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This is not a game of tennis, you are just keeping
the fires of hate alive, and think you have some
great plan to outwit the offended. Shame on you.
It is always interesting to note how people forget the
fact that in a secular public forum
would like to know how many
educated people would reject the now well-established
scientific findings, implied in the following quote,
that we cannot think, imagine or perceive anything
without a living and intact brain.
Cheers,
Santosh
From: Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If his
--- Rajan P. Parrikar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Boy, they are relentless, aren't they? When it
comes to education, the only thing the govt can
think of is pouring more concrete!
This is absolutely true. It seems that these people
are looking for every opportunity to profit from the
The following post does not address the issue I had
raised, which is, how many educated people seriously
think that science should have anything to do with
unprovable supernatural beliefs. I would be surprised
if more than a negligible minority would want the
scope of science to be expanded in
--- Frederick [FN]
Noronha[EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote:
Is this pseudo-science?
No. It is a survey of who is using what to treat what
they recognize as some kind of jaundice. To find out
if any of those plants really work against infectious
hepatitis, somebody has to do a study by properly
of the teapot and other
supernatural entities, do not have an observable
existence outside of the brain. They do not exist as
independent facts in the world, as Cardinal Murphy
O'Connor might say.
..Santosh Helekar
Here is what I quoted the Cardinal himself as saying:
God is not a fact
--- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Don't these quotes suggest that Einstein would have
supported the modern notion of intelligent design
and considered most so-called atheists to be
ignorant and utterly arrogant.
Almost all scientists, religious as well as
non-religious, regard the
Please read the following and be proud:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/HealthSci/Indian_makes_breast_cancer_discovery/articleshow/3078934.cms
Cheers,
Santosh
Mario Goveia wrote:
Einstein's utter humility about the unattainable
secrets of the harmony of the cosmos, his belief in a
God that reveals himself in the lawful harmony of all
that exists, and his humble recognition that there
are
domains where scientific knowledge has not yet been
able to set
--- On Thu, 5/29/08, dr sunita kasar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
it was the first time i realised the imporatnce of the
primordial factors viz, air, water, fire, earth and space which had to do
with the health. and the disturbance of functions similiar to their
properties causing disease
--- On Sun, 6/8/08, anil desai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This Rajan Parrikar has turned out to be a complete fraud.
We all trusted him to be a true saffronite interested in exposing
the evil deeds of Muslim migrants and the building and mining
activities of Catholic and Muslim builders and
--- On Mon, 6/9/08, Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is this Dr. Anil Desai a medical doctor? Because nowadays
everyone likes to a Dr. prefix to their names, like Ph.Ds,
dentists, physiotherapists, etc. If he is a medical doctor,
I am ashamed that our medical
--- On Wed, 6/11/08, edward desilva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Who in their right mind would want to do PhD when they can
get a job?
1. Those who seek jobs that require a Ph.D. degree as a minimum qualification.
2. Those who enjoy living a life making original contributions to the
advancement
--- On Thu, 6/12/08, edward desilva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ORIGINAL CONTRIBUTION IS DONE BY SCIENTISTS. Original
contributors are people with practical abilities and
instinct,nbsp;not PhD.PhD people are copy cats.
What the above post says regarding the Ph.D. degree is quite obviously utter
--- On Fri, 6/13/08, edward desilva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is nothing ORIGINAL about PhD.
Only Collages look for PhD people, (as I already said - to
mix like with like), if they cannot find one they give them
an honorary one.
Rajan can have another one for doing his research in
--- On Sat, 6/14/08, Samir Kelekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, what are you trying to say ? That non-Phds should sit
on their bum all day and something like google will fall in their
lap?
Samir,
What he is trying to say is anybody can be a topper in high school and higher
secondary
--- On Sun, 6/15/08, Fr. Ivo C da Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Therefore, there is no sense in saying that science
should not ignore supernatural ideas that are unprovable.
