Hey ppl,
Lots of good replies from the group;
FROM:
But I'm not about to feel guilty for buying and driving a vehicle I like and
can afford.
Paraphrase:
Of the things to consider, the environment is not a factor. I have the
bucks and I want it. After all, it's all about me.
Until then
P.S.
Let me say, if one wants to drive a big fat V8, I believe in freedom.
Please drive one.
But that driver should pay for the extra pollution.
It's the pricing system that does not reflect the true cost of driving
that big V8.
Thx for your time.
Al
Al [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
so maybe we should wipe our ass with our left hand.
get a life, things evolve.
At 07:18 AM 3/4/2006, Al Poked the stick with:
Blind greed capitalism has the Western Culture (double for Americans)
hoodwinked into thinking bigger, faster, more, and the some more after
that is the way to a happy
big v8's keep the cost of fuel down and do not pollute any more then anything
else, some may even be better. Basically new cars just do not put that much out
the pipe with cats. do not believe me run with the garage door closed and see.
At 07:37 AM 3/4/2006, Al Poked the stick with:
P.S.
Let
FROM:
But I'm not about to feel guilty for buying and driving a vehicle I like
and
can afford.
Paraphrase:
Of the things to consider, the environment is not a factor. I have the
bucks and I want it. After all, it's all about me.
Until then (the pie in the shy perfect electric car), I'm
Greg Sevart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Are you saying I should spend tens of thousands to buy an inferior vehicle
that I won't like?
No, of course not. More later.
That's asinine. I may have pie in the sky requirements
before alternative energy cars are appealing to me, yes, but you
You are all still the same argumentative personal attacking people as when
I left. Attack the arguments, not the people.
On Sat, Mar 04, 2006 at 09:39:37AM -0700, Al wrote:
Greg Sevart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Are you saying I should spend tens of thousands to buy an inferior vehicle
FORC5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
no proof, a volcanic eruption can do more damage in a day then cars in 1000
years, besides, the earth is pretty good at using it's left hand.
need to get off save the planet, the planet is just fine and will always be
just fine, until the next mass
Well in Phoenix it is a black hole for a battery's failure.
Mark Dodge
MD Computers
360-772-2433
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At 09:17 PM 02/03/2006, Greg Sevart wrote:
But I'm not about to feel guilty for buying and driving a vehicle I
like and can afford.
I think that's his point. Either you honestly don't feel guilty, or
you choose not too. The question is - shouldn't one feel guilty
about buying more of
that would be great, guess I need to do some homework on this it is just
because they do not seem to be able to build a decent battery anymore ( outside
of Optima ) that will last.
fp
At 09:04 PM 3/2/2006, Christopher Fisk Poked the stick with:
On Thu, 2 Mar 2006, FORC5 wrote:
I'm interested
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I'm interested in what the greenies are going to do when all those batteries
hit the scrap pile.
IMO large vehicles keep gas prices lower, big oil is not going to live with
lower profits which is what would happen if all cars got 50mph
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 19:17:15 -0600
Oh, don't feel too bad. I'm currently at 4100lbs, and am looking at two
vehicles...one at 4500lbs, the other at 4900lbs.
But I'm not about to feel guilty for buying
At 09:02 AM 3/3/2006, warpmedia typed:
Better we work on filtering technology then creating more nuclear
waste that can't be gotten rid of, only stored. Then there's the
issue that a nuke plant is essentially a dirty bomb ripe to be detonated.
Not really even if it were true do you know how
Oh and http://www.biodieselnow.com/
From: Hayes Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 09:16:29 -0500
The easy answer is to get a vehicle
The funny thing is you have all these american car companies saying
it's soo hard to get off gas, do a google on Brazil and Ethanol, you
can get a car down there that will switch from deisel or gas to
ethanol with the flip of a switch so you can use what's convenient,
guess who makes those cars -
As I understand it the real problem with ethanol is that it won't go
though existing pipelines.
And THAT is a monster of a chicken-egg issue.
