Re[2]: [H] Seagate drive died

2007-05-13 Thread Joe User
Hello Hayes, Saturday, May 12, 2007, 9:10:50 PM, you wrote: Tons of WD raptors DOA here, but none have failed on me (36, 74 or 150GB) once they spun up. Same, the one bad one I had was bad out of the box. The only consistency in the hardware industry is inconsistency. Well said. --

Re: [H] Seagate drive died

2007-05-13 Thread chuck
- Original Message - From: Winterlight [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [H] Seagate drive died I think it has more to do with how drives are shipped from the vendor. Vendors use to send these out

Re: [H] Seagate drive died

2007-05-13 Thread Anthony Q. Martin
You bring some interesting points, Chuck. I looked at two HDs yesterday. One is 500 GB external for $130 with a 5 yr warranty, and the other is a 320 GB external for $100 with a 1 yr warranty. The 500 GB is cheaper in terms of $/GB, but that warranty was the reason I bought it, in spite of

Re: [H] Seagate drive died

2007-05-13 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 12:42 AM 13/05/2007, Winterlight wrote: The only consistency in the hardware industry is inconsistency. I think it has more to do with how drives are shipped from the vendor. Vendors use to send these out in boxes with big foam inserts, but now you are lucky if they secure it in bubble

RE: [H] Seagate drive died

2007-05-13 Thread Greg Sevart
Chuck, Your argument is centered around the proposition that there is such a concept as a 1 year drive and a 3/5 year drive. I'm sorry, but that is just patently incorrect. First, the logistics of having two production lines with different procurement processes just isn't economical. Then,

RE: [H] Seagate drive died

2007-05-13 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 12:30 PM 13/05/2007, Greg Sevart wrote: In short: A drive with a 1-year warranty is no more or less reliable than a drive with a 5-year warranty. While your argument seems sound, it doesn't appear to agree with real world testing. I have seen EB and BB drives fail by a factor of at

Re: [H] Seagate drive died

2007-05-13 Thread chuck
- Original Message - From: Thane Sherrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 12:47 PM Subject: RE: [H] Seagate drive died While your argument seems sound, it doesn't appear to agree with real world testing. I have seen

Re: [H] Seagate drive died

2007-05-13 Thread Hayes Elkins
Makes no difference, vendor is not much of a factor. From: Winterlight [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Seagate drive died Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 20:42:41 -0700 The only consistency in

RE: [H] Seagate drive died

2007-05-13 Thread Hayes Elkins
Almost all drives I purchase are from ZZF. The failure rate of the raptors specifically is documented through purchases from them. From: Greg Sevart [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: 'The Hardware List' hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: RE: [H]

Re: [H] Seagate drive died

2007-05-13 Thread chuck
- Original Message - From: Greg Sevart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'The Hardware List' hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 2:41 PM Subject: RE: [H] Seagate drive died Thane, you also mentioned that most of the failures you see are in big-vendor boxes...is it possible

RE: [H] Seagate drive died

2007-05-13 Thread Greg Sevart
Naturally most all components function better in a large, well ventilated case with an adequate power supply. Who but Dell is famous for omitting the CPU fan in many models. They rely on shrouding the airflow through a rear exhaust vent fan. That, along with the power supply fan makes a

Re: [H] Seagate drive died

2007-05-13 Thread Sam Franc
How do you log on to ZZF? I seem to get a MEGAGO WEB directory. Sam Hayes Elkins wrote: Almost all drives I purchase are from ZZF. The failure rate of the raptors specifically is documented through purchases from them.

RE: [H] Seagate drive died

2007-05-13 Thread Greg Sevart
ZZF is short for ZipZoomFly, website here: http://www.zipzoomfly.com/ :) Greg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Franc Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 3:35 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Seagate drive died How

Re: [H] Seagate drive died

2007-05-13 Thread chuck
- Original Message - From: Greg Sevart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'The Hardware List' hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 4:20 PM Subject: RE: [H] Seagate drive died Speaking only regarding the CPU, the thermal solutions I see on many Dell machines (esp. Dimension

RE: [H] Seagate drive died

2007-05-13 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 03:41 PM 13/05/2007, Greg Sevart wrote: for a given model, there is no difference in reliability or quality between a drive sold with a 1 year warranty vs. one sold with a 3 or 5 year warranty. A good example is WD: internal retail packaged drives, regardless of model*, carry a one-year

