[appengine-java] Using URLFetchService / URL

2011-05-19 Thread yousefgh
I'm using URL Fetch Java API http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/java/urlfetch/overview.html#Fetching_URLs_with_java_net to get information from graph.facebook.com, however, i keep getting the error: java.lang.IllegalArgumentException at java.net.URI.create(URI.java:842) ... Caused

[appengine-java] Re: Can we use the bulkuploader on the local environment?

2011-05-19 Thread Heiko Roth
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[appengine-java] Re: is setHeader(Connection, keep-alive) prohibited?

2011-05-19 Thread Brandon Donnelson
It has to do with limits that are set for the API your using. If you need longer transit times, I would use a task or something like the the Channel API. Or split up the traffic. Brandon Donnelson http://gwt-examples.googlecode.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to

Re: [appengine-java] DeadlineExceededException on Jetty session loading

2011-05-19 Thread Francois Masurel
I've been able to lower the impact of these datastore DeadlineExceededException by setting a global datastore deadline using : http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/java/javadoc/com/google/appengine/api/datastore/DatastoreServiceConfig.html I just catch the ApiProxy$ApiDeadlineExceededException

Re: [appengine-java] DeadlineExceededException on Jetty session loading

2011-05-19 Thread Francois Masurel
I just found something rather strange : After setting a 10 seconds deadline on my datastore service and setting a page reload when deadline exceptions are thrown, I got caught in an infinite loop : pages were reloading for several minutes until a background task using a datastore service

[appengine-java] 500 Server Error

2011-05-19 Thread D S
Hi, Can anyone please help me ? My app works fine in my computer, but after uploaded it to gae server, i received an error. * See my log from appengine logs. [19/May/2011:18:09:41 -0700] GET /agendaxyzdms HTTP/1.1 500 0 - Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:2.0.1) Gecko/20100101

[appengine-java] Coding with Adobe Software

2011-05-19 Thread Daniel Nieblas
Hi my name is Daniel, I'm new to coding, so everything literally feels like a foreign language at this point, but I decided to start learning because I'm interested in developing a news app for smartphones and tablets. Anyway i'm using the Java version of the GAE SDK and was wondering how

[google-appengine] Re: FAQ for out of preview pricing changes

2011-05-19 Thread Dennis
Amount of concurrency / instance is critical for deciding whether to use AppEngine as a platform. Although AppEngine has it's disadvantages (vendor lock-in, restricted architecture, etc), the key reason to choose AppEngine is scalability. The datastore scales. Now we need to focus the other

[google-appengine] Re: FAQ for out of preview pricing changes

2011-05-19 Thread Albert
Q: What is the time granularity of the instance pricing? ie if I have an instance up for 5 minutes, what am I charged, $0.08 / 60*5? A: Instances are charged for their uptime and until they are idle for 15 minutes (when the scheduler takes them down). So if you have an on- demand Instance only

Re: [google-appengine] Re: FAQ for out of preview pricing changes

2011-05-19 Thread Jeff Schnitzer
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Brandon Wirtz drak...@digerat.com wrote: Put some ads on it and it should get to the $9 a month.  Put a donate button on it. It's never that simple, and certainly isn't in this case. That said, Google certainly doesn't owe anyone a free service layer, nor a

RE: [google-appengine] Re: FAQ for out of preview pricing changes

2011-05-19 Thread Brandon Wirtz
Anything getting enough traffic to cross the free barrier should be able to have a revenue stream. Especially if you thought it was going to be a commercial venture. And this is cold hearted but if you have loyal users who are using the app that much and none of them will pony up $.50 a month...

Re: [google-appengine] Bottom-up or top-down approach to GAE web app design

2011-05-19 Thread Jeff Schnitzer
What's driving the requirements? Are you building a consumer app with a clear vision of what the user experience should be? Top down. Or are you starting with an API and trying to figure out how to sanely present that to an audience? Bottom up. It sounds like your ZoeOS was the later and

[google-appengine] Still confused about Storage reported for billing and Datastore

2011-05-19 Thread Brandon Wirtz
I still have 2.5x as much billed usage for HR Storage as I have reported by the datastore admin. I don't have any defined indexes. But I Vacuumed (more than once) and that didn't reduce the number. It's only 10 cents a day on most my apps, but that's $3 a month. (per app) which isn't a

