RE: Copenhagen result

2009-12-23 Thread Hirsch, Leonard
nesday, December 23, 2009 10:13 AM To: 'Dale W Jamieson'; 'Matthew Paterson' Cc: 'Maria Ivanova'; gep-ed@listserve1.allegheny.edu Subject: RE: Copenhagen result I concur with Dale that geoengineering's stock is on the rise, and I think that the trend toward cli

RE: Copenhagen result

2009-12-23 Thread Wil Burns
rson Cc: Maria Ivanova; gep-ed@listserve1.allegheny.edu Subject: Re: Copenhagen result i think it's misleading to view the outcome of copenhagen as having been produced by any single actor. this leads us away from a more complex analysis that takes seriously the domestic politics and interna

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2009-12-23 Thread Dale W Jamieson
is the one unforgivable thing...--Blanche DuBois - Original Message - From: Matthew Paterson Date: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 8:48 pm Subject: Re: Copenhagen result To: Maria Ivanova , gep-ed@listserve1.allegheny.edu > A really interesting comment on china¹s strategy here: > >

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2009-12-21 Thread Matthew Hoffmann
Stacy and all, It was a trainwreck to be sure, though the silver lining for me (and this will sound self-serving since it is the area of my current research), is that perhaps now we can stop thinking that the multilateral process is the single best (if not the only) way to fashion a global response

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2009-12-21 Thread HARRIS, Paul Gordon
stserve1.allegheny.edu on behalf of Stephen Van Holde Sent: Tue 12/22/2009 1:16 AM To: Lorraine Elliott Cc: gep-ed@listserve1.allegheny.edu Subject: Re: Copenhagen result Well put, Lorraine. I have exactly the same problem standing in front of my classes. And I cannot imagine how reps from places lik

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2009-12-21 Thread Graham Smart
mment-4315 Graham - Original Message - From: Marc Levy Date: Monday, December 21, 2009 3:09 pm Subject: Re: Copenhagen result To: "Hirsch, Leonard" Cc: Stephen Van Holde , Lorraine Elliott , "gep-ed@listserve1.allegheny.edu" > For what it's worth, I p

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2009-12-21 Thread Marc Levy
t; From: owner-gep...@listserve1.allegheny.edu > [owner-gep...@listserve1.allegheny.edu] On Behalf Of Stephen Van Holde > [vanho...@kenyon.edu] > Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 12:16 PM > To: Lorraine Elliott > Cc: gep-ed@listserve1.allegheny.edu > Subject: Re: Copenhagen res

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2009-12-21 Thread Hirsch, Leonard
2.2888 fax lhir...@si.edu From: owner-gep...@listserve1.allegheny.edu [owner-gep...@listserve1.allegheny.edu] On Behalf Of Stephen Van Holde [vanho...@kenyon.edu] Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 12:16 PM To: Lorraine Elliott Cc: gep-ed@listserve1.allegheny.edu Subject: Re: Copenhagen result We

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2009-12-21 Thread Stephen Van Holde
feel pretty dispirited by the whole process at the moment. Lorraine Original Message - From: Daniel Bodansky Date: Monday, December 21, 2009 8:48 pm Subject: Re: Copenhagen result To: Heike Schroeder Cc: Daniel Bodansky , "gep-ed@listserve1.allegheny.edu" But countries did m

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2009-12-21 Thread Wil Burns
nsky Cc: Heike Schroeder; gep-ed@listserve1.allegheny.edu Subject: Re: Copenhagen result i think the depth and severity of the structural problems involved in addressing climate change are well indicated in this thread: some wonderful, honorable people "sweated blood" to get what would have b

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2009-12-21 Thread Dale W Jamieson
.nyu.edu/object/dalejamieson.html "Deliberate cruelty is not forgivable. It is the one unforgivable thing...--Blanche DuBois - Original Message - From: Daniel Bodansky Date: Monday, December 21, 2009 5:25 am Subject: Re: Copenhagen result To: Heike Schroeder Cc: "gep-ed@listserve1.alleghe

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2009-12-21 Thread Lorraine Elliott
- From: Daniel Bodansky Date: Monday, December 21, 2009 8:48 pm Subject: Re: Copenhagen result To: Heike Schroeder Cc: Daniel Bodansky , "gep-ed@listserve1.allegheny.edu" > But countries did move beyond position in significant ways. > China agreed to international listing and