Re[2]: [H] Seagate drive died

2007-05-13 Thread Joe User
Hello Thane, Sunday, May 13, 2007, 11:47:38 AM, you wrote: While your argument seems sound, it doesn't appear to agree with real world testing. I have seen EB and BB drives fail by a factor of at least a factor of 5 over JB drives. The EB/BB line are WD's one year warranty drives (with

Re: [H] iPod and the like suggestions/help

2007-05-13 Thread j maccraw
Bah, for MP3's only I'd look into Sansa. For video use the Creative Zen Vision W is worth it for screen alone even if it is mired in Microsoft's MTP. There is also Archos, Wolverine if you need heavy storage bigger screen than iPod + video. Joe User wrote: Think I am going to go with the

Re: [H] Seagate drive died

2007-05-13 Thread j maccraw
ASI? Reputation, hahahahaha. Somehting change in the past 10 years with them? They're nothing special from memory, no better or worse than ZZF or NE. When a drive dies it's not the resellers fault and they simply pass the buck onto the OEM vendor. Resllers sell what sells makes profit, not

Re: [H] Seagate drive died

2007-05-13 Thread j maccraw
That thermal hood method is a recommended solution last time I checked and the fan in my GX260 moves more air than standard cpu fan + case fan setup IMO. 5400 RPM drives run cooler (and slower), hence why they are used in set top cable TV DVR boxes by SA the like. Granted this does nothing

Re: [H] Seagate drive died

2007-05-13 Thread j maccraw
Many of us have over the years Chuck, if a customer understood that they wouldn't need you to build it for them. PRICE PERCEIVED size speed of different vendors complete systems (and software for some dumb reason) drive customer choices and decisions over who to buy from not what

RE: [H] Seagate drive died

2007-05-13 Thread CW
In general, people who are saving up $3-$10 on a $50 HDD are putting drives in a bad condition (MBs, PSUs, etc.) and generally cheap out across the board. A JB HDD combined with a Deer 355W PSU is probably more likely to fail then say, a BB combined with an Antec PSU and a good MB/cooling

[H] OT: Microsoft takes on the free world

2007-05-13 Thread Steve
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/05/28/100033867/index.htm Aside from the story, look at the url. Either I'm still hung over and senseless or is that back to the future i.e 2007/05/28

Re: [H] OT: Microsoft takes on the free world

2007-05-13 Thread CW
I think that's because that's the print issue it iwll appear in. -Original message- From: Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 17:26:39 -0700 To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] OT: Microsoft takes on the free world

RE: [H] Multi-handset phones 5.8 GHz

2007-05-13 Thread Bobby Heid
We have the Panasonic KX-TG5672B 5.8 GHz FHSS GigaRange Digital Cordless Answering System with Dual Handsets http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000F8L506/sr=1-2/qid=1179106326/ref=dp_cp_ ob_title_3/103-0168144-8480605?ie=UTF8qid=1179106326sr=1-2 and have not had any problems either. I'd say that

[H] Dual Core AMD performance

2007-05-13 Thread James Maki
Am I going to see a real world difference in upgrading from a 3700+ AMD64 single core (2.2 GHz) to a 4200+ AMD64 X2 (2.2 GHz) or 2.2 GHz dual core Opteron? Enough to justify the $125-$235 expense? Main cpu intensive use is video editing with Nero 6.6 and xvid coding using AutoGK. Appreciate the

Re[2]: [H] Running batch file at safe mode startup

2007-05-13 Thread Joe User
Hello Thane, Friday, May 11, 2007, 2:49:30 PM, you wrote: At 04:39 PM 11/05/2007, Joe User wrote: Hello Thane, Friday, May 11, 2007, 11:22:34 AM, you wrote: Does anyone know if I can run a batch file at startup when starting in Safe Mode? I know some things start, so I'm thinking there's

Re: [H] Dual Core AMD performance

2007-05-13 Thread Brian Weeden
You will see a difference under two scenarios: 1) you are using a program that recognizes and can take advantage of 2 CPUs or 2) you do more than 1 CPU intensive task at once. I don't know if Nero/AutoGK are multi-CPU aware or not. -- Brian On 5/13/07, James Maki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am