Re: [google-appengine] Re: FAQ for out of preview pricing changes

2011-05-19 Thread Jeff Schnitzer
You presume that my app has a web front end. Most of the users of this particular app are iPhone clients, and the developer responsible for that code has moved on to other projects. ...and actually, there does seem to be a vast chasm between successful apps and unsuccessful ones. I'm not

RE: [google-appengine] Re: FAQ for out of preview pricing changes

2011-05-19 Thread Brandon Wirtz
Pay pal will do $5 a year annual subscriptions. It has a front end... if there is a front end you can stick ads there... Yeah iphone sucks for ad revenueHave you considered that Other mobile OS, the one from Google? ;-) -Original Message- From: google-appengine@googlegroups.com

Re: [google-appengine] Re: FAQ for out of preview pricing changes

2011-05-19 Thread Vinuth Madinur
1. What I pay for appengine is not a function of my revenue. Whether or not I will put adsense in my app is beyond the scope of this thread. 2. Exceeding free quota doesn't happen in as big step as $0 - $9. Mine is an app that deals with images. I would cross free quota only in terms of space

[google-appengine] Re: FAQ for out of preview pricing changes

2011-05-19 Thread Kngt
Greg, Stressing a point made here by Mike Wesner: is the memory limit on (frontend) instances being cut down to 128mb? As far as I know, there was no formal documentation of an instance's memory limit before, but the soft limit error was usually triggered at around 180mb. Should be expect this

[google-appengine] Re: Backends Sample does not work

2011-05-19 Thread uri twig
Thanks, it is really helpful! On May 17, 7:03 pm, Robert Kluin robert.kl...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Uri,   It looks like the remote_api doesn't support lease_tasks.  You should be able to enable leasing and deleting tasks by adding the following lines to the taskqueue service list:          

[google-appengine] Re: Help in uploading a file from Widows Mobile 6.5 device to GAE blobstore

2011-05-19 Thread Chimbu Aravind
Hi, Anyone has any clues on this? Thanks for the help Chimbu On May 16, 1:43 pm, Chimbu Aravind chimbu.li...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Need some help in uploading a file from Widows Mobile 6.5 device to GAE blobstore In the GAE server, I have the following python code; (Its still crude.. )

[google-appengine] Re: FAQ for out of preview pricing changes

2011-05-19 Thread Paul
How about new Google's In App payment system? Looks promising. Thing is, people want too much for free. $9 is less than you pay for internet at home, hosting anything at Google is cheaper than putting old PC in the basement :) I hope that going out of preview will mean even more tools and toys

[google-appengine] Re: Backends Sample does not work

2011-05-19 Thread uri twig
I still get an exception: [Remote API Server] [handler.py:308] ERROR Exception while handling service_name: taskqueue method: QueryAndOwnTasks request: \n\011workitems\021\000\000\000\000\000 \254@\030\024 Traceback (most recent call last): File C:\Program

RE: [google-appengine] Re: FAQ for out of preview pricing changes

2011-05-19 Thread Brandon Wirtz
While we may have varied from original topic of the thread, it is very relevant. For $9 who would you run instead? How much hosting would that buy you at DreamHost? Or Amazon Or Rackspace. Same question at $50, and $500 Most solutions have sweet spots in pricing, and as one of the larger

Re: [google-appengine] Re: FAQ for out of preview pricing changes

2011-05-19 Thread Vinuth Madinur
I get 10 GB of EBS space for free on AWS. It is insane to think it is alright to pay $9 to be able to consume more than 5GB. For $10, you get 100 GB space on AWS. And for $10, you get ~59GB space on appengine. Now, how does it make any sense to pay minimum of $9 to be able to cross the 5GB free

RE: [google-appengine] Still confused about Storage reported for billing and Datastore

2011-05-19 Thread Brandon Wirtz
While I'm at it. My Bytes Sent to Bytes Received ratio is about 10:1, but my Outgoing to Incoming bandwidth ratio is like 10:9 this seems wrong as well. I haven't set up a test case yet, but just wondering if more than just the contents of my URLFetches counts in my Incoming Bandwidth. Like

Re: [google-appengine] Re: FAQ for out of preview pricing changes

2011-05-19 Thread Vinuth Madinur
It is insulting to suggest those opposed to $9/month are freeloaders and expect google to do charity. The issue is not about having to pay 4x-5x. The issue is about fairness. For those who were already paying more than $4 a month, $9/month is a non issue. For everybody else it is an issue. Nobody

