Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...

2008-12-04 Thread Alan Bell
Dr Adam J Trickett wrote: > On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 at 11:35:07AM +, Alan Bell wrote: > >> That would make an interesting project to film for this >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFreeCultureShowcase >> > > Indeed, though you may need to tweak the language so that the > virus claim is to

Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...

2008-12-04 Thread Dr Adam J Trickett
On Tue, 02 Dec 2008 at 11:05:58PM +, Gordon Scott wrote: > > M$ have been running that campaign for some time on their website. > > People really do seem to put themselves on the website as "I'm a PC". > > That's _way_ beyond sad! I know they must be really desparate. At the London Perl W

Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...

2008-12-04 Thread Dr Adam J Trickett
On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 at 11:35:07AM +, Alan Bell wrote: > That would make an interesting project to film for this > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFreeCultureShowcase Indeed, though you may need to tweak the language so that the virus claim is toned down to make sure it's legal. > Alan. > > P

Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...

2008-12-04 Thread B STEVENS
You are licensing the right to receive a television signal, be that by terrestrial, satellite, cable or on your PC. (I abhor the "license" moniker... it's a tax) When I actually proved to them that I wasn't receiving any signal to my television, I was told my TV was "illegal" and I had to have

Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...

2008-12-04 Thread B STEVENS
These people are really vile. They get a commission for each person they "catch" and are quite willing to lie about you. I bought a usb wintv freeview receiver thingy recently and even though my wife (who shares my surname and lives at the same address as me) has a television license, the bugge

Re: [Hampshire] Linux virtual machine inside Windows

2008-12-04 Thread Paul Stimpson
It's already been done. My friend lives in Turkey and they have those there. His online banking displays a keypad to enter the PIN and every time he clicks a digit the numbers all mix up so the screen clicks can't be tracked. The latest Turkish spyware takes a photo of a small square round the m

Re: [Hampshire] Linux virtual machine inside Windows

2008-12-04 Thread Andy Smith
On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 06:17:33PM +, trotter wrote: > At 18:11 04/12/2008, you wrote: > >Hi trotter, > > > >On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 05:54:00PM +, trotter wrote: > > > I was wondering if a keylogger infection inside windows could > > > read keystrokes in a Linux virtual OS. I was thinking

Re: [Hampshire] Linux virtual machine inside Windows

2008-12-04 Thread trotter
At 18:11 04/12/2008, you wrote: >Hi trotter, > >On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 05:54:00PM +, trotter wrote: > > I was wondering if a keylogger infection inside windows could > read keystrokes > > in a Linux virtual OS. I was thinking of setting up a virtual > Linux OS inside > > windows so when i w

Re: [Hampshire] Linux virtual machine inside Windows

2008-12-04 Thread The Holy ettlz
On Thu, 2008-12-04 at 17:54 +, trotter wrote: > I was wondering if a keylogger infection inside windows could read keystrokes > in a Linux virtual OS. Yes. > I was thinking of setting up a virtual Linux OS inside > windows so when i want to purchase online or do some banking I wouldn't > ha

Re: [Hampshire] Linux virtual machine inside Windows

2008-12-04 Thread Andy Smith
Hi trotter, On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 05:54:00PM +, trotter wrote: > I was wondering if a keylogger infection inside windows could read keystrokes > in a Linux virtual OS. I was thinking of setting up a virtual Linux OS inside > windows so when i want to purchase online or do some banking I wou

Re: [Hampshire] Linux virtual machine inside Windows

2008-12-04 Thread Alan Pope
2008/12/4 trotter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > But isn't that the point really? > No, my point was that if you have to go to the extreme of installing an entire VM to run an alternate OS then you're doing it wrong. > You don't necessarily know if windows is free of malware as detection > is reactive to

Re: [Hampshire] Floppy drives

2008-12-04 Thread trotter
At 23:01 03/12/2008, you wrote: >2008/12/3 Bob Jelf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > on Wed 03 December 2008 21:28 Rob wrote > > > > Part of the problem is the only cable I have that has connectors for both > > has no ridge in the centre so I don't know whether I'm alligning it > > correctly. > > > > You

