[H] Good backup software

2007-12-11 Thread Thane Sherrington
I'm looking for a rock reliable backup program that will allow me to schedule backups to CD and DVD. Any suggestions? T

Re: [H] Good backup software

2007-12-11 Thread Brian Weeden
If you are looking to make backup images of installed OSes, I have been using Acronis Disk Image tools to backups images of my windows systems for about a year now. I made a primary image when I first installed and then once a week Acronis builds a differential for me automatically and I have it s

Re: [H] Good backup software

2007-12-11 Thread FORC5
FWIW I use System Guardian ( Standby Disk ) Back up daily to a second HD, fully bootable without having to go thru a restore. Much more convenient then restoring from server or disk, and faster. Has saved my bacon more then once ( and my customers ) least amount of downtime of ANY backup SW. Ove

Re: [H] Good backup software

2007-12-12 Thread Al
FORC5 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > FWIW I use System Guardian ( Standby Disk ) > IMO is nothing finer. > fp I'm glad it works for you. I see a point of weakness with this method. Both drives are hot all the time. A errant power supply (power spike/lightening/fire sprinklers/spilled cup-o-joe/.

Re: [H] Good backup software

2007-12-12 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 07:45 PM 11/12/2007, Brian Weeden wrote: If you are looking to make backup images of installed OSes, I have been using Acronis Disk Image tools to backups images of my windows systems for about a year now. I made a primary image when I first installed and then once a week Acronis builds a dif

Re: [H] Good backup software

2007-12-12 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 07:14 AM 12/12/2007, Al wrote: I'm glad it works for you. I see a point of weakness with this method. Both drives are hot all the time. A errant power supply (power spike/lightening/fire sprinklers/spilled cup-o-joe/...) could take out both drives. I used to do something similar with Partit

Re: [H] Good backup software

2007-12-12 Thread Brian Weeden
There are three backup types (AFAIK): full, incremental, and differential. I use differential, which is a file containing everything that was different between the current state and the original. So when I want to restore I need the original and the latest differential. If I were using increment

Re: [H] Good backup software

2007-12-12 Thread Thane Sherrington
This sounds RAID like but without the continuous backup of RAID, or are you backing up to an external drive? In my case, I was more concerned about data backups that can be easily taken offsite, so CD or DVD is the best choice (since I can't get people to spring for $1200 tape drives.) But af

Re: [H] Good backup software

2007-12-12 Thread Brian Weeden
I think one of the questions you need to ask is why are you doing the backups? What do you want from the solution? For me, my primary reason is in case my boot HD fails. Secondary is to speed up reinstalls because you know Windows is gonna need one every 6-12 months. Recovery of accidentally del

Re: [H] Good backup software

2007-12-12 Thread Al
P.S. I have one and like it. I can make a working, bootable backup; then hook it up and add incremental changes in almost real time. Script to copy mail folder, etc. daily. Easy to remove and store off site. Main drive dies; grab the one out of the portable case; Install in lappy. Apply the incr

Re: [H] Good backup software

2007-12-12 Thread Al
Thane Sherrington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Removable drive racks won't work for > me in every case, as I have a lot of customers who only use laptops - If your computer has USB port and run MS Windows 98SE/ME/XP/2000 or later , you can use this small size, light weight USB port external

Re: [H] Good backup software

2007-12-12 Thread Thane Sherrington
Oh, ok, that makes sense. So all you need to do is keep a good backup of the original. That might be workable for me. Thanks. T At 07:59 AM 12/12/2007, Brian Weeden wrote: There are three backup types (AFAIK): full, incremental, and differential. I use differential, which is a file contain

Re: [H] Good backup software

2007-12-12 Thread FORC5
external clones are not always bootable, I have had this work good for my customers using the new Dell's with no room for another internal drive and most of the time works fine. Worst case is a repair install. fp At 05:21 AM 12/12/2007, Al Poked the stick with: >P.S. >I have one and like it. I

Re: [H] Good backup software

2007-12-12 Thread Rick Glazier
From: "Thane Sherrington" < Removable drive racks won't work for me in every case, as I have a lot of customers who only use laptops - so I guess a backup to external would be the way to go - the downside I see is the time it takes to image an entire drive (I don't think full plus a bunch of d

Re: [H] Good backup software

2007-12-12 Thread FORC5
that is why I pool the drives, have multiple backup drives, best case for off site storage. Only pain is system has to be shut down to change the drives, have not had the nerve to try this hot, even on SATA drives. I only pool weekly. ( when I remember ) My Business data is backed up separately

Re: [H] Good backup software

2007-12-12 Thread Rick Glazier
From: "Brian Weeden" Recovery of accidentally deleted files was not something I needed so my solution doesn't allow for that easily. I think I can mount of the .tib images and recover a file from it but I've never tried and it would certainly be more difficult than another backup solution, say T