[google-appengine] Re: Backends Sample does not work

2011-05-19 Thread uri twig
Hi Greg after applying the patch I get this exception, please help tasks = q.lease_tasks(3600, 20) File C:\Program Files\Google\google_appengine\google\appengine\api \taskqueue\taskqueue.py, line 1041, in lease_tasks response) File C:\Program

[google-appengine] CMS for GAE

2011-05-19 Thread Niklas Rosencrantz
Hi One of the disadvantages with GAE is that there is no CMS like Drupal och Joomla to easily deploy new large projects. Is there a CMS for GAE in the making? I found myself creating the basic functions of a CMS from scratch ie adding, viewing, editing and deleting articles in a categorized

Re: [google-appengine] CMS for GAE

2011-05-19 Thread Prashant
Hi, I am working on a CMS, called claymus http://claymus.googlecode.com which is under-development. I am planning to release a pre-release version asap and a stable version by end of this year. -- Prashant On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Niklas Rosencrantz nikla...@gmail.comwrote: Hi One

[google-appengine] Re: Bottom-up or top-down approach to GAE web app design

2011-05-19 Thread Paul C. Meehan
On May 19, 8:34 am, Jeff Schnitzer j...@infohazard.org wrote: What's driving the requirements?  Are you building a consumer app with a clear vision of what the user experience should be? Pretty much yes - so top down then. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

[google-appengine] Re: Bottom-up or top-down approach to GAE web app design

2011-05-19 Thread Paul C. Meehan
Thanks for everyone's input - it helped. On May 19, 11:48 am, Paul C. Meehan paulm...@gmail.com wrote: On May 19, 8:34 am, Jeff Schnitzer j...@infohazard.org wrote: What's driving the requirements?  Are you building a consumer app with a clear vision of what the user experience should be?

[google-appengine] Re: FAQ for out of preview pricing changes

2011-05-19 Thread Sylvain
Now, how does it make any sense to pay minimum of $9 to be able to cross the 5GB free limit? For me, it makes no sense. I'm working with GAE since the beginning, and the mojo was pay for what you use/need. It's not only a question of $9, but they change the rules with no real explanation. I use

Re: [google-appengine] Re: FAQ for out of preview pricing changes

2011-05-19 Thread Stephen
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Brandon Wirtz drak...@digerat.com wrote: For $9 who would you run instead?  How much hosting would that buy you at DreamHost? Or Amazon Or Rackspace.  Same question at $50, and $500 At Amazon, $500 would buy $500 worth of hosting, $50 would buy $50 worth of

Re: [google-appengine] Still confused about Storage reported for billing and Datastore

2011-05-19 Thread Stephen
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 8:36 AM, Brandon Wirtz drak...@digerat.com wrote: I still have 2.5x as much billed usage for HR Storage as I have reported by the datastore admin. ... It’s only 10 cents a day on most my apps, but that’s $3 a month… (per app) which isn’t a big deal yet, but it adds

Re: [google-appengine] Blob store issue

2011-05-19 Thread Johan Euphrosine
If you use blobstore.create_upload_url() the Blobstore API file will create the blob and call your blobstore_handlers.BlobstoreUploadHandler once the upload is completed. The using self.get_uploads('file') in your handler you will be able to get the BlobInfo corresponding to your file in the blob

[google-appengine] Re: FAQ for out of preview pricing changes

2011-05-19 Thread Rafael Nunes
Agreed. Why should I pay for idle time, if it's idle? That *does not make any sense*! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group,

Re: [google-appengine] Re: FAQ for out of preview pricing changes

2011-05-19 Thread Barry Hunter
One reason is, its there ready to serve a new request. If there is no instance running, one will have to be spun up, adding (possibly significant) delay to the next request. With 15 minutes Google appear to be offering a compromise. It's probably not totally arbitrary number, but based on

[google-appengine] Re: FAQ for out of preview pricing changes

2011-05-19 Thread Wendel
You are using it because the instance is consuming memory. I think the idle time should become lesser compared to the number instances. 1 (primary) 15 minutes idle or always up. 2 (secondary instances) 5 minutes or less. Also if the scheduler starts a secondary instance which during its

