Re: Excessive Bounces

2019-07-29 Thread David Woodhouse
On Mon, 2019-07-29 at 12:12 +0100, Mark Carroll wrote: > On 29 Jul 2019, David Woodhouse wrote: > > > When an individual from a domain which publishes these stupid SPF and > > similar records saying "only accept mail from my mailserver", posts to > > the list, and it is rejected by stupidly

Re: Excessive Bounces

2019-07-29 Thread Mark Carroll
On 29 Jul 2019, David Woodhouse wrote: > When an individual from a domain which publishes these stupid SPF and > similar records saying "only accept mail from my mailserver", posts to > the list, and it is rejected by stupidly configured mailservers which > *honour* that request, that's when

Re: Excessive Bounces

2019-07-29 Thread David Woodhouse
On Sun, 2019-07-28 at 23:02 +0100, George Eycott wrote: > However, as I understand it, the changes then mean that technically the > emails being sent by Mailman are not being processed by the list software in > line with the email standards (in due course I expect the standards will > need in some

Re: Excessive Bounces

2019-07-29 Thread Colin Law
On Sun, 28 Jul 2019 at 12:10, Peter Corlett wrote: > ... > I'm sure the list admin(s) will be delighted to receive your remittance to > cover the cost of the reconfiguration, testing, extra server load, and ongoing > maintenance required to improve (but not guarantee!) deliverability to GMail. >

RE: Excessive Bounces

2019-07-28 Thread George Eycott
> In contrast, Google have a very strict policy, and expect the rest of the > Internet to spend a lot of time and money chasing their latest capricious > changes. This is a full-time job, and unsurprisingly, many people running mail > services on the side have better things to do than try and

Re: Excessive Bounces

2019-07-28 Thread Bernard Peek
On 28/07/2019 11:01, Mark Carroll wrote: On 28 Jul 2019, Bernard Peek wrote: I've used Gmail for years but I'm happy to use something else. My main reason for choosing Gmail back then was its spam filtering. What alternatives can match that today? I would second the idea of putting gmx.com

Re: Excessive Bounces

2019-07-28 Thread Owen Smith
Which is why I am not on the get_iplayer forum. It's too much like hard work to raise a genuine issue without accidentally breaching one or more of his nit picking rules. -- Owen Smith Cambridge, UK > On 28 Jul 2019, at 11:28, Peter Corlett wrote: > > Compare this to the get_iplayer >

Re: Excessive Bounces

2019-07-28 Thread MacFH - C E Macfarlane
Please see below ... On 28/07/2019 14:29, Mark Carroll wrote: On 28 Jul 2019, RS wrote: One thing that seems to be being suggested is that I should use my own domain name for email. My own experience of doing that has been that I get swamped with spam. I do this. This isn't the place for an

Re: Excessive Bounces

2019-07-28 Thread Mark Carroll
On 28 Jul 2019, RS wrote: > On 28/07/2019 11:01, Mark Carroll wrote: >> >> Standards violations or similar daft decisions by big players are a >> common issue in IT, > > Pious comments about standards violation are not much help unless we can > identify what the standards are and how they are

Re: Excessive Bounces

2019-07-28 Thread michael norman
On 28/07/2019 11:01, Mark Carroll wrote: On 28 Jul 2019, Bernard Peek wrote: I've used Gmail for years but I'm happy to use something else. My main reason for choosing Gmail back then was its spam filtering. What alternatives can match that today? I would second the idea of putting gmx.com at

Re: Excessive Bounces

2019-07-28 Thread artisticforge Niemand
hello I just fell victim of this. Too many bounces from Gmail. No idea why. SMTP to detailed out in RFC-821 May have to switch back to running my own mail server. Google is the new evil empire. On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 6:14 AM Steven Carr wrote: > > Anyone else getting kicked from the list?

Re: Excessive Bounces

2019-07-28 Thread RS
On 28/07/2019 11:01, Mark Carroll wrote: Standards violations or similar daft decisions by big players are a common issue in IT, Pious comments about standards violation are not much help unless we can identify what the standards are and how they are being violated. My (very limited)

Re: Excessive Bounces

2019-07-28 Thread Peter Corlett
On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 09:21:26AM +0100, Colin Law wrote: [...] > This is the only list I use that has this shown this issue. Then you are lucky. I'm on *loads* of mailing lists, and several of them have had GMail users complaining of missing list posts and being unsubscribed. The common factor

Re: Excessive Bounces

2019-07-28 Thread Mark Carroll
On 28 Jul 2019, Bernard Peek wrote: > I've used Gmail for years but I'm happy to use something else. My main > reason for choosing Gmail back then was its spam filtering. What > alternatives can match that today? I would second the idea of putting gmx.com at least on the "to be considered" list

