Re: [Hornlist] RE: Horn Digest, Vol 75, Issue 4

2009-03-03 Thread Steve Haflich
Leslie wrote: Fortunately there WAS a pop. However, on about three or four of the slides, there was also a hiss following the pop. Does this mean I need to get my values rebuilt? When you pull either a F or Bb valve slide, if the other slide on that value is still installed, it may be t

[Hornlist] RE: Horn Digest, Vol 75, Issue 4

2009-03-03 Thread Leslie
Valve rebuild needed? A knowledgeable horn player tried my horn recently and said it sounded like there may be a leak. He felt like there was tone missing when playing the horn. I wondered if my valves might be leaky and later pulled out each valve (B flat and F horn) to see if there was a pop.

Re: [Hornlist] All We Like Sheep

2009-03-03 Thread David Goldberg
All we like sheep??? Maybe you mean: Sheep May Safely Grease I tried Bag Balm only once. In a few days, my horn stunkith mightily and I had to clean it out else I swoon. David Goldberg Steven Mumford wrote: I dunno, I've been using anhydrous lanolin since 1975. My horn doesn't stink, n

Re: [Hornlist] Re: Cording

2009-03-03 Thread Jeremy Cucco
Just a short note from the iPhone... If an engineer places 15 - 20 mics for a traditional orchestra, he's a bona fide idiot. For something like Beethoven 7 or Brahms 1, 4-6 mics should be all that is required in a good hall. This is diiferent if it's an outdoor concert and they need amplific

[Hornlist] Re: Cording

2009-03-03 Thread KendallBetts
Jeremy wrote: In Kendall's example, he was doing it for a jingle. I suppose the recording engineer could be spared his life for the travesty of auto-tuning a horn player, but only this once. Actually, he auto-tuned everybody that day. Even the trombones were in tune! I still wonder if w

[Hornlist] Re: oiling valves

2009-03-03 Thread Brent Shires
"Luke Zyla" wrote: subject: Re: [Hornlist] Slide Grease and valve oil >About oiling the valves. >There are only two bearings on rotor valves. The rotor surfaces do not >touch the sides of the valve casing, so it in not necessary to oil inside >the valve. Adding oil inside the valve only creat

Re: [Hornlist] All We Like Sheep

2009-03-03 Thread Jonathan West
>     Best plan is to keep your horn clean and never take it to any idiot > repairmen. > I'll second that. My valves had been getting a bit slow lately, so I've just spent an hour washing the horn through with soapy water, especially getting it into the valve rotors, and then re-oiling the valves

[Hornlist] All We Like Sheep

2009-03-03 Thread Steven Mumford
    I dunno, I've been using anhydrous lanolin since 1975.  My horn doesn't stink, no green stuff growing.  It lasts a long time on the slides.  My valves are fast.      I don't put any oil down the slide tubes.  If you do, don't put more than a single drop in each valve.  More than that will

[Hornlist] Re: NBC horn player under Toscanini 1948

2009-03-03 Thread Steven Mumford
I've been enjoying a lot of those Toscanini performances on YouTube lately.  I was a little surprised by Jaenicke's phrasing on the Nocturne where he breathes after the D# (played).  I had always thought of that note as a pickup to the next part of the phrase.  The more I listen to it, the more

Re: [Hornlist] Slide Grease

2009-03-03 Thread Ralph R. Hall
Mark, I returned last year from a stint as Director of the Royal Guard of Oman Military School of Music. My annual budget included a search for slide grease that didn't melt in temperatures of 50 Celsius. This one has no maker's name only the following: Grease Ultra-Heavy for Tuning Slides (

RE: [Hornlist] Studio Recording magick

2009-03-03 Thread Howard Sanner
Quoting Jeremy Cucco: In Kendall's example, he was doing it for a jingle. I suppose the recording engineer could be spared his life for the travesty of auto-tuning a horn player, but only this once. Well, and it's also a jingle, not Op. 131. I'd go with fast, cheap, and expedient on a jing

Re: [Hornlist] Slide grease - different perspective

2009-03-03 Thread Dan Beeker
The first two horns I played on were close to new single and double Alexanders. They both had the bad habit of the third valve slide on the F side sliding out at in-opportune times. Using standard slide grease they would slide out quicker and were practically un-useable on a hot day. Anhydrou

AW: [Hornlist] Re: NBC horn player under Toscanini 1948

2009-03-03 Thread Howard Sanner
Quoting Hans Pizka: Thank you. Nice to find Bruno Jaenicke with Mendelssohns Nocturno. Nice "vibrato" but quite fast tempo. That's because they crammed this onto one side of a twelve-inch (30 cm. to you!) 78 rpm disc. The recording runs well over four minutes, which is very rare for a 78.

Re: [Hornlist] Slide Grease and valve oil

2009-03-03 Thread Jeremy Cucco
It is true (or should be at least, given the quality of the horn). However, there are a few other factors. Foreign contaminants can get into the instrument (cheeseburger, sugar, dust, dirt, hair, and other debris) and adhere to the valve surface. This often accounts for the scratching sound o

[Hornlist] Slide grease and valve oil

2009-03-03 Thread Brass Arts Unlimited
>> There are only two bearings on rotor valves. The rotor surfaces do not touch the sides of the valve casing, so it in not necessary to oil inside the valve. Adding oil inside the valve only creates a mess that must be cleaned out or diluted by adding more and more oil. Start by removing the va

Re: [Hornlist] Slide Grease and valve oil

2009-03-03 Thread whitacrehill
Is?it really true that the rotor surfaces do not touch the sides of the valve casing, so it in not necessary to oil inside the valve? message: 8 date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:55:49 -0500 from: "Luke Zyla" subject: Re: [Hornlist] Slide Grease and valve oil ? Check out the wikipedia entry on lano

[Hornlist] Re: Studio Recording magick

2009-03-03 Thread Carl Ek
Hello Jeremy, Thanks for your comments and I completely agree. The digital world can allow some HACK to put some"thing" together. Give me live performance, live broadcast/recordings !! I want to hear the tenor "strain" and the soprano "scream". I even want to hear those horn clams :) (but not t

Re: [Hornlist] Slide grease - differentperspective

2009-03-03 Thread Luke Zyla
Hans wrote: What kind of junk horns are they playing ? The new Conn horns are very poorly made and the slides don't work smoothly even when brand new! Junk! Luke Zyla Paxman Model 20L (Great slides!) - Original Message - From: To: "The Horn List" Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 1

Re: [Hornlist] Slide Grease and valve oil

2009-03-03 Thread Luke Zyla
Check out the wikipedia entry on lanolin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanolin I find the lanolin combines with the condensation inside the horn and creates an emulsion that make the horn gurgle and is difficult to remove without cleaning the horn with a good solvent (soap) and brush. About

RE: [Hornlist] Slide grease - different perspective

2009-03-03 Thread Reicher, Tom
But a horn that has been played continuousely since 1930 (as many have) is a different story, especially if the slides and receivers are brass and not nickel. Tom Reicher Partner Cooley Godward Kronish LLP * 101 California Street * 5th Floor San Francisco, CA 94111-5800 Direct: 415/693-2381 *

Re: [Hornlist] Slide Grease

2009-03-03 Thread Carlisle Landel
Yeah, sheep sweat, not sheep fat! ;-) But let me point out that the copper salts in the tubing of your horn are an *extremely* effective antimicrobial. There is not much growing in there, I'd wager. Carlisle -professional biologist and very amateur horn player who uses Bag Balm (lanolin

Re: [