Re: [google-appengine] Re: FAQ for out of preview pricing changes

2011-05-19 Thread Stephen
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Barry Hunter barrybhun...@gmail.com wrote: With 15 minutes Google appear to be offering a compromise. This is the problem: they haven't fixed anything they've merely shifted the burden by compromising. Under the current scheme, as Greg explained, full-fat Java

Re: [google-appengine] CMS for GAE

2011-05-19 Thread Niklas Rosencrantz
Thank you Prashant for informing about this exciting project that I will follow. Niklas On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Prashant antsh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I am working on a CMS, called claymus which is under-development. I am planning to release a pre-release version asap and a stable

Re: [google-appengine] Re: FAQ for out of preview pricing changes

2011-05-19 Thread Barry Hunter
Well yes, they have shifted the 'burden' but I see it in a different way. The 'old' way, pretty much promoted low cpu use, even if that came at the expense of latency. The slow requests, would necessitate lots of instances - costing Google. The 'new' way promotes keeping your latency down. Quick

[google-appengine] Re: Error with Dev_Appserver.py

2011-05-19 Thread Calvin
I get that hashlib error a lot. It usually happens when a file that imports hashlib gets recompiled while dev_appserver is running. Restarting dev_appserver gets around the problem, and I've never experienced it while running in production. -- You received this message because you are

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Error with Dev_Appserver.py

2011-05-19 Thread TohSiang©
Nono..It's not the hashlib error. (I see the hashlib warning all the time too.) It's the error messages below that are new. On 19 May 2011 23:20, Calvin calvin.r...@gmail.com wrote: I get that hashlib error a lot. It usually happens when a file that imports hashlib gets recompiled while

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Error with Dev_Appserver.py

2011-05-19 Thread Calvin
Oh, sorry. No I've never seen the EOFError exception before. I would check any recently modified files for stray ctrl characters (ctrl-d?). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Error with Dev_Appserver.py

2011-05-19 Thread TohSiang©
Hmm...very strange. When I do the following, it's fine: c:\program files (x86)\google\google_appengine\appcfg.py update c:\appengine\keikaku On 19 May 2011 23:36, Calvin calvin.r...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, sorry. No I've never seen the EOFError exception before. I would check any recently

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Error with Dev_Appserver.py

2011-05-19 Thread Calvin
Next theory: There could be garbage in your .appcfg_cookies or .appcfg_nag files. Not sure where they live on windows systems. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to

RE: [google-appengine] Still confused about Storage reported for billing and Datastore

2011-05-19 Thread Brandon Wirtz
Yes, Yes, Yes. $9 was the amount of Mt. Dew Per day, not per month. Currently it's across 10 apps, but in the next month it is across 15k domains. Rounding Errors could pay for another 3 interns at that scale. Also because the number seems to be so close to 2.5:1 I wonder if this is a bug.

RE: [google-appengine] CMS for GAE

2011-05-19 Thread Brandon Wirtz
I looked at creating a CMS on AppEngine, and quickly discovered that the issue is that most users of a CMS want their plugins. The hill to get over in terms of install base is formidable when you consider that Java, and Python are not as commonly spoken languages as PHP, Ruby, and ASP. That's

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Error with Dev_Appserver.py

2011-05-19 Thread TohSiang©
That totally worked! Thanks Calvin! On 19 May 2011 23:59, Calvin calvin.r...@gmail.com wrote: Next theory: There could be garbage in your .appcfg_cookies or .appcfg_nag files. Not sure where they live on windows systems. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

[google-appengine] Re: FAQ for out of preview pricing changes

2011-05-19 Thread Kenneth
As a non Google person and someone was pretty shocked about the price changes I have to say you're over-reacting. If your application has a average latency of 250ms (which is quite high imho) you can get 345,600 hits per day on the free tier, apparently forever. If you're getting that kind of

RE: [google-appengine] CPU Billing not updating correctly

2011-05-19 Thread Brandon Wirtz
Verify that none of your other Versions are getting traffic. I have had a few issues where in testing I somehow let the Google Bot know about another version of the site and it got indexed and trafficked and was running up a bill, (and was a pain to get that moved over to the primary version)

Re: [google-appengine] Re: FAQ for out of preview pricing changes

2011-05-19 Thread Vinuth Madinur
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Kenneth kennet...@aladdinschools.comwrote: As a non Google person and someone was pretty shocked about the price changes I have to say you're over-reacting. If your application has a average latency of 250ms (which is quite high imho) you can get 345,600 hits

