>>
"Eddie Chapman" ed...@ehuk.net writes:
>>> So what's the situation with the current Gentoo
Sam James wrote:
>
> Rich Freeman writes:
>
>> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 9:36 AM Eddie Chapman wrote:
>>
>>> in Gentoo. Have any of these 4 maintainers publicly said (anywhere)
>>> that they are not interested in being maintainers anymore (which is
>>> fine if that is the case)? We're not talking
"Eddie Chapman" writes:
> Rich Freeman wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 9:36 AM Eddie Chapman wrote:
>>
>>> in Gentoo. Have any of these 4 maintainers publicly said (anywhere)
>>> that they are not interested in being maintainers anymore (which is fine
>>> if that is the case)? We're not
martin-kokos wrote:
> --- Original Message ---
> On Tuesday, September 12th, 2023 at 3:36 PM, Eddie Chapman
> wrote:
>
>> Sam James wrote:
>>
>>> "Eddie Chapman" ed...@ehuk.net writes:
>>>
>> So what's the situation with the current Gentoo maintainers?
>> Have
>> they
Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 9:36 AM Eddie Chapman wrote:
>
>> in Gentoo. Have any of these 4 maintainers publicly said (anywhere)
>> that they are not interested in being maintainers anymore (which is fine
>> if that is the case)? We're not talking here about a lone maintainer
--- Original Message ---
On Tuesday, September 12th, 2023 at 3:36 PM, Eddie Chapman
wrote:
> Sam James wrote:
>
> > "Eddie Chapman" ed...@ehuk.net writes:
> >
> > > > > So what's the situation with the current Gentoo maintainers? Have
> > > > > they disappeared? I often see on here
Rich Freeman writes:
> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 9:36 AM Eddie Chapman wrote:
>> in Gentoo. Have any of these 4 maintainers publicly said (anywhere) that
>> they are not interested in being maintainers anymore (which is fine if
>> that is the case)? We're not talking here about a lone
On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 9:36 AM Eddie Chapman wrote:
> in Gentoo. Have any of these 4 maintainers publicly said (anywhere) that
> they are not interested in being maintainers anymore (which is fine if
> that is the case)? We're not talking here about a lone maintainer of some
> peripheral
"Eddie Chapman" writes:
> Sam James wrote:
>>
>> "Eddie Chapman" writes:
> So what's the situation with the current Gentoo maintainers? Have
> they disappeared? I often see on here packages being offered up for
> grabs. Why
> hasn't there been a call to give others the
Sam James wrote:
>
> "Eddie Chapman" writes:
So what's the situation with the current Gentoo maintainers? Have
they disappeared? I often see on here packages being offered up for
grabs. Why
hasn't there been a call to give others the opportunity to volunteer
as
On Tue 12 Sep 2023 05:18:51 GMT, Rich Freeman wrote:
> Sorry for this being a bit of a ramble. I do feel for your situation,
> but I don't want to see you fighting the wrong battle. Disclaimer:
> this is just my outside observation having seen many a treecleaning
> frustration in the past. I
On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 10:34 PM orbea wrote:
>
> Regardless the disappointment is a valid concern when Gentoo is willing
> to pull the rug up from under users feet under erroneous claims of the
> project being dead.
>
As a complete outsider, I think this conversation is focusing on the
wrong
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