On 27/04/2012 17:29, Robert Paulson wrote:
You know this because every post on spuf has the hours people play next to
it?
You didn't know people put their profiles on SPUF? Shows how much you know.
A few people do. It's a fairly recent feature though.
But that wasn't the question I asked. I a
this discussion
but I will and it stinks.
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> You know this because every post on spuf has the hours people play next to
> it?
You didn't know people put their profiles on SPUF? Shows how much you know.
> Do you think the country would be better if someone decided that meant they
> should accommodate every whinge and that would make a bett
On 27/04/2012 15:28, Cameron Munroe wrote:
So what is the global ranking, do you know of a place that it is
shown, have a command that can be executed?
I'm sure there isn't one. I'm fairly sure Fletcher has said the api
calls to get what looks like a server score were part of the old system
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On 26/04/2012 22:00, Robert Paulson wrote:
> I warned about this trend back in December and no one listened. Now
> tha
I'd say that every community run server took a hit when Valve assigned
all the less than 8 hours played players into their own servers once the
feature that asks "do you want to favorite this server" (or do you want
to blacklist this server if you left immediately )came. Guess which
servers the
On 26/04/2012 22:00, Robert Paulson wrote:
I warned about this trend back in December and no one listened. Now
that the Christmas and Policy of Truth honeymoon is over, you are all
coming out of the woodwork.
What trend? That people are happily playing TF2?
As I said, the complaint seems to be
> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:23:47 +0200
> From: nowa...@platinum.linux.pl
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> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Suddenly very low server population
>
> This is what I get: http://tepeserwery.pl/qpserverlist.html - only a few
> valve servers
Actually I don't think it is too difficult, I know that people stick
with what they know, and if they know quickplay they will likely stick
with it. When I came into tf2 as stated before there was no quickplay.
Recently my cousin stated to play the game and the first thing he
clicked on was qui
On 27/04/2012 01:35, Cameron Munroe wrote:
Thanks for completely ignoring my argument and just saying something off
context.
Since you decided finding a server is too difficult for mortal man,
it's difficult to take anything you say seriously.
But the list you were seeing was not some kind
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- Andreas
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Ojeda
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For those who are experiencing no users on your servers, do you have a
local motd (hosted on the tf2 server) or are y
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For those who are experiencing no users on your servers, do you have a
local motd (hosted on the tf2 server) or are
For those who are experiencing no users on your servers, do you have a
local motd (hosted on the tf2 server) or are you using a remotely hosted
one on a webserver? If it's remotely hosted check to see if it's over 1KB
and if it is try lowering it below 1KB. I sent in an email to the
newsletter and
Thanks for completely ignoring my argument and just saying something off
context.
If you have nothing productive to say then don't.
On Apr 26, 2012, at 8:53 AM, dan wrote:
> On 26/04/2012 16:28, Cameron Munroe wrote:
>> Yes certain servers do have better ranks then valve, but valve is giving
They should just count the amount of players connected to a server in
the steam backend and not trust the servers with this - something like
this would also help against disguising bots in the 'status' command
output and scoreboard.
2012/4/26 1nsane <1nsane...@gmail.com>:
> This just means fakepla
This just means fakeplayers are going to make a return. Then those servers
will get popular again and quickly.
In fact I already see hundreds of servers running them haha.
Unfortunate that Valve didn't implement clientside checks to make things
like disguised bots impossible.
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012
I warned about this trend back in December and no one listened. Now
that the Christmas and Policy of Truth honeymoon is over, you are all
coming out of the woodwork. Though I guess it only makes sense to
complain out of desperation now that Lotus and others are dropping
heavily in popularity.
The
That's what I was trying to say. Prior to quickplay everyone used the
server browser as it was the first and only option.
It has all the game types and maps, custom or stock. Which lead to a
greater variety of servers. Then when quickplay came around with free to
play suddenly the top servers start
Now we've been 15 for about half hour on our Dustbowl, not even a single player
is sent here, something must be seriously wrong haha.
> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:59:21 +0100
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On 26/04/2012 17:32, 1nsane wrote:
Of course it doesn't. Halloween is mostly a US thing. But it was put first
for everyone.
Lots of people played it to get the gifts and achievements.
Lots of people played on the halloween map before quickplay existed.
Lots of people played on achievement_xx ma
I already mention this above. It only sends the top 25 servers from the
search for scoring to the game coordinator. For me in the US that tends to
be Valve servers most of the time.