Re: [google-appengine] CPU Billing not updating correctly

2011-05-19 Thread Gregory D'alesandre
It looks like your CPU went down 2 days ago and you are showing a bill from 3 days ago (usage report for 2011-05-15), wait another day or two and you should see the drop, if not, let me know. Thanks! Greg D'Alesandre Senior Product Manager, Google App Engine On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 9:16 AM,

Re: [google-appengine] Re: FAQ for out of preview pricing changes

2011-05-19 Thread Stephen
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Barry Hunter barrybhun...@gmail.com wrote: Well yes, they have shifted the 'burden' but I see it in a different way. The 'old' way, pretty much promoted low cpu use, even if that came at the expense of latency. The slow requests, would necessitate lots of

Re: [google-appengine] Re: FAQ for out of preview pricing changes

2011-05-19 Thread Barry Hunter
On 19 May 2011 17:31, Stephen sdeasey+gro...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Barry Hunter barrybhun...@gmail.com wrote: Well yes, they have shifted the 'burden' but I see it in a different way. The 'old' way, pretty much promoted low cpu use, even if that came at the expense

Re: [google-appengine] Re: FAQ for out of preview pricing changes

2011-05-19 Thread Kenneth
As far as I know the Blobstore has never been available to free apps and now they're giving you 5gigs free, seems like a pretty big win to me. The 50k free database operations is a bit more nebulous since Google are still scratching their heads over it. With correct memcache usage it really

Re: [google-appengine] Still confused about Storage reported for billing and Datastore

2011-05-19 Thread Stephen Johnson
Hi Brandon, Different Steve here. Anyway, when I mentioned in a different thread about indexes, you also have to count your property indexes as well. For each property that you have indexed (and these wouldn't show up in your configured indexes) you have two indexes defined: one ascending and one

Re: [google-appengine] Re: FAQ for out of preview pricing changes

2011-05-19 Thread Wendel
SLA + Infinitely scalable is what comes to mind. It is not free, the ones who use a paid account have to cover the costs of the free ones as well. It is how their and AWS business model works. So if you want more for free, then the billing prices go up, not a good idea..and not fair. -- You

RE: [google-appengine] Re: FAQ for out of preview pricing changes

2011-05-19 Thread Brandon Wirtz
The 50k free database operations is a bit more nebulous since Google are still scratching their heads over it. With correct memcache usage it really should be enough, although that might be a bit of wishful thinking and obviously depends significantly on your use case. As reference.

RE: [google-appengine] Still confused about Storage reported for billing and Datastore

2011-05-19 Thread Brandon Wirtz
I think I went out of my way to use non-indexable types, but I'll make sure that is the case. I often store things as type blob to prevent indexing. But I may have set some things to the wrong type. You don't think Vacuuming would help with this? Considering all the other data shown in Quota

[google-appengine] High CPU usage

2011-05-19 Thread Ross Burton
Hi, I've just started using AppEngine and am getting warned that my methods are using a high amount of CPU and may exceed the quota. A typical log line: 200 332ms 2048cpu_ms 1951api_cpu_ms 0kb Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/534.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/13.0.767.1

Re: [google-appengine] Re: FAQ for out of preview pricing changes

2011-05-19 Thread Jeff Schnitzer
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Barry Hunter barrybhun...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 May 2011 17:31, Stephen sdeasey+gro...@gmail.com wrote: No, the way it currently works is if your apps latency 1000ms (figures of 800-900ms have also been mentioned) it won't scale. The lower the latency the

Re: [google-appengine] Re: FAQ for out of preview pricing changes

2011-05-19 Thread Vinuth Madinur
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 10:54 PM, Kenneth kennet...@aladdinschools.comwrote: As far as I know the Blobstore has never been available to free apps and now they're giving you 5gigs free, seems like a pretty big win to me. They have had 2GB for free. You only had to enable billing. For

Re: [google-appengine] Re: FAQ for out of preview pricing changes

2011-05-19 Thread Stephen
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Jeff Schnitzer j...@infohazard.org wrote: There is a terrific amount of price signaling going on in this change.  It indicates that:  * Memory is precious, CPU time is almost irrelevant. This is not too surprising; if you look at the rest of the cloud