They are unprovable by empirical sciences. There is
verifiability of Faith. Let Theology take the responsibility...
--- On Sun, 6/15/08, Fr. Ivo C da Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But it will enlighten Science in the meaning of the world and in the realm
of values.
I hope most people will reject interference of this type. The meaning of
scientific concepts and explanations as they relate to the natural
JoeGoaUK's anecdote about the Rs. 20,000 bribe suggests an interesting idea for
exposing corrupt officials on Goanet. Citizens should be encouraged to report
their personal encounters with corrupt officials in Goa. They should be allowed
to do this anonymously if they want. The purpose is to
--- On Wed, 6/18/08, Fr. Ivo C da Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Science together with religion should discuss the phenomena that led to the
acceptance of reincarnation and exorcism.
The above reveals a fundamental and fatal misunderstanding about the nature and
purpose of science. Science
--- On Tue, 6/24/08, Sandeep Heble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dr Santosh Helekar has brilliantly countered Rajan's crude
thoughts in the past.
I cannot match Rajan's brilliance even on matters on which he has not been
interrogated by a committee of experts, nor can I match his crudeness. The way
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--- On Mon, 6/30/08, Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When one points a finger at someone else, there are about
three fingers that point back.
With the definition provided, one needs to look at oneself
to know if one is a bigot.
Trying to look for others who are bigots, may in
--- On Wed, 7/2/08, Samir Kelekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Karnataka is also very focussed in high-tech area such as
IT , while in Goa the in thing is tourism and prostitution.
Haven't they banned boorxe and susegad Goans from migrating to Karnataka yet?
How are they going to preserve their
--- On Wed, 7/2/08, Samir Kelekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Another guy, a good friend of mine now, told me that before
he met me, he had thought all Goans were degenerate.
Samir,
Bebde calling them ghanti does not help, I guess. We are now being told that
they were much cleaner 20 years
The material submitted below does not answer many basic questions. Here are a
few of them:
1. What is meant by a unique Goan identity?
2. Is it associated with the land of Goa or its people?
3. If it is associated with the Goan people, what minimal characteristics
define a person who
Arwin,
I have more serious problems with the new material you have submitted. First,
it appears that you are not able to answer the simple basic questions I had
raised about your separatist movement. You also make erroneous assumptions
about the views of the majority of Goans who are Indian
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 6:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We?don't have to bring in Bebdes and Dukhors in this discussion.?
Cheers
Anesimo??
BTW:?I am told that Biharis?to? indians is what a ghati is to Goans. I am
learning something new everyday!??
Why this bias against bebde and dhukor,
--- On Thu, 7/3/08, Edward Verdes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Santosh Bab,
I agree with you...I am proud to be an IndianI wear
kurta..and if i meet a fellow goan...I always talk to them in Konkani...
Eddiebab,
Good to hear from you. Perhaps, you are unintentionally raising a very valid
--- On Fri, 7/4/08, Arwin Mesquita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No where in the Document, have I stated/implied that this identity movement
is Anti-Indian; nor did I state that this was a separatist movement.
Are you now saying that your movement does not intend to ban any Indian citizen
from
--- On Sat, 7/5/08, anil desai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I believe you should ignore people like Santosh Helekar who really do not
have anything positive to contribute.
I think Dotor Anil is mistaken here. I believe any person who puts forth a
tangible argument on Goanet is making a positive
--- On Sat, 7/5/08, Arwin Mesquita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is the need for Goa to preserve her Identity, Anti-Indian? I
surprisingly notice some using the Indian card to oppose a
genuine issue. (A) They don't understand the real perspective of India or
(B) Vested Interests trying to
--- On Mon, 7/7/08, Sandeep Heble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
After going through the TOI report, I guess we all owe Rajan an apology.
All this time, we were foolish to think that Rajan was Anti-migrants.
We now learn that because of Rajan's Petition, not only will the city be much
cleaner
Marlon,
Thanks for keeping a keen eye to counter the bogus ideological propaganda on
Goanet.
