RE: RE: Re: [hlds] Post-outage thoughts

2006-12-19 Thread Dave Trobacher
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 2:43 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: RE: Re: [hlds] Post-outage thoughts Then I guess I may have things backwards in thinking that any personal inconvenience should be outweighed by actual tragety suffered by others. Yeah, not

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2006-12-19 Thread Edward Luna
hey intend to bring their redundancy inline with the need" and if not... will their customers accept that position? -Original Message- From: Frazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 7:43 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: RE: RE: Re: [hlds] Post-ou

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2006-12-19 Thread Frazer
lto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Tuttle Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 4:23 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: RE: RE: Re: [hlds] Post-outage thoughts Such redundancy is Networking 101 and Programming 101... You can choose to ignore it if you like... But in the real word it

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2006-12-18 Thread Roman Hatsiev
This absolutely amazing! Next time my mail server goes down for six hours because of lack of UPS in case if I questioned by my management why this happened my reply will be - forget about mail server, just think about the guy who spend these six hours locked in the lift, just think about those spe

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2006-12-18 Thread Adam Sando
half Of Whisper Sent: Tuesday, 19 December 2006 1:03 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: RE: RE: Re: [hlds] Post-outage thoughts -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Actually he is right here We were all too stupid to ask whether this eventuality had been catered for

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2006-12-18 Thread Whisper
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Actually he is right here We were all too stupid to ask whether this eventuality had been catered for by Valve. Well maybe some of you did, but I am embarrassed by the fact that this is a question I've never posed to Valve in the past, as I just

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2006-12-18 Thread Edward Luna
gt; From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 2:57 PM >> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com >> Subject: RE: RE: RE: Re: [hlds] Post-outage thoughts >> >> All I'm seei

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2006-12-18 Thread -Mike-
Biker ~ Slacker ~ Iconoclast ~ Eclectic Thinker - Original Message From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 11:42:44 AM Subject: RE: RE: Re: [hlds] Post-outage thoughts Then I guess I may have things backward

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2006-12-18 Thread Edward Luna
issues are addressed. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 2:43 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: RE: Re: [hlds] Post-outage thoughts Then I guess I may have things backwards in thinking that any personal inc

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2006-12-18 Thread atouk
t; [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 2:57 PM >> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com >> Subject: RE: RE: RE: Re: [hlds] Post-outage thoughts >> >> All I'm seeing is whining, pettiness, and monday morn

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2006-12-18 Thread atouk
Steam went down - Absolutely Steam did not need to go down. - Possibly Something could have been done. - Probobly My argument isn't with Steam going down, Steam not going down, but with attitudes here. It's three days later, people are STILL without power up there, and yet we have people comp

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2006-12-18 Thread Scott Tuttle
f > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 2:57 PM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: RE: RE: RE: Re: [hlds] Post-outage thoughts > > All I'm seeing is whining, pettiness, and monday morning > quarterbacking. > > Lets try this. If anyone out there

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2006-12-18 Thread Dan E
Steam network went down. Steam network did not need to go down. Therefore, something could have been done to prevent the Steam network from going down. That's all there is to it. We are not discussing real-world impact because this is not a list meant for that kind of discussion. This is a dis

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2006-12-18 Thread atouk
All I'm seeing is whining, pettiness, and monday morning quarterbacking. Lets try this. If anyone out there has a diagram of the Valve infrastructure, and a complete understanding of who they contract with for what services and facilities, then lets see it. I only am reading people bitching ab

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2006-12-18 Thread Scott Tuttle
their eggs in one basket. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 2:17 PM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: RE: Re: Re: [hlds] Post-outage thoughts > > I

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2006-12-18 Thread atouk
hould bring a network down. That fact stands on it's >own and need not be measured against a lost Christmas for those unfortunate to >have been effected by the storms. > > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Monday, D

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2006-12-18 Thread Dan E
r those unfortunate to > >have been effected by the storms. > > > > > >-Original Message- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 12:27 PM > >To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > >Subject: RE: Re: [hlds] Post-outage

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2006-12-18 Thread mjjordan
n says so > > From: -Mike- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2006/12/18 Mon PM 12:36:32 CST > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: Re: [hlds] Post-outage thoughts > > Honestly, this is an administrators list. Most of us here are going to very > coldly and to the fa

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2006-12-18 Thread Dan E
; > > >-Mike- > > > >-Mike- is: Biker ~ Slacker ~ Iconoclast ~ Eclectic > Thinker > > > >----- Original Message > >From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > >Sent: Monday, December 18,

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2006-12-18 Thread atouk
Eclectic Thinker > >- Original Message >From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com >Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 9:26:59 AM >Subject: RE: Re: [hlds] Post-outage thoughts > >Lets keep things in perspective peopl

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2006-12-18 Thread Edward Luna
and need not be measured against a lost Christmas for those unfortunate to have been effected by the storms. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 12:27 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: Re: [hlds] Post-outage

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2006-12-18 Thread Scott Tuttle
at all. Maybe everyone should just join the peace corps. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 12:27 PM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: RE: Re: [hlds

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2006-12-18 Thread -Mike-
Iconoclast ~ Eclectic Thinker - Original Message From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 9:26:59 AM Subject: RE: Re: [hlds] Post-outage thoughts Lets keep things in perspective people. Over a million people

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2006-12-18 Thread atouk
Lets keep things in perspective people. Over a million people without power or heat int the middle of winter. Christmas planning for lots of those are out the window because of lost wages, loss of life, and loss of basic services, and people are whining about not being able to play a computer