Re: [google-appengine] Re: FAQ for out of preview pricing changes

2011-05-19 Thread Calvin
To be clear, the 10GB of charity storage is only valid for the first 12 months for new customers. http://aws.amazon.com/free/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to

Re: [google-appengine] FAQ for out of preview pricing changes

2011-05-19 Thread Robert Kluin
Hey Greg, Will we be able to adjust the scheduler for each version of our application? Two use-cases come to mind: 1) different options for Python / Go / Java versions of an app, and 2) different options for 'front-end' versions serving user traffic and processing tasks. Would be nice so that

[google-appengine] Re: High CPU usage

2011-05-19 Thread Calvin
That does seem a high. Does it also say that a new instance was started for this request? That would make it less surprising. Are you storing/getting all the entities in one db call? That's the most straightforward way to speed up requests. There's some overhead to serializing and

Re: RE: [google-appengine] Re: FAQ for out of preview pricing changes

2011-05-19 Thread Dennis
Thanks, Brandon, this is great info! This plus Stephen's info shows how to get scalability without concurrency: No, the way it currently works is if your apps latency 1000ms (figures of 800-900ms have also been mentioned) it won't scale. The lower the latency the more they scale it. So the

Re: [google-appengine] Still confused about Storage reported for billing and Datastore

2011-05-19 Thread Stephen Johnson
Vacuuming just applies to your configured indexes not the single-property indexes themselves. There was a post recently about possibly making it more obvious somewhere in the dataviewer which properties are indexed and which aren't because people can start off with something indexed then unindex

Re: [google-appengine] Re: FAQ for out of preview pricing changes

2011-05-19 Thread Jeff Schnitzer
Yeah, the people building small-scale apps shouldn't worry about the instance quota. They should worry about the datastore operations quota. If, on average, every request queries for 10 entities... your app is limited to 5,000 requests per day. That's 3-4 requests per minute. Not much. And if

Re: RE: [google-appengine] Re: FAQ for out of preview pricing changes

2011-05-19 Thread Dennis
Q: how big is AppEngine? A: 4 x tumblr.com: GAE reached 1 billion page views at the end of last year: http://www.onebigfluke.com/2010/12/nuff-said.html and tumblr.com reached 250 M page views this month: http://staff.tumblr.com/post/5578802048/whoa-yesterday-we-jumped-past-250m-pageviews-a

[google-appengine] Re: High CPU usage

2011-05-19 Thread tempy
I'm also getting really erratic behavior right now, high cpu, deadline exceeded exceptions, 30 second long instance spinups. The status page still says everything's fine though. On May 19, 8:35 pm, Calvin calvin.r...@gmail.com wrote: That does seem a high.  Does it also say that a new instance

Re: [google-appengine] Re: FAQ for out of preview pricing changes

2011-05-19 Thread Vinuth Madinur
It still works out much cheaper than appengine. 10GB on AWS would cost: $1 on appengine: $9.85 (which would get 98.5GB on AWS.) On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 11:54 PM, Calvin calvin.r...@gmail.com wrote: To be clear, the 10GB of charity storage is only valid for the first 12 months for new

[google-appengine] Re: High CPU usage

2011-05-19 Thread Ross Burton
Ah, that is pretty damn cool. No there wasn't an instance started, this is totally typical for an entire day of requests. I've taken a screenshot, http://burtonini.com/temp/appstats.png Unsurprisingly the bulk of the time is spent in datastore_v3.Put(). So, first rookie question. Bar has a

Re: RE: [google-appengine] Re: FAQ for out of preview pricing changes

2011-05-19 Thread Dennis Fogg
yes, it's a google interview question ... for google! ;-) On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 2:45 AM, Dennis dennisf...@gmail.com wrote: Q: how big is AppEngine? A: 4 x tumblr.com: GAE reached 1 billion page views at the end of last year: http://www.onebigfluke.com/2010/12/nuff-said.html and

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Text Encoding Puzzlement

2011-05-19 Thread Joshua Smith
Aha! A superset. That explains it! I've changed my call to pass 'cp1252' instead of 'iso-8859-1' and gotten rid of the replace call, and it seems to be working right now. Thanks so much!!! -Joshua On May 18, 2011, at 11:58 PM, Geoffrey Spear wrote: I'd guess the original encoding is

Re: [google-appengine] Re: FAQ for out of preview pricing changes

2011-05-19 Thread Jeff Schnitzer
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Stephen sdeasey+gro...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Jeff Schnitzer j...@infohazard.org wrote: This is not too surprising; if you look at the rest of the cloud industry, almost all services are priced by the amount of RAM used and make no

[google-appengine] Anyone seeing strange behavior?

