Re: Hating broken mailers!

2008-07-05 Thread Sean Conner
It was thus said that the Great Aristotle Pagaltzis once stated: > > That's *all* you need in mail. There is absolutely zero need for > any fancy layouting. Email is supposed to be something where you > can hit Reply and reasonably respond to pieces of the message > inline. An email is not a frack

Re: Hating broken mailers!

2008-07-05 Thread Aristotle Pagaltzis
* Zach White [2008-07-05 17:15]: > A common behavior that this mechanism breaks is to copy a piece > of text (say, from a terminal window) and go over to a text > input box (say, the google search box in firefox) to paste it. > If I planned to use the "highlight and middle click strategy" I > now

Re: Hating broken mailers!

2008-07-05 Thread Zach White
On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 7:14 AM, Joshua Juran wrote: > > On Jul 5, 2008, at 6:48 AM, Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote: >> >> The dazzling brilliance of X11 select-to-copy and middleclick- >> to-paste is nowhere as blinding as when dealing with URLs. X11 is >> atrocious in many ways, but this is something

Re: Hating broken mailers!

2008-07-05 Thread Aristotle Pagaltzis
* Joshua Juran [2008-07-05 16:15]: > So if you accidently click somewhere you lose the clipboard > contents, and if you accidentally middle-click in the wrong > place you've just splatted random text into an unrelated > document, or maybe your shell? HATE. Errm, what? In nearly a decade of using

Re: Hating broken mailers!

2008-07-05 Thread Joshua Juran
On Jul 5, 2008, at 6:48 AM, Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote: * Joshua Juran [2008-07-05 15:30]: I've gotten messages of the form some text URL more text where clicking on the URL does nothing because the sender didn't mark it up with . The dazzling brilliance of X11 select-to-copy and middleclick-

Re: Hating broken mailers!

2008-07-05 Thread Aristotle Pagaltzis
* Joshua Juran [2008-07-05 16:00]: >> Email is supposed to be something where you can hit Reply and >> reasonably respond to pieces of the message inline. > > That would rule out then. No. It has a `start` attribute for precisely this case. > At $PREVIOUS_JOB we used Outlook, and sometimes I'd

Re: Hating broken mailers!

2008-07-05 Thread Joshua Juran
On Jul 4, 2008, at 10:36 PM, Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote: * Peter da Silva [2008-07-05 02:45]: No, the big problem is that most people are writing their "rich text" mail with mail software that is incomprehensibly hateful. HTML mail should be restricted to /, /, / (not nestable), //, //, and /

Re: Hating broken mailers!

2008-07-05 Thread Aristotle Pagaltzis
* Joshua Juran [2008-07-05 15:30]: > I've gotten messages of the form some text URL more > text where clicking on the URL does nothing > because the sender didn't mark it up with . The dazzling brilliance of X11 select-to-copy and middleclick- to-paste is nowhere as blinding as when dealing with

Re: Hating broken mailers!

2008-07-05 Thread Joshua Juran
On Jul 5, 2008, at 2:07 AM, David Cantrell wrote: If the HTML wasn't shit I wouldn't mind. But it always is. It's always a fancy layout (because they're trying to reproduce what they'd do on paper, but that doesn't work in the small space available in most mail clients) or an ugly layout (be

Re: Hating broken mailers!

2008-07-05 Thread Peter da Silva
On 2008-07-05, at 04:07, David Cantrell wrote: A better comparison would be between a book, which is and always will be superior, and a TV adaptation done with a single VHS camcorder, no tripod, and a cast of spastics. The Blair Witch Project?

Re: Hating broken mailers!

2008-07-05 Thread David Cantrell
On Sat, Jul 05, 2008 at 01:03:11AM +0100, Earle Martin wrote: > > ... their HTML shit I don't WANT to see their garbage > This attitude bemuses me whenever I encounter it; it reminds me of > those people who insist that the theater is and always will be > superior to the "moving pictures". A

Re: Hating broken mailers!

2008-07-05 Thread Aristotle Pagaltzis
* Peter da Silva [2008-07-05 02:45]: > No, the big problem is that most people are writing their "rich > text" mail with mail software that is incomprehensibly hateful. HTML mail should be restricted to /, /, / (not nestable), //, //, and //. And of course . OK, maybe table markup also, but only

Re: Hating broken mailers!

2008-07-05 Thread Peter da Silva
On 2008-07-04, at 19:03, Earle Martin wrote: ... their HTML shit I don't WANT to see their garbage This attitude bemuses me whenever I encounter it; it reminds me of those people who insist that the theater is and always will be superior to the "moving pictures". I suppose it depends o

Re: Hating broken mailers!

2008-07-05 Thread Earle Martin
> ... their HTML shit I don't WANT to see their garbage This attitude bemuses me whenever I encounter it; it reminds me of those people who insist that the theater is and always will be superior to the "moving pictures". Still, I guess that if you insist on driving a horse and carriage on the