Cheers,
Santosh
--- On Mon, 7/7/08, Marlon Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Anyone who calls these guys whako environmentalists, is probably a bigger
whako himself!
As far as some of the so
Richard Zimler has issued a strong rebuttal on Goa Research Net to the vacuous
innuendo and prejudiced stereotyping that he has had to endure, both publicly
and privately, from his detractors, on the basis of a fictional novel that none
of them seems to have bothered to read.
In addition to
I can understand the dilemma that Arwin is going through. It stems from the
simple fact that he cannot clearly define what he means by his unique Goan
identity, and understand what good its preservation does him. Perhaps, he also
feels a modicum of discomfort in the realization that he is as
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this thread is totally wrong.
What I stated cannot be recast in the antiquated
philosophical dichotomy of monism and dualism. The
current scientific understanding of the brain points
to a much more complicated scenario. Googling for
monism and
--- Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Response:
There you go again Santosh with those words totally
wrong. Of late, you've even begun calling for the
pastoral exile of people who you find totally
wrong.
Very disappointing that was coming from you. I had
truly held you in much higher esteem.
--- Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We are going through the same argument over and over
again.
Which argument? Please state it clearly.
Just because something is unproveable at the present
time, does not mean it will be unproveable sometime
in the future.
What will be provable in
--- Aristo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Santosh, any suggestions for pertinent PS books?
Hi Aristo,
To you and to others who have expressed an interest in
this subject privately, here is a short list of
popular books you might want to read:
Consciousness: An Introduction by Susan Blackmore
In the claim below that medical science is not a
science because it is empirical the author Allwyn has
only provided the definition of the word empirical.
He has not provided the definitions of the terms
empirical science and medical science. From his
limited and partial dictionary definitions of
It is always hard to understand Gilbert when he writes
something original. He goes way over my head
especially when he assumes the role of a humorist on
Goanet. As far as I know, the only person who
understands him well is George Pinto. So please
forgive me if I am misunderstanding him again in my
--- allwyntc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Vividly brings to my mind visions of Don Quixote
versus the
windmills... :) All we need now is a Sancho Panza.
Selma?
There are many who find themselves in the
circumstances in which Don Quixote found himself. I
had written about this earlier on
--- allwyntc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Only that the science has not changed. It was
empirical, it still is empirical. The problem I have
with modern science is that there is too much special
interest driving it.
As you can see, the statement made earlier by Allwyn
that medical science is not
--- Frederick [FN] Noronha
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If Science is all that accurate and self-cleansing,
how come so many horrors have been conducted in the
name of Science? Or is it Doc Helecar's claim
that when Science does exceesses of any kind, it is
not longer Science?
It is my claim
Eddie is right in that Frederick's signature in
OutLook Express appears closest to the Konknni
pronunciation. It sounds like Fraydarik Noronya.
However, its correct Konknni pronunciation is supposed
to be Fredrik Nawrawnya.
However, the real question is how does it appear to
everyone in the same
--- Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Santosh,
Thanks for reviewing and commenting on the contents
on my review / commentary without reading the
original paper.
Gilbert, I read the original paper entitled
Evidence-based medicine: its effect on treatment
recommendations as
--- Bosco D'Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
All Bhandare is appearing to be doing is transporting
content from the Hindi (language) 'chitta' aka Hindi
Blogosphere to Goanet. While a lot of blogs are in
Devnagiri script, many are providing text in
Roman Lipi too.
Hi Bosco,
If you are referring
--- Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is there any implication, in your post that we should
treat him with kid gloves ?
Gabe,
No. Nobody should be treated with kid gloves. I am
just sharing the information I have regarding Chinmay
with Bosco, the Goanet administrator, and doing it
--- Bosco D'Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I hope you have not turned him off Goanet by
revealing information about him.
Hi Bosco,
Thanks for understanding the broader purpose of a post
like mine, which of course does not involve turning
anybody off Goanet. But, as you have figured out, in
Gilbert is now trying to infuse communal sentiments
into this issue. He is deliberately giving you
one-sided information about me.