2011-05-19 Thread tempy
Last few hours I've been getting random-looking deadline-exceeded exceptions, 30second plus spinups, error code 104 whatever that means. Here's a capture of what should be a 50ms request: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/353497/gaewtf.jpg Anyone else? -- You received this message because you are

[google-appengine] Re: Anyone seeing strange behavior?

2011-05-19 Thread Francois Masurel
Yes and happy to see that I'm not alone. Check these other posts : https://groups.google.com/d/topic/google-appengine/b2TcgwcW6qs/discussion https://groups.google.com/d/topic/google-appengine/gSLESWDEJOc/discussion https://groups.google.com/d/topic/google-appengine-java/6tnyfJLBIXM/discussion

Re: [google-appengine] Re: FAQ for out of preview pricing changes

2011-05-19 Thread Stephen
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 7:55 PM, Jeff Schnitzer j...@infohazard.org wrote: On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Stephen sdeasey+gro...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Jeff Schnitzer j...@infohazard.org wrote: This is not too surprising; if you look at the rest of the cloud

[google-appengine] Re: High CPU usage

2011-05-19 Thread Calvin
I personally hate it when I have to do double puts, especially double puts with no other RPC in between. Allocating ids for keys is an RPC call too, but it would probably end up being faster. Also, you can create a unique key for an object using uuid.uuid4(). key =

[google-appengine] In Python how do you detect if a JPEG uses CMYK color space and how do you convert it to RGB?

2011-05-19 Thread PandaSuit
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6063588/on-google-app-engine-in-python-how-do-you-detect-if-a-jpeg-uses-cmyk-color-space The Images API in Google App Engine does not appear to handle CMYK JPEG images properly when applying transforms. On the production server the resulting image looks washed

Re: [google-appengine] Re: FAQ for out of preview pricing changes

2011-05-19 Thread Calvin
But how much would it cost to have multiple EC2 instances serving the content along with S3 hosting the content? A single micro instance running for a month would be $14. So what you could do is host static content in S3 and host the app in App Engine and save both ways. -- You received

RE: [google-appengine] Still confused about Storage reported for billing and Datastore

2011-05-19 Thread Brandon Wirtz
I had some spots where I wasn't using non-indexed/able data types, hopefully that will reduce this storage. I haven't built a test case, do you happen to know if all types write/read at the same speed assuming they are the same size? -Brandon -Original Message- From:

RE: [google-appengine] Re: FAQ for out of preview pricing changes

2011-05-19 Thread Brandon Wirtz
Depends on the amount of static content. I serve static out of GAE because it is faster than S3 and about the same price depending on your tier. From: google-appengine@googlegroups.com [mailto:google-appengine@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Calvin Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 1:19 PM To:

Re: [google-appengine] Re: FAQ for out of preview pricing changes

2011-05-19 Thread Tim
On Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:42:17 UTC+1, Jeff Schnitzer wrote: Yeah, the people building small-scale apps shouldn't worry about the instance quota. They should worry about the datastore operations quota. Yeah - I'm writing a one-page-webapp (that incidentally rocks on Google Chrome and

Re: [google-appengine] Re: FAQ for out of preview pricing changes

2011-05-19 Thread Vinuth Madinur
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 1:48 AM, Calvin calvin.r...@gmail.com wrote: But how much would it cost to have multiple EC2 instances serving the content along with S3 hosting the content? A single micro instance running for a month would be $14. So what you could do is host static content in S3

[google-appengine] Generating static html files

2011-05-19 Thread PF
Hi! I set up the cron job and collecting data from internet. I'd like to display some statistics about the data. It's pretty enough to update the view once per day. From my point of view the ideal implementation could be to re-generate the index.html file once per day. Definitely I do not want

RE: [google-appengine] Generating static html files

2011-05-19 Thread Brandon Wirtz
Use Memcache logic (not code is as follows) Def(get) MyIndex is None Try MyIndex from memcache return my index If myindex is none my index from datastore, add myindex to memcache, return my index -Original Message- From: google-appengine@googlegroups.com