Using the command "tf_matchmaking_spew_level 2" will only show the servers
it actually considered sending you to. The
Of course it doesn't. Halloween is mostly a US thing. But it was put first
for everyone.
Whatever gets put first on quick play becomes successful. If barely anyone
used quickplay this would not be the case.
Go check the server list for all the official PL maps and compare it to any
other game mode
I think those lists dont work correctly.
On the first list (the one with the screenshots i see in the top10 special
attack.net server which has been empty for a long time, it has stats online)
Person who has the qpserverlist shows my (lethal-zone.eu) all maps #2
server being in the top 10, i am s
On 26/04/2012 16:09, 1nsane wrote:
But most people don't.
What do you mean "most people"? Most people don't play TF2.
Assuming you're referring to the TF2 player base, please point to the
research you did to determine what most of them know or don't know.
Imagine for second that if you just
On 26/04/2012 16:11, Frank wrote:
It didn't... you are whining about their discussions on this topic with
nothing but negativity.
I pointed out that the idea that people are too stupid to join a server
is nonsense.
As is the idea that TF2 is somehow secret and new users won't find out
about
On 26/04/2012 16:28, Cameron Munroe wrote:
Yes certain servers do have better ranks then valve, but valve is
giving them selves a bonus to new players which will lead later to
there servers being top dog as they get more connects. I have a server
near the bottom 1/3 and it is ranked 150 ish on
Yes certain servers do have better ranks then valve, but valve is giving
them selves a bonus to new players which will lead later to there
servers being top dog as they get more connects. I have a server near
the bottom 1/3 and it is ranked 150 ish on gametracker and is nearly
full 24/7, at lea
On 26/04/2012 15:23, Adam Nowacki wrote:
This is what I get: http://tepeserwery.pl/qpserverlist.html - only a
few valve servers near the top.
Yeah seems reasonable. I note valve servers below and above mine. The
conspiracy appears flawed.
Presumably this list is taking into account the user
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On 26/04/2012 01:15, Frank wrote:
> Then stop replying to it... I'm enjoying the conversation.
I don't see how this relat
But most people don't.
See what happens to a game mode when it gets removed from quickplay. Like
with haloween that went from being the most popular one to being the least
popular right after removal.
It was the most popular purely because of being the first quickplay option.
Harvest event had no
servers are considered when choosing the destination for user. I really
>>>> don't know how a community server can get any quickplay traffic.
>>>>
>>>> As an observation, some maps are considered as being "new user
>>>> friendly":
>>>&
On 26/04/2012 01:15, Frank wrote:
Then stop replying to it... I'm enjoying the conversation.
I don't see how this relates to the changes in trading ruining your servers?
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On 26/04/2012 01:24, 1nsane wrote:
Both, obviously. You don't expect someone to keep playing the same
maps/game modes over and over and over again and not get bored eventually?
So then when you get bored of the same old and quickplay has the same thing
over and over again you move on.
Unaware of
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I forgot to check the numbers earlier.
On 2012-04-25 10:18, speaker wrote:
rom: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
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> > Nowacki
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tware.com] On Behalf Of Adam
> Nowacki
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> I forgot to check the numbers earlier.
>
> On 2012-04-25 10:18, speaker wrote:
> > Serve
riendly":
ctf_2fort, pl_badwater, cp_dustbowl, pl_goldrush, cp_granary etc...
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On 2012-04-26 12:55, Adam Nowacki wrote:
I forgot to check the numbers earlier.
On 2012-04-25 10:18, speaker wrote:
Server #1: 176.9.40.77:27015 - Reputation Score: 11937 (not banned)
Server #2: 176.9.40.77:27025 - Reputation Score: 834 (not banned)
#1 [SM] Rank: 5514 Total Connects: 108652 To
I forgot to check the numbers earlier.
On 2012-04-25 10:18, speaker wrote:
Server #1: 176.9.40.77:27015 - Reputation Score: 11937 (not banned)
Server #2: 176.9.40.77:27025 - Reputation Score: 834 (not banned)
#1 [SM] Rank: 5514 Total Connects: 108652 Total Minutes Played: 7044
#2 [SM] Rank:
pr 2012 03:56:27 +0200
From: nowa...@platinum.linux.pl
To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.**com
Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Suddenly very low server population
I don't seem to have that problem - quick play sends players to my
server pretty much 24/7 and it's a 30 slot server. 3-5am it's even
ge
; fills up very fast, but it empties at 9 o clock at night, every single day.