Re: [Hampshire] Linux virtual machine inside Windows

2008-12-04 Thread trotter
At 18:01 04/12/2008, you wrote: >2008/12/4 trotter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I was wondering if a keylogger infection inside windows could > read keystrokes > > in a Linux virtual OS. I was thinking of setting up a virtual > Linux OS inside > > windows so when i want to purchase online or do some

Re: [Hampshire] Linux virtual machine inside Windows

2008-12-04 Thread Alan Pope
2008/12/4 trotter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I was wondering if a keylogger infection inside windows could read keystrokes > in a Linux virtual OS. I was thinking of setting up a virtual Linux OS inside > windows so when i want to purchase online or do some banking I wouldn't > have to reboot into Lin

[Hampshire] Linux virtual machine inside Windows

2008-12-04 Thread trotter
I was wondering if a keylogger infection inside windows could read keystrokes in a Linux virtual OS. I was thinking of setting up a virtual Linux OS inside windows so when i want to purchase online or do some banking I wouldn't have to reboot into Linux. Any thoughts if malware can affect a virt

Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...

2008-12-04 Thread simbobo
Much as I enjoy posts dissing Windows from a superior vantage point, please have a bit of pity for those of us in workplaces where we have XP with Intenet Explorer 6 (do you remember browsing without tabs?) and beaurocracy to get through before any chance of anything as radical as installing Fi

Re: [Hampshire] IBM X41 recovery CDs

2008-12-04 Thread trotter
At 11:49 04/12/2008, you wrote: >Dean Earley wrote: > > Does anyone here have a set of IBM X41 recovery CDs that I could use? > > I've recently had a hard disk die, taking its recovery partition with > > it... :) > > > > Failing that, is there any known way to reset the supervisor password? > >Acco

Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...

2008-12-04 Thread The Holy ettlz
On Thu, 2008-12-04 at 15:06 +, Dr Adam J Trickett wrote: > As you say it is an over simplification but even so there are tens > of thousands of items of malware for Windows and less than > hundreds for Linux. Oversimplification perhaps, but I think accuracy, honesty and openness are importan

Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...

2008-12-04 Thread Dr Adam J Trickett
On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 at 09:58:26AM +, The Holy ettlz wrote: > On Thu, 2008-12-04 at 09:10 +, Paul Stimpson wrote: > > > "How about viruses?" > > > > "None" > > Hmm, this isn't entirely true though, is it? There is a small ecosystem > for Linux malware (cracked forum, anyone?) including a

Re: [Hampshire] irritating ssh behaviour

2008-12-04 Thread Victor Churchill
Yep, just so. Path not initialised, profile not executed ... [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ssh qq3 '/u01/app/oracle/OraHome_1/bin/oerr ORA 12152' ORACLE_HOME not set. Please set ORACLE_HOME and try again. Basically I think we are in an analogous situation to when you set up a cron job to run: you get a m

Re: [Hampshire] irritating ssh behaviour

2008-12-04 Thread Simon Reap
Victor Churchill wrote: > The ssh man page sayeth: > SYNOPSIS > ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] [command] > ... > If command is specified, it is executed on the remote host > instead of a login shell. > > Something's not right.. I htink it is the 2instead of a login shell" that is causing the prob

Re: [Hampshire] irritating ssh behaviour

2008-12-04 Thread Vic
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ssh qq3 "oerr ORA 12152" > bash: line 1: oerr: command not found Have you tried an explicit filespec? Sometimes path is set in different places, and so depends on the way you log in... Vic. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.l

[Hampshire] irritating ssh behaviour

2008-12-04 Thread Victor Churchill
I have an Oracle server which I can access with a passwordless ssh login from my desktop, connecting as the 'oracle' user. In ~/.ssh/config, I have: Host qq3 User oracle , and the appropriate setup of id_dsa.pub, authorized_keys2 etc. I do not have an Oracle installation on the desktop machine its

Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...

2008-12-04 Thread Simon Reap
Lisi wrote: > I would have been entitled to a refund for the > period of the licence which covered school terms. At least you can get refunds now. When I went to work in the US for a year in 1987 I couldn't get a refund on my TV license (couldn't even cancel it), so I just let it lapse a couple

Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...