Re: [google-appengine] Still confused about Storage reported for billing and Datastore

2011-05-19 Thread Stephen Johnson
I would assume so but can't answer that definitely. I think it's based on protobuf but not sure. On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Brandon Wirtz drak...@digerat.com wrote: I had some spots where I wasn't using non-indexed/able data types, hopefully that will reduce this storage. I haven't

Re: [google-appengine] Generating static html files

2011-05-19 Thread Timofey Koolin
You can put generated data to memcache with time parameter for expire your data and datastore, then read it from memcache. If memcache empty - read from datastore. 2011/5/20 PF petr.felzm...@gmail.com Hi! I set up the cron job and collecting data from internet. I'd like to display some

Re: [google-appengine] Re: FAQ for out of preview pricing changes

2011-05-19 Thread Jeff Schnitzer
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Stephen sdeasey+gro...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 7:55 PM, Jeff Schnitzer j...@infohazard.org wrote: http://www.linode.com/index.cfm http://www.rackspace.com/cloud/cloud_hosting_products/servers/pricing/ http://www.slicehost.com/

[google-appengine] Re: Anyone seeing strange behavior?

2011-05-19 Thread Francois Masurel
I have found this in the release notes for the SDK 1.5.0 : Fixed an issue where the API Deadlines were not being enforced in the SDK. http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/wiki/SdkForJavaReleaseNotes It might be related. Also found this older article dealing of consistency and deadlines :

[google-appengine] Re: FAQ for out of preview pricing changes

2011-05-19 Thread nickmilon
@Jeff I would question any comparisons that ends like If you’re going to buy a VPS I’d appreciate it if you used my referral page for Linode or for Slicehost when doing so. I would prefer a donate button and most probably I would contribute. Nick Milon On May 19, 9:55 pm, Jeff Schnitzer

[google-appengine] Re: Anyone seeing strange behavior?

2011-05-19 Thread tempy
My app's been fine up until about 6 hours ago, so I'm pretty sure that you won't find anything in the docs or literature that applies to me, just some sort of infrastructure hiccup. Thanks though! On May 19, 11:10 pm, Francois Masurel f.masu...@gmail.com wrote: I have found this in the release

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Anyone seeing strange behavior?

2011-05-19 Thread Francois MASUREL
On my side, it happens periodically since 1.5.0 update. I'll keep an eye on it. Francois On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 23:36, tempy fay...@gmail.com wrote: My app's been fine up until about 6 hours ago, so I'm pretty sure that you won't find anything in the docs or literature that applies to me,

Re: [google-appengine] Re: FAQ for out of preview pricing changes

2011-05-19 Thread Will
I've never expected it to be a 'charity'. The first time I looked at GAE in 2008, it had a price tag. Here is my experience: 1. I looked at GAE and AWS, GAE won hands down because of its lower price and zero system administrative overhead. 2. I put my business on it seriously. 3. In this three

[google-appengine] Re: FAQ for out of preview pricing changes

2011-05-19 Thread nickmilon
Lots of talk and fighting here with developers comparing App Engine vs AWS vs Rackspace vs any_other_VPS_service_on_earth. There was not such big talk before, coz App Engine looked different from those products both in terms of pricing as well as features. Now, thanks to latest news, it managed to

Re: [google-appengine] Re: FAQ for out of preview pricing changes

2011-05-19 Thread Jeff Schnitzer
If you're worried about his objectivity, it's worth noting that Slicehost performed very poorly - worse than EC2 in most tests. Most likely, he mentions the referral page for Linode and Slicehost because they are the only providers that offer an affiliate program. In the absence of any reason to

[google-appengine] Re: FAQ for out of preview pricing changes

2011-05-19 Thread nickmilon
@Jeff No bad intentions neither for his objectivity nor your findings. I just wanted to say that product - comparison publications should not depend on products/services compared for an income, it is a matter of principle. I would be grateful if you could possibly share your own tests Nick On

[google-appengine] Re: FAQ for out of preview pricing changes

2011-05-19 Thread Raymond C.
250ms / request means you get MAX 4 request/seconds once it shift to instance based pricing. Thats what 1 instance can serve. Your per day concept only applies to CPU based pricing (the current model) A single entity db.get + db.put can cost you more than 250ms sometimes. Many people in this

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