loved the jay and silent bob reference sandy :)
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of SANDY LEBLANC
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 6:53 PM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: RE: [hlds] Coming Soon BS...
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FFS. All I said was that x64 is not supported by Valve. Meaning they
don't have to rollback anything for an operating system that they do not
officially support. I know they are looking into 64 bit extentions, but
that does not mean they are officially offering technical support or
offering
.
Roll back on client...
This has nothing to do with this server-list unless someone claims that the
server is affected.. which I have not seen yet. Saying that Steam.exe is the
problem and therefore affect both servers and clients is just silly.
That other clients is affected when someone
Clayton Macleod wrote:
I think perhaps a refresher is warranted here, since you're forgetting
one basic fact, which is even mentioned in the article listed.
How many kernels have you built?
Virtual Memory is always in use, even when the memory required by all
running processes does not
uh, yeah. Like I said, you need a refresher. It's quite apparent
from your disabling the paging executive statement. Clearly you
think you are disabling something called the paging executive which
you think means you're causing the OS to hit the pagefile less. Sorry
to tell you, but the
Clayton - you have mostly understood the articles you have read. Whilst
you understand the general principle of a paging system, clearly, you
misunderstand that they are systematic, logical and non-optimal as with
caching algorithms.
Clayton Macleod wrote:
MS themselves say that there is no way
Well it doesn't matter to me unless the servers are available, until
that time I have no interest, so please keep your player issues to the
player oriented forums, thank you.
stalker333 wrote:
Valve,
Wasn't going to post about this, but every time I look at it, it pisses
me off. S...
Clayton Macleod wrote:
uh, yeah. Like I said, you need a refresher. It's quite apparent
from your disabling the paging executive statement. Clearly you
think you are disabling something called the paging executive which
you think means you're causing the OS to hit the pagefile less. Sorry
hahahaha, I'm just having a conversation, Mr. Angry Eyes.
On 8/15/05, James Tucker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Go check explorer performance in this scenario and fuck off with your
arrogance. If you think that dynamic systems can be optimised form the
theoretical standpoint then you have little
actually, no, task manager doesn't tell you exactly what you think it
is telling you. If MS didn't purge their beta newsgroups after the end
of their betas I could find a quote for you. (dammit) I'm not sure if
a similar explanation is in any of their public docs or not. I'll take
a look in the
Clayton Macleod wrote:
actually, no, task manager doesn't tell you exactly what you think it
is telling you. If MS didn't purge their beta newsgroups after the end
of their betas I could find a quote for you. (dammit) I'm not sure if
a similar explanation is in any of their public docs or not.
re: memory reporting, even the working set value you get from the
'performance monitor' doesn't really necessarily tell you how much RAM
the process is actually using just for itself, because this value
includes any shared memory, not just private memory. I'm honestly
sorry that I can't recall
well, I guess there would be some collateral damage done since there
will be slightly less RAM available for the apps to use, since the
executive isn't being paged anymore. So indirectly the amount of
application paging would increase, though I don't think it would be
enough of an impact to worry
Nobody shat in my cereal. What first message? That was in regards to another
issue, 64bit support...
I'm not upset at anyone in specific, nor am I trying to bitch. What bugs me, is that
DOD:S isn't out yet, and has been in the coming soon catagory for Lets see, since
Oct 5th of 04. Now,
Shawn,
Yep, if all you are talking about is the rollback, obviously. You acted like,
however, that anyone with 64bit boxes should expect NO support, thats simply
not the case.
On top of that, the only way they are going to get any decent support is by
making is as easy as possible for Valve
Clayton Macleod wrote:
re: memory reporting, even the working set value you get from the
'performance monitor' doesn't really necessarily tell you how much RAM
the process is actually using just for itself, because this value
includes any shared memory, not just private memory. I'm honestly
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From: stalker333 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
/sigh Why does this list have such a troll infestation
Find something useful to add, or DONT ADD ANYTHING to the conversation.
Good Day...
-Smurf
Kinda ironic,don't ya think..its like rain...
On the 64bit note while
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From: stalker333 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What bugs me, is that DOD:S isn't out yet, and has been in the coming
soon catagory for Lets see, since Oct 5th of 04. Now, they have added
yet another game/mod/episode whatever to coming soon.
Ever think there is alot more
Been too long I guess, I don't recall. For some reason my memory
seems to do better with the meat than with the potatoes.
Yeah, I addressed the collateral stuff in my next post there.
I'm not saying the executive memory space is unimportant. I only said
that applications' memory space isn't
Minor interjection..
Did I miss understand the whole point of mixing Virtual and Physical ram?
was it not the point of the OS telling the App where and how to get memory,
and if I am not mistaken, Apps don't even directly touch ram, that little
interface called HAL handles it, so as far as the
Clayton Macleod wrote:
Been too long I guess, I don't recall. For some reason my memory
seems to do better with the meat than with the potatoes.