>> I still see servers that's full, but quickplay just isn't working then..
>>
>> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 03:56:27 +0200
>>> From: nowa...@platinum.linux.pl
>>> To: hlds_linu
see servers
that's full, but quickplay just isn't working then..
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 03:56:27 +0200
From: nowa...@platinum.linux.pl
To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Suddenly very low server population
I don't seem to have that problem - quick play se
ay. I still see servers
that's full, but quickplay just isn't working then..
> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 03:56:27 +0200
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> To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com
> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Suddenly very low server population
>
> I don't
I don't seem to have that problem - quick play sends players to my
server pretty much 24/7 and it's a 30 slot server. 3-5am it's even
getting players with 300+ms ping.
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Both, obviously. You don't expect someone to keep playing the same
maps/game modes over and over and over again and not get bored eventually?
So then when you get bored of the same old and quickplay has the same thing
over and over again you move on.
Unaware of even other valve maps like hydro or
list
Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Suddenly very low server population
On 25/04/2012 22:56, 1nsane wrote:
> Don't think that the new players are capable of using such "advanced"
> functions as favorites or history.
Oh please. FFS, you two get a grip.
If you can use a computer gam
On 25/04/2012 22:56, 1nsane wrote:
Don't think that the new players are capable of using such "advanced"
functions as favorites or history.
Oh please. FFS, you two get a grip.
If you can use a computer game then anyone can.
If you can't use it, if you think it's all too complicated...do
some
On 25/04/2012 22:35, 1nsane wrote:
People do stick to what they know. And they will learn to use quickplay
first and they will keep using it.
Instead of the server browser.
But valve servers don't use all of the official maps, or even all of the
official game modes. They play the same thing over
I have noticed a somewhat similar trend on my servers. But I have regulars
and admins that connect day in and day out. I find that before, my servers
were always full for months at a time with no break in player numbers
unless an update was released.
Now, since quickplay has dropped or something d
The fact is dan that I played tf2 before quickplay was here. It was
already stress full enough on learning all the nicks and nacks of tf2.
Lotusclan was the few places which I knew had people on it.
However, new players use the first and simplest thing, i.e. quickplay,
as it is already a new t
On 25/04/2012 22:29, Erik-jan Riemers wrote:
And don't forget the experience of a valve servers getting a
aimbot/speedhacker which can troll all he want because there are no
admins..
It's not that bad. Generally you find people who want to troll need an
admin / group to feed off and / or they
Don't think that the new players are capable of using such "advanced"
functions as favorites or history. Most of them are un-aware of this or are
lazy or would rather spend the time playing than wading through their
server histories.
It's also similar for existing players. Regardless of what you s
On 25/04/2012 22:12, Cameron Munroe wrote:
Many players find a server that works and then stick with it. I even
did it, I played on Lotusclan and didn't even care to explore, until
of course lotusclan started going nuts that is, and many other players
are the same. I also only found lotusclan s
People do stick to what they know. And they will learn to use quickplay
first and they will keep using it.
Instead of the server browser.
But valve servers don't use all of the official maps, or even all of the
official game modes. They play the same thing over and over and this gets
boring. Then
ubject: Re: [hlds_linux] Suddenly very low server population
Many players find a server that works and then stick with it. I even did
it, I played on Lotusclan and didn't even care to explore, until of course
lotusclan started going nuts that is, and many other players are the same.
I also only
Many players find a server that works and then stick with it. I even
did it, I played on Lotusclan and didn't even care to explore, until of
course lotusclan started going nuts that is, and many other players are
the same. I also only found lotusclan servers because of a friend
otherwise I woul
On 25/04/2012 21:52, Tom Grant wrote:
I do see Valve's reasoning for this. They want new players to play the game
the way they designed it. Not with weird plugins, maps, or configs. I think
they planned on having new players eventually grow out of the playpens that
are the Valve servers, but as C
I do see Valve's reasoning for this. They want new players to play the game
the way they designed it. Not with weird plugins, maps, or configs. I think
they planned on having new players eventually grow out of the playpens that
are the Valve servers, but as Cameron says, they aren't. Or at least it
I agree with you on the fact that people are complaining about my
server not being full and that they don't like the server anyways, but
what Valve has done is still like handing all young children a smoke and
lighting it for them, once they are addicted to it they never leave or
leave that tha
On 25/04/2012 20:59, doc wrote:
It's sad to hear something like this. I run my server how I'd want every
server to be run - I don't join any server EXCEPT for my server, it's the
best run server out there. 24 slots, vanilla, no stupid mods, I think the
biggest deal breaker might be all-talk is tu
No duh... lots of people are joining Valve servers directly. Practically
all the new players that is
They click the first button that says "Start Playing" and they are
sent directly to a valve server.