RE: Excessive Bounces

2019-07-28 Thread Bernard Peek
@lists.infradead.org Subject: Re: Excessive Bounces On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 08:32:36PM -0300, david whelan wrote: > Does anyone know of any free email providers that are suitably > standards-compliant? You generally get what you pay for, and that applies in spades when you demand "free". How

Re: Excessive Bounces

2019-07-28 Thread Peter Corlett
On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 08:32:36PM -0300, david whelan wrote: > Does anyone know of any free email providers that are suitably > standards-compliant? You generally get what you pay for, and that applies in spades when you demand "free". However, ProtonMail is a freemium service which has a good

Re: Excessive Bounces

2019-07-28 Thread Colin Law
On Sat, 27 Jul 2019 at 13:03, Roger Bell_West wrote: > > In order to participate reliably in Internet email, you'll need a > standards-compliant platform - which gmail isn't. It's fine if you > only ever exchange mail with other walled-garden users, but talking to > the wider world is a bit more

Re: Excessive Bounces

2019-07-28 Thread Jeremy Nicoll - ml gip
On 2019-07-28 00:36, Kevin McCarthy wrote: I'm getting an message regarding excessive bounces too without me posting to the group! Why the "!"? "Excessive bounces" means that the mail-list server is regularly failing to send messages TO you, which it will try to do with every message someone

RE: Excessive Bounces

2019-07-28 Thread roadcone
reassuring to know that I'm not the only person receiving >the "excessive bounces" message > >Regards >Kevin McCarthy. > >-Original Message- >From: get_iplayer [mailto:get_iplayer-boun...@lists.infradead.org] On >Behalf Of david whelan >Sent: 28 July 2019 00:33 >

RE: Excessive Bounces

2019-07-27 Thread Kevin McCarthy
On Behalf Of david whelan Sent: 28 July 2019 00:33 To: get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org Subject: Re: Excessive Bounces Does anyone know of any free email providers that are suitably standards-compliant? On 2019-07-27 9:03 a.m., Roger Bell_West wrote: > On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 09:14:40PM +1000

Re: Excessive Bounces

2019-07-27 Thread RS
On 27/07/2019 13:03, Roger Bell_West wrote: On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 09:14:40PM +1000, Steven Carr wrote: Has an admin (not)updated settings on the list that’s causing GMail to reject emails? I know on some other lists I’m a member of changes have had to be made to Mailman due to DKIM/DMARC.

Re: Excessive Bounces

2019-07-27 Thread Roger Bell_West
On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 09:14:40PM +1000, Steven Carr wrote: >Has an admin (not)updated settings on the list that’s causing GMail to >reject emails? I know on some other lists I’m a member of changes have >had to be made to Mailman due to DKIM/DMARC. In order to participate reliably in Internet

Re: Excessive Bounces

2019-07-27 Thread Paul Thornett
Me too - also a very infrequent contributor. - Regards, Paul Thornett On Sat., 27 Jul. 2019, 21:19 Roger Tricker, wrote: > > Yep, me too, although I rarely contribute. > Roger > > On 27/07/2019 12:14, Steven Carr wrote: > > Anyone else getting kicked from the list? I’ve been

Re: Excessive Bounces

2019-07-27 Thread Peter Corlett
On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 09:14:40PM +1000, Steven Carr wrote: > Anyone else getting kicked from the list? I’ve been kicked twice now for > “excessive bounces”. No, because I'm not using a proprietary webmail platform which won't play nicely with anything outside of its walled garden. > Has an

Re: Excessive Bounces

2019-07-27 Thread Charles Johnson
On 27/07/2019 12:30, Alexis Huxley wrote: me too. ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer Me too ___ get_iplayer mailing list

Re: Excessive Bounces

2019-07-27 Thread Alexis Huxley
me too. ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer

RE: Excessive Bounces

2019-07-27 Thread Bernard Peek
Me 2. I'm using gmail. -Original Message- From: get_iplayer On Behalf Of Steven Carr Sent: 27 July 2019 12:15 To: get_iplayer-request Subject: Excessive Bounces Anyone else getting kicked from the list? I’ve been kicked twice now for “excessive bounces”. Has an admin (not)updated

Re: Excessive Bounces

2019-07-27 Thread Roger Tricker
Yep, me too, although I rarely contribute. Roger On 27/07/2019 12:14, Steven Carr wrote: Anyone else getting kicked from the list? I’ve been kicked twice now for “excessive bounces”. Has an admin (not)updated settings on the list that’s causing GMail to reject emails? I know on some other