On 3/3/06, j m g [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The funny thing is you have all these american car companies saying
it's soo hard to get off gas, do a
also takes more energy to produce then gas
fp
At 07:58 AM 3/3/2006, G.Waleed Kavalec Poked the stick with:
As I understand it the real problem with ethanol is that it won't go
though existing pipelines.
And THAT is a monster of a chicken-egg issue.
On 3/3/06, j m g [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Corn based ethanol. Soybean based ethanol is efficient.
FORC5 wrote:
also takes more energy to produce then gas
fp
50% (20% now) of our KWH coming from nuclear
sources.
Greg
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The reality is, though
At 03:35 PM 03/03/2006, j m g wrote:
So?
I'm sure 150 years ago if someone had done the math all the energy
expended to create steam would have paralyzed people with the fear
that steam was impractical. None of this stuff happens in a bubble,
we've been stuck with oil/gas and no mass transport
At 03:18 PM 03/03/2006, Hayes Elkins wrote:
In one of the articles you linked earlier - the author mentions that
even if biodiesel or some other green fuel achieves a perfect
balance of widespread use with low resources used to cultivate, in
the end it means nothing unless the population of
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Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 7:06 AM Subject: RE: [H] google search for failure The reality is, though, the electric type cars, etc. all require you to
create
Chris,
Everyone is so terrified of Nuclear Power, which numerous other places
in the world use to great success, that they are willing to do almost
anything else with other permanent damage because they find it much
easier to sell.
Without the major federal subsidies (meaning your tax
On 3 Mar 2006 at 8:45, FORC5 wrote:
also takes more energy to produce then gas
Actually not.
The US Department of Agriculture reports a net energy balance for ethanol
production of 1.67. In other words, for every one unit of energy used to
produce ethanol and its
accompanying co-products,
Hayes,
Exceptyou do not need soybeans to make biodiesel! Pretty much any
vegetable oil can be used at this point
Or grapeseed oil, canola oil, peanut oil, and many others.
Vince
Al wrote:
The weather guy on the local NBC affiliate said the other day as they
were discussing something caught on video tape, I mean, come on. Who
doesn't have a video camera these days?
I don't have a video camera. :)
15% of the worlds population uses 90% of the worlds consumables.
Ben; thx for the reply.
Ben Ruset [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Al wrote:
The weather guy on the local NBC affiliate said the other day as they
were discussing something caught on video tape, I mean, come on. Who
doesn't have a video camera these days?
I don't have a video camera. :)
I drive my 2500lb SUV 1 mile to get on a bus to NY. Am I green or
wasteful? :)
Also, my cellphone can take video, so I guess I do have some form of
video camera.
FORC5 wrote:
I do not have one of those or a video camera.
fp
At 08:33 AM 3/2/2006, Al Poked the stick with:
The scary part is
evolution baby :-}
At 03:24 PM 3/2/2006, Ben Ruset Poked the stick with:
I drive my 2500lb SUV 1 mile to get on a bus to NY. Am I green or wasteful? :)
Also, my cellphone can take video, so I guess I do have some form of video
camera.
FORC5 wrote:
I do not have one of those or a video camera.
Hah!
2006 Wrangler...the lightest one (2.4L I4 with manual tranny) is 3200lbs.
:)
Greg
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Jeep
What SUV weighs 2500lbs? A mini-cooper-UV?
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 17:24:24 -0500
I drive my 2500lb SUV 1 mile
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Oh. Well then I am even worse.
Greg Sevart wrote:
Hah!
2006 Wrangler...the lightest one (2.4L I4
I'm interested in what the greenies are going to do when all those batteries
hit the scrap pile.
IMO large vehicles keep gas prices lower, big oil is not going to live with
lower profits which is what would happen if all cars got 50mph, they would
raise the rates to keep profits the same, we
I'm all about the hydrogen powered car.
They should have made the turbine car from the 1960s. That thing could
run on perfume.
Greg Sevart wrote:
Oh, don't feel too bad. I'm currently at 4100lbs, and am looking at two
vehicles...one at 4500lbs, the other at 4900lbs.
But I'm not about to
May upset some but I think it is funny. (well, not funny but more like
hitting the head of the nail)
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