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2009-12-21 Thread Daniel Bodansky
u Subject: Fwd: Re: Copenhagen result Hi all, I sent the message below last night from an email account not registered with GEPED, so it bounced. It doesn't take account of the subsequent discussion from others. For those who are interested, I've been blogging about t

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2009-12-21 Thread Daniel Bodansky
edu [owner-gep- e...@listserve1.allegheny.edu] On Behalf Of Daniel Bodansky [bodan...@uga.edu] Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 5:19 AM To: gep-ed@listserve1.allegheny.edu Subject: Fwd: Re: Copenhagen result Hi all, I sent the message below last night from an email account not registered with GE

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2009-12-21 Thread Heike Schroeder
From: owner-gep...@listserve1.allegheny.edu [owner-gep...@listserve1.allegheny.edu] On Behalf Of Daniel Bodansky [bodan...@uga.edu] Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 5:19 AM To: gep-ed@listserve1.allegheny.edu Subject: Fwd: Re: Copenhagen result Hi all, I sent the message below last night from an em

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2009-12-20 Thread Daniel Bodansky
489324 From: Wil Burns Reply-To: Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 07:42:53 -0800 To: 'Radoslav Dimitrov' , 'Global Environmental Politics Education ListServe' Subject: RE: Copenhagen result I think amidst all of the (legitimate) gloom about the results at Copenhagen, we should emp

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2009-12-20 Thread Navroz Dubash
> Subscribe for free to our publications > http://www.iisd.ca/email/subscribe.htm > > > > > -Original Message- > From: owner-gep...@listserve1.allegheny.edu [mailto: > owner-gep...@listserve1.allegheny.edu] On Behalf Of Lorraine Elliott > Sent: Sunday, December

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2009-12-20 Thread Lorraine Elliott
orraine Elliott Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 9:01 PM To: gep-ed@listserve1.allegheny.edu Subject: Re: Copenhagen result Hi all A few quick questions in finding one's way through the Accord - surely some of the most garbled syntax adopted at an international negotiation? While the 2 degrees ce

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2009-12-20 Thread Pam Chasek
al Message- From: owner-gep...@listserve1.allegheny.edu [mailto:owner-gep...@listserve1.allegheny.edu] On Behalf Of Lorraine Elliott Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 9:01 PM To: gep-ed@listserve1.allegheny.edu Subject: Re: Copenhagen result Hi all A few quick questions in finding one's way thr

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2009-12-20 Thread Lorraine Elliott
Hi all A few quick questions in finding one's way through the Accord - surely some of the most garbled syntax adopted at an international negotiation? While the 2 degrees celsius number is mentioned at least twice, as I read it there isn't actually a /formal /commitment to that as a stabiliz

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2009-12-20 Thread Wil Burns
@listserve1.allegheny.edu Subject: RE: Copenhagen result 2. on legally binding. You're right of course that international law is weak in terms of enforcement. But you're wrong that 'many' Annex B countries will fail to meet their Kyoto targets - the EU will get there ea

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2009-12-20 Thread Alcock, Frank
I take Wil's "exogenous" comment to mean that the bulk of UK emissions reductions would have occured in the absence of Kyoto. From: owner-gep...@listserve1.allegheny.edu on behalf of Henrik SelinSent: Sun 12/20/2009 1:11 PMTo: gep-ed@listserve1.allegheny.eduSubject: RE: Copen

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2009-12-20 Thread Henrik Selin
2. on legally binding. You’re right of course that international law is weak in terms of enforcement. But you’re wrong that ‘many’ Annex B countries will fail to meet their Kyoto targets – the EU will get there easily enough, as will (for hot air reasons) most ex-soviet countries. NZ still ha

RE: Copenhagen result

2009-12-20 Thread Wil Burns
e...@uottawa.ca] Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 8:33 AM To: williamcgbu...@comcast.net; 'Radoslav Dimitrov'; 'Global Environmental Politics Education ListServe' Subject: Re: Copenhagen result Wil, you raise a lot of issues here, we could end up with a long (and interestin

Re: Copenhagen result

2009-12-20 Thread Matthew Paterson
'Global Environmental Politics Education ListServe' Subject: RE: Copenhagen result I think amidst all of the (legitimate) gloom about the results at Copenhagen, we should emphasize a couple of things: 1. It was known well before the meeting that we were likely to only get a political

RE: Copenhagen result

2009-12-20 Thread Wil Burns
I think amidst all of the (legitimate) gloom about the results at Copenhagen, we should emphasize a couple of things: 1. It was known well before the meeting that we were likely to only get a political declaration from Copenhagen; in many ways, I think the media hyped the final stages