Yeah know that problem, last time I touched sendmail was nearly 5 years
ago now, and I looked at the config the other day in shock. :)
Yeah, I
well, the point there wasn't that servers are going to have
superfluous hardware. The point was that pretty much nothing is going
to cause every single page used by the executive to be active enough
to keep it all in ram at all times. Given that this is likely to be
way under a hundred megs, way
yeah, basically apps just deal with virtual memory, and the OS is what
deals between RAM and the pagefile. Each app gets its own 2gigs of
address space to allocate memory for itself from, and the OS is what
determines the actual RAM/pagefile usage.
On 8/15/05, Dustin Tuft [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Games aren't made in days. DoD:S is much more than a port. I believe
I read somewhere that they originally thought it would be mostly a
port (which prompted the Coming Soon listing in Steam), but they
decided to overhaul a bunch of stuff to make it a much better game.
Have you seen the
Small HLSW update to version 1.0.0.44
Changelog
- Included BeetlesMod support
- Included Battlefield 2 support
- Included support for extended GameSpy protocol = BF2 Player
display works on server with many players
- Some small changes
Download -
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The only time I hear Activision named is when someone refers to the original
DoD not the port over.
IMO, I think VALVe is soley doing the port over.
From: Roc [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
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Your HLDS and SRCDS work don't they? STFU and go join a chatroom somewhere
or shack up as roommates. Either way STFU.
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Yay, I was looking for an update just the other night.
On 8/16/05, List Keeper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Small HLSW update to version 1.0.0.44 http://1.0.0.44
Changelog
- Included BeetlesMod support
- Included Battlefield 2 support
-
On 8/15/05, Dustin Tuft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Minor interjection..
Did I miss understand the whole point of mixing Virtual and Physical ram?
was it not the point of the OS telling the App where and how to get memory,
and if I am not mistaken, Apps don't even directly touch ram, that little
On 8/15/05, Clayton Macleod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
well, the point there wasn't that servers are going to have
superfluous hardware. The point was that pretty much nothing is going
to cause every single page used by the executive to be active enough
to keep it all in ram at all times.
Ah
Yes, it did, but that wasn't really my point. Point is, having 2-3 games almost
done doesn't help anyone.
Look I understand everyone gets defensive of Valve, and usually for good reason
(they are being blamed for something stupid) but this, frankly, is only Valve.
Now, call me crazy, but I
We are communicating to the CD team on this issue.
- Alfred
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Oum Sent:
Sunday, August 14, 2005 6:12 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] VAC2 et Cheating Death ?
yes that is exactly why we
ok thank you, at least we know you care about it ^^
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From: Alfred Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 7:08 PM
Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC2 et Cheating Death ?
We are communicating to the CD team on this issue.
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I agree. This is getting way old. Is anyone impressed with the screenshots?
The game isn't out yet and the released pics look substandard. I'm wondering
if it will look as good as HL2. I have had a 24/7 DoD server since the beta
days. I think I may jump ship to newer games like Battlefield 2.
Let
Jump (at least for now), it's much more fun.
(no offense meant to valve just my honest opinion)
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Megatron
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 4:06 PM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: RE: [hlds] Coming Soon
From a server point of view, you'll be MUCH more frustrated with BF2. Just
a word of warning. I would suggest joining their mailing list and lurk for
just a day or two to get a feel for the discontent there.
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From: Napier, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:
Hehe, you guys are frustrated that your game is listed in Coming Soon? You
don't know how lucky you are! The TFC community has been left in the dark
for so long... ! TFC:S? TF:2? Who knows.
Be happy at least the mod is coming soon...
___
To
yes I definatly meant from a game point of view, not a server admin point of
view, though the tools are much better this time around, but certainly hlds
scrs are easier to run.
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Sent: Monday, August
I suppose I'm somewhat obligated to complain about not having the OP4
source, etc :-)
Quake 4. It's The Next Big Thing, and there is a good chance that you will
see Ooks Steaming Pile of Crap becoming Ooks Quaking Pile of Crap v.4 by the
end of the year. DeathMatch was the first love of my life,
Speaking of DOD:S and another game being in the comming soon section.
What about HLDM1:Source that was announced a few weeks back? Any more news
on that?
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To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:04 PM
Subject: hlds
Tum wrote:
Speaking of DOD:S and another game being in the comming soon section.
What about HLDM1:Source that was announced a few weeks back? Any more news
on that?
I'm holding out for Ricochet:Source.
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Q2 | Q3A | Counter-strike
Gunman Chronicles:Source :D
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Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 5:48 PM
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Tum wrote:
Speaking of DOD:S and another
nah, that's ok.
On 8/15/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Your HLDS and SRCDS work don't they? STFU and go join a chatroom somewhere
or shack up as roommates. Either way STFU.
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Clayton Macleod
get ye flask
You cannot get ye flask.
I missed this announcement. Anyone have details? And does this include any
other HL1 mods (like OP4 :) :) :)?