"tf_matchmaking_noob_hours_played" = "8.0"
"tf_matchmaking_noob_map_score_boost" = "0.75"
On Wed
On 25/04/2012 20:57, Cameron Munroe wrote:
Certain plugins are frankly needed due to the fact of hacking. i.e.
smac, but still valve servers are going to be more full as you state
simply because of the fact that they are funneling traffic to their
servers.
Perhaps, but in general a plugin tha
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Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Suddenly very low server population
Cameron,
I know your pain. When the quickplay system was first introduced my server
was full 24/7 for a solid month. Gametracker ranked my server in t
It's sad to hear something like this. I run my server how I'd want every
server to be run - I don't join any server EXCEPT for my server, it's the
best run server out there. 24 slots, vanilla, no stupid mods, I think the
biggest deal breaker might be all-talk is turned on.
If you're not having fun
Certain plugins are frankly needed due to the fact of hacking. i.e.
smac, but still valve servers are going to be more full as you state
simply because of the fact that they are funneling traffic to their
servers.
On 2012-04-25 12:48, dan wrote:
On 25/04/2012 16:56, hlds wrote:
I did a simple
On 25/04/2012 16:56, hlds wrote:
I did a simple test using an account with more than 1500 hours in TF2 and
the result was:
1. Quickplay connecting to 146.66.153.20:27023 (Valve)
2. Quickplay connecting to 146.66.153.12:27023 (Valve)
3. Quickplay connecting to 146.66.153.17:27015 (Valve)
4. Quick
4.85.38:27017 (Community, Nighteam)
>>>> 7. Quickplay connecting to 85.131.163.47:28015 (Community,
>>>> IQ-eSports.com)
>>>> 8. Quickplay connecting to 146.66.153.13:27017 (Valve)
>>>> 9. Quickplay connecting to 146.66.153.7:27015 (Valve)
>>>
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Some time ago I noticed that quickplay started to send me to valve
servers
in a different state instead of community servers
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: [hlds_linux] Suddenly very low server population
Some time ago I noticed that quickplay started to send me to valve
servers
in a different state instead of community servers run in the same
state as
I reside in.
In some cases it evens prefers empty valve servers over populated
community
servers. The
: [hlds_linux] Suddenly very low server population
Some time ago I noticed that quickplay started to send me to valve servers
in a different state instead of community servers run in the same state as
I reside in.
In some cases it evens prefers empty valve servers over populated community
servers. The only
Only drop i've seen is on the server which i run custom maps on. It's
very hard to get populated these days due to quickplay penalty (30
slots) and no players will be joining whenever custom map is on. The
other 24 slotters are seem to be doing just fine. Large updates and even
small ones usual
I don't expect to get a highly populated server just by making it
quickplay-ready. I just asked because there was a significant
"population drop" which happened like from one day to another. Before, I
had full servers for at least 6 hours a day.
Am 25.04.2012 12:58, schrieb Jesse Molina:
>
> Ba
Some time ago I noticed that quickplay started to send me to valve servers
in a different state instead of community servers run in the same state as
I reside in.
In some cases it evens prefers empty valve servers over populated community
servers. The only times I see it considering other servers f
Basically, what Valve gaveth, Valve taketh away.
This sounds like an expectation problem. I doubt you have done anything
"wrong".
Quickplayers are like "friends" on Facebook. You can have hundreds of
them but not one of them will come to your funeral, or maybe even notice
you stopped post
25 апреля 2012 г. 12:18 пользователь speaker написал:
> I have two vanilla tf2 servers running, each registered, logged-in, vac
> enabled, with positive reputation. Some administrative sourcemod plugins
> are installed, settings/cvars and mapcycle are according to Valve's
> quickplay requirements.
I have two vanilla tf2 servers running, each registered, logged-in, vac
enabled, with positive reputation. Some administrative sourcemod plugins
are installed, settings/cvars and mapcycle are according to Valve's
quickplay requirements.
Starting somewhere in February, lots of players joined immedi
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