Re: [H] Good backup software

2007-12-12 Thread Anthony Q. Martin
What would be really nice is to have a drive that can be turned on my softwareso that when it's time for a scheduled backup, the software turns on the drive, waits for it to be ready, and then does the backup task...then finally powers the drive down. Why don't have have this already? Al

Re: [H] Good backup software

2007-12-12 Thread Thane Sherrington
Well if the PS spiked, then anything connected to it (on or off) could easily be affected. You'd need a physical switch, not just an electronic switch, to protect the drive. T At 09:18 AM 12/12/2007, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: What would be really nice is to have a drive that can be turned on

Re: [H] Good backup software

2007-12-12 Thread Anthony Q. Martin
You can make an electronic switch with activates a physical switch! Thane Sherrington wrote: Well if the PS spiked, then anything connected to it (on or off) could easily be affected. You'd need a physical switch, not just an electronic switch, to protect the drive. T At 09:18 AM 12/12/2007

Re: [H] Good backup software

2007-12-12 Thread DHSinclair
Well yes. Sort of. Not a 'physical switch' like a wall switch, but 'physical' enough to control hd's remotely. If you want to control AC, like for a remote hd box plugged into the wall, you could use triacs or diacs. The infamous "Clapper" is just a triac triggered by an scr triggered by a mi

Re: [H] Good backup software

2007-12-12 Thread Al
T, Please let us know what you solution go with. best, al

Re: [H] Good backup software

2007-12-12 Thread Christopher Fisk
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007, Thane Sherrington wrote: This sounds RAID like but without the continuous backup of RAID, or are you backing up to an external drive? In my case, I was more concerned about data backups that can be easily taken offsite, so CD or DVD is the best choice (since I can't get p

Re: [H] Good backup software

2007-12-12 Thread Christopher Fisk
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007, Thane Sherrington wrote: It's got to be scheduled. I know this sounds ridiculous, but I can't depend on someone pressing a button. I have the same kind of customers you do =) The problem is, the more accountability you remove from the user and put into the computer mean

Re: [H] Good backup software

2007-12-12 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 01:13 PM 12/12/2007, Christopher Fisk wrote: If you're mostly worried about data backup and want a cheapo solution, I can recommend the Maxtor One Touch system. it's an External drive with a button. Once configured, that button launches a backup of your choice setup through the maxtor sof

Re: [H] Good backup software

2007-12-12 Thread Anthony Q. Martin
This is why having the soffware schedule a wake up, power up the HD, back up, power down the HD, and resume is a good solution. No human interaction (or minimal, at least). Electrical isolation and non-spinning protects the HD (and data). Thane Sherrington wrote: At 01:13 PM 12/12/2007, Chris

Re: [H] Good backup software

2007-12-12 Thread Alex
Why hasn't anyone mentioned Windows Home Server? Backups is one of it's highly touted features. Windows only of course. *had a xmas dinner this weekend with mostly M$ folks, I'm semi-brainwashed* On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:13:25 -0500 (EST), Christopher Fisk wrote > On Wed, 12 Dec 2007, Thane Sherrin

Re: [H] Good backup software

2007-12-12 Thread j maccraw
You'd get more out of a customized windows installer if "Windows is gonna need one every 6-12 months" than simple backups. Customization like nLite, setup.txt, or even just some custom .INF's beat a image backup IMHO since they can recreate their magic selectively. Then you have WPI which is a g

Re: [H] Good backup software

2007-12-12 Thread j maccraw
Don't reinvent the wheel, X10 (carrier current operated) switches exist for both AC & dry-contact! Clapper is just bad... DHSinclair wrote: > Well yes. Sort of. Not a 'physical switch' like a wall switch, but > 'physical' enough to control hd's remotely. > > If you want to control AC, like for

Re: [H] Good backup software

2007-12-12 Thread Brian Weeden
Somehow I can't justify spending $150 (or whatever it is) just to serve files and do backups. Any flavor of Linux can do the exact same thing for free and will require a heckuva lot less resources. Couldn't tell if you were being sarcastic or not :) On Dec 12, 2007 3:07 PM, Alex <[EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: [H] Good backup software

2007-12-12 Thread Greg Sevart
ardware- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thane Sherrington > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 6:42 AM > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com > Subject: Re: [H] Good backup software > > Oh, ok, that makes sense. So all you need to do is keep a good > backup of the original. That mig

Re: [H] Good backup software

2007-12-13 Thread j maccraw
There are X10 setups that can do this by hardware or software schedule. A PUM01 has 24VDC dry-contacts I'd imagine could handle [EMAIL PROTECTED] There are also 120V appliance 3-prong modules but I find that loads like PSU's tend to turn the module back on when you turn it off. Partially by desi