2008-12-04 Thread Dr Adam J Trickett
On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 at 09:12:42AM +, Jacqui Caren wrote: > Alan Pope wrote: > > Hi Adam, > > > > 2008/12/2 Dr Adam Trickett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> Has anyone been annoyed by the silly Microsoft advert where clueless people > >> claim that they are a PC? > > Nope. Get a decent PVR with an ad

Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...

2008-12-04 Thread Dr Adam J Trickett
On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 at 07:45:39AM -0500, Andy Random wrote: > > On Thu, 4 Dec 2008, Paul Stimpson wrote: > > > It's also true that TV retailers are obliged to inform licensing of > > every TV device purchased and your address as are subscription TV > > providers. > > It is though sometimes the

Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...

2008-12-04 Thread Vic
> I got a letter about a month later saying they had no record of my holding > a TV license at my office address and asking me to either buy one or > explain why not? I ignored it, they wrote to me again about 3 months later > with slightly more threatening language and I ignored that as well. I'v

Re: [Hampshire] Fedora 10 SELinux

2008-12-04 Thread Stuart Sears
John Cooper wrote: > B STEVENS wrote: > >> node=linux.localdomain type=SYSCALL msg=audit(1228205558.218:12): >> arch=4003 syscall=10 success=yes exit=0 a0=9e53790 a1=29 a2=7d9ff4 >> a3=9e53790 items=0 ppid=1 pid= auid=4294967295 uid=0 gid=0 euid=0 >> suid=0 fsuid=0 egid=0 sgid=0 fsgid=0 tty

Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...

2008-12-04 Thread Andy Random
On Thu, 4 Dec 2008, Paul Stimpson wrote: > It's also true that TV retailers are obliged to inform licensing of > every TV device purchased and your address as are subscription TV > providers. It is though sometimes the retailers get it wrong. Last year I bought a Freeview receiver online and

Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...

2008-12-04 Thread Andy Random
On Thu, 4 Dec 2008, Jack Knight wrote: >>> Stephen Rowles wrote: >> I just find I don't watch TV, or even have time to watch TV, with a 7 >> month old child around ;) >> >> I've doubled checked and according to the TV license web site: >> >> "You must be covered by a valid TV Licence if you watch

Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...

2008-12-04 Thread Stephen Rowles
>>I've doubled checked and according to the TV license web site: >> >>"You must be covered by a valid TV Licence if you watch or record >>television programmes as they're being shown on TV." >> >>And from an article on the BBC news: >> >>"The law says that anyone who uses a TV, or any other device,

Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...

2008-12-04 Thread Daniel Pope
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 11:34:13AM +, Alan Bell wrote: > Here http://www.theopenlearningcentre.com/Postcards.pdf > is some sample artwork for postcards we could send to small businesses > (but I think we prefer the full colour version) let me know what you > think. Excellent! Like the conce

Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...

2008-12-04 Thread Jack Knight
>- Original Message - >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Stephen Rowles >Sent: Thu, 12/4/2008 11:53am >To: Hampshire LUG Discussion List >Subject: Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC... > > >> Stephen Rowles wrote: >I just find I don't watch TV, or even have time to watch TV, with

Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...

2008-12-04 Thread Stephen Rowles
> Stephen Rowles wrote: >>> They seem unable to believe that some people actually don't have a TV. >>> My >>> friend deliberately never replies to the letters and makes them come >>> round. >>> >>> I think the last time they did and he refused to let them in. He told >>> them >>> he didn't have a T

Re: [Hampshire] IBM X41 recovery CDs

2008-12-04 Thread Antony
Dean Earley wrote: > Does anyone here have a set of IBM X41 recovery CDs that I could use? > I've recently had a hard disk die, taking its recovery partition with > it... :) > > Failing that, is there any known way to reset the supervisor password? According to this [1] the SVP is stored in eepr

Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...

2008-12-04 Thread Lisi
On Thursday 04 December 2008 11:05:34 Victor Churchill wrote: > I believe it is the case that a licence is required if you have a > piece of equipment that is capable of receiving broadcast material. > If you have a TV screen that you use for watching pre-recorded > material but can demonstrate tha

Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...