To refute his bogus assertions let me tell you that I
have spoken out against the harmful beliefs and
practices of all people, irrespective of their
religion. For
Dear Chinmay,
My comments and criticisms are interspersed below:
--- Bhandare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Santosh:
Thanks for pointing out to Bosco the difference
between Hindi and marathi..from where he got the
wild idea that i was using content off hindi blogs
is for him to
It is okay Gilbert. You don't have to explain
yourself. Nobody is perfect.
Cheers,
Santosh
--- Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wished you had read and / or understood the few
lines of my post to Fred where my review was
mentioned. You totally missed the point of that
post.
Chinmay,
Here are my answers to your questions:
--- Bhandare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why do you think I am predisposed against the Chuch?
I stated that you were sympathetic to the RSS ideology
that has such a predisposition. So no matter what you
say people will have that impression
Dear Chinmay,
The answers to your questions below are as follows:
Question 1 I don't know. Bosco will have to respond
to this.
Question 2 and 5 Yes.
Question 3 Others might perceive them as biased. I
am trying to be as objective as I can. But whether I
succeed in being objective or not
Dear Chinmay,
My criticism of Vedic Mathematics is, whatever it is,
it has nothing to do with the Vedas, and the sutras
and upasutras included in it, appear to have entirely
been the concoctions of a 20th century Shankaracharya.
His claim that they are contained in an appendix of
the Atharva Veda
Hi Chinmay,
Continuing my earlier response, my criticism of
Ayurveda is directed at the claim of its promoters
that it is a science of life in the modern sense of
that word. I have written a great deal about this on
Goanet and other Goan forums. Briefly, the least any
science must do is tell us
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--- Frederick \FN\ Noronha
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The current state of neuroscientific understanding
is, may I suggest, wholly irrelevant to people's
beliefs and faiths. So why mock them?
Frederick,
Could you tell me which sentence(s)in my post
constituted mockery? Or is providing
The post appended below propagates dangerous myths and
misinformation regarding cancer treatment in this
public forum.
Here is a link to an article from the Mayo Clinic,
debunking the myth that tumor spreads when it is
exposed to air, and the misinformation that some
experiment in mice showed
Kevin Saldanha [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Both you and Jose appear to have missed the gist of
Gilbert's post.
Hi Kevin,
Sorry, I don't think so. That post was under the
Science and Religion thread. It made the following
unsupported and frivolous claims, and I paraphrase
(Please
--- Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I notice quite a few doctors were in the forefront
in their attacks on religion. Yet when it comes to
abuses in medicine, they are silent. Or they may
voice concern about confusing Goan readers by
alerting them about poor medical practices.
--- Frederick \FN\ Noronha
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What is modern medicine?
Evidence-based scientific medicine.
A god based on the status of the current stage of
human knowledge?
No. There is no god in modern medicine.
Is no rethinking possible?
Yes. Plenty of rethinking is being
I am sorry that Gilbert thinks that I have distorted
one of his claims, made a mistake on one, and
fabricated another one. Because of this dispute he has
gone on and said several negative things about me, and
implied that I am a fool. But I am grateful to him to
have at least been generous enough
I think Gilbert is right about his description of the
surgical treatment of ovarian cancer, as he should be.
The only minor point of contention might be his
rejection of the term aggressive. The nice thing
about modern medical research, or rather, scientific
research in general, is that the latest
It turns out that the American Cancer Society had
conducted a survey on one of the cancer myths that was
posted in this forum. They found that 41% of the
people in America believe in this myth. Here is the
relevant info about it from the American Cancer
Society:
:
Is there anyone besides Santosh Helekar who has
completely missed the point of Gilbert's post?
Peter,
I think you have already demonstrated many times that
you, Gilbert and others who share your views are much
smarter than me at everything. I would therefore
humbly ask you to stop embarrassing me
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