Speaking of DOD:S and another game being in the comming soon section.
What about HLDM1:Source that was announced a few weeks back? Any more
news
on that?
well, I'm not sure we're saying the exact same thing. The point I was
trying to make was, that while a great portion of the executive's
memory is going to be active all the time, and stay in RAM, a portion
of it will also go unused and be candidates for the pagefile. I said
I doubt that
OK, I'm freaking out here. Someone is running mani + console commands
on my box and it's not me or any of my two other admins. I was even
frozen once before I dropped out to see who,what, why this is
happening. First thing I did was change RCON password and restart the
server. I join and all is
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Pre-Ordering Game Software is one of the great scams of the 21st century
It seems that some people, regardless of how many times they get punched in
the head, are never going to learn.
The other great scam is, Computer Hardware Pre-Ordering
Ya know this is coming from the same people who bought TFC 2 and
pre-ordered their copy. I dont understand why people keep buying these
games when theres nothing to buy. So you pre-ordered a game. Wow. As
most of us will be doing, we'll be paying full prices to just download a
game. Another thing
Here are a few things that I've heard about but seen little or no
action being placed for such.
1. Team Fortress Classic 2.People even pre-ordered their copies of the game
2. Half-Life 2 Lost Coast...so its on the soon to come list...I'll
believe it when I see it.
3. Half-Life 2: Aftermath.
Please STFU this is not a rant mailing list. It is for people who need help
with there servers. I for one don't care when a game comes out aslong as it
comes out and it gets supported. I installed bf2 (EA is Crap) and god i am
very happy for valve and steam. Saves alot for troulbe so please
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1: there is no team fortress classic 2. It's TF2.
3:dod:s hasn't been on coming soon for decades fool.
If you're goin to rant, do it without exagerating cause you just make yourself
look worse then you already do for ranting on a help mailing list.
If
Ok I'll respond to this just because Im tired of hearing about it, if
you would have taken the time to read what was said about the new game
(Ragdoll Kung Fu) you would have noticed Valve is not developing it. It
is being developed by a private developer. Valve is just putting it on
Steam. Yes Im
I'm having severe problems with my server, listen or dedicated. For my
listen server, my listenserver.cfg is as follows.
ip [external ip hidden]
port 27015
sv_region 0
sv_lan 0
// Execute the Admin Mod configuration file
exec addons/adminmod/config/adminmod.cfg
and is placed in D:\Program
I released the plugin: http://www.amxmodx.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=144889
The person who first replyed and said he would be willing to help test it
never gave any feedback, so i posted it publicly.
Those who install it on their server, please give feedback. And and read the
first post in the
No one forced you to open my email and write a reply. Get over it and
get on with your life eh? Had you not told me STFU I would've saved you
the trouble of reciving another email.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please STFU this is not a rant mailing list. It is for people who
need help
with there
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Dude, dio you not understand the concept of HLDS maining list?
What you're ranting about isn't even server related so all you're doing is
spamming it!
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uh, nobody mentioned Ragdoll Kung Fu...they're talking about Lost
Coast, DoDS, (TFC2, Aftermath)...
On 8/15/05, T3XAN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ok I'll respond to this just because Im tired of hearing about it, if
you would have taken the time to read what was said about the new game
(Ragdoll
Children.
Calm Down.
This is the HLDS (and srcds) mailing list. *NOT* the I want to rant
about valve and steam to people who are trying to get help with their
servers mailing list.
Jason, you are in the wrong here, shouting doesn't make you right.
If you wish to complain about steam stuff, go
I had something similar happen to me once but mani was not involved.
Someone who had just connected to the server (not even in the game
yet) managed to hack the quite complex rcon password and start
spamming dozens of lines of hahahahahahaha as console chat all
within one second. When I noticed
Drew,
How long do you think they have been working on DOD:S (not when beta opened), which WAS
just a port when they started? Just wonder a guess. Days? I would hardly be
bitching about that, and frankly would have been very impressed lol.
Now we can go on and on talking about WHY it's not
Can't speak to this specifically, but since play testing of DOD:S has taken over
the Valve office I think it's safe to say they at least have some input ;-)
-Smurf
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From: SANDY LEBLANC [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Coming Soon BS...
Date: Mon,
Ruiner,
Thank you for pointing that out, I started playing TFC and still do, would LOVE
to see a TFC port. However, valve has pretty much poo pooed all over that idea,
in favor of TF2. Which is fine with me, at least they don't CLAIM we'll get
TFC:S. Though they never said we wouldnt get
Gold huh, I wonder what it was missing as far as internal comments. Did you
ever get the red sections of text that were source code? I can't even count
how many stupid times I got that talk on we do not release or copy red
source out of KB articles. I mean realy, like who I am going to take it to
Hey... Get in line :)
We are still demanding an update for TFC first!
Whether it's TFC:S or TF2 I could give a rats ass..
I just want Valve to know that they *DO* have responsibilities besides CS :(
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