2008-12-04 Thread Alan Bell
That would make an interesting project to film for this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFreeCultureShowcase Alan. Paul Stimpson wrote: > "Is it legal?" > > Whispers, "Shhh! Just don't tell Bill!" > > Or... > > Two people outside an office with "Bill" on the door. One of then has a disc > case wit

Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...

2008-12-04 Thread Paul Stimpson
It's also true that TV retailers are obliged to inform licensing of every TV device purchased and your address as are subscription TV providers. Cheers, Paul. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/ma

Re: [Hampshire] TVLA (was: I am a person not a PC...)

2008-12-04 Thread Tony Whitmore
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Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...

2008-12-04 Thread Victor Churchill
2008/12/4 Sean Gibbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > That is odd because I thought you were licensing the set(s) at your > address and and not the right to receive and watch broadcasts as such. I believe it is the case that a licence is required if you have a piece of equipment that is capable of recei

Re: [Hampshire] TVLA (was: I am a person not a PC...)

2008-12-04 Thread Benjamin M. A'Lee
On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 10:07:41AM -, Stephen Rowles wrote: > > They seem unable to believe that some people actually don't have a TV. My > > friend deliberately never replies to the letters and makes them come > > round. > > > > I think the last time they did and he refused to let them in. He

[Hampshire] Bring-a-Box meeting on Sat 13th December

2008-12-04 Thread Dominic Cleal
Hello, This is your semi-automated reminder that the next joint Surrey and Hampshire LUG Bring-a-Box meeting is being held at the University of Surrey in Guildford, on Saturday 13th December.  Doors open from 11am until around 5pm.   http://www.surrey.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?BringABox === W

Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...

2008-12-04 Thread Sean Gibbins
Stephen Rowles wrote: >> They seem unable to believe that some people actually don't have a TV. My >> friend deliberately never replies to the letters and makes them come >> round. >> >> I think the last time they did and he refused to let them in. He told them >> he didn't have a TV. The investiga

Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...

2008-12-04 Thread Stephen Rowles
> They seem unable to believe that some people actually don't have a TV. My > friend deliberately never replies to the letters and makes them come > round. > > I think the last time they did and he refused to let them in. He told them > he didn't have a TV. The investigator challenged him "but you'

Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...

2008-12-04 Thread The Holy ettlz
On Thu, 2008-12-04 at 09:10 +, Paul Stimpson wrote: > "How about viruses?" > > "None" Hmm, this isn't entirely true though, is it? There is a small ecosystem for Linux malware (cracked forum, anyone?) including a handful of viruses. James -- The Holy ettlz [EM

Re: [Hampshire] TVLA - was I am a person not a PC...

2008-12-04 Thread Bond, Peter
> They seem unable to believe that some people actually don't have a TV. My > friend deliberately never replies to the letters and makes them come > round. No-one is obliged to answer the letters - they're demanding that you inform them that you're not committing a crime. Sorry, doesn't work like

Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...

2008-12-04 Thread Paul Stimpson
They seem unable to believe that some people actually don't have a TV. My friend deliberately never replies to the letters and makes them come round. I think the last time they did and he refused to let them in. He told them he didn't have a TV. The investigator challenged him "but you've got a

Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...

2008-12-04 Thread Jacqui Caren
Alan Pope wrote: > Hi Adam, > > 2008/12/2 Dr Adam Trickett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Has anyone been annoyed by the silly Microsoft advert where clueless people >> claim that they are a PC? > Nope. Get a decent PVR with an advert skip button and you'll never > have to see it again :) We decided to

Re: [Hampshire] I am a person not a PC...

2008-12-04 Thread Paul Stimpson
"Is it legal?" Whispers, "Shhh! Just don't tell Bill!" Or... Two people outside an office with "Bill" on the door. One of then has a disc case with Tux and "Linux" on it. "Is it legal?" "Yes" "Does it really work?" "Yes" "Is it quicker than ours?" "Fraid so"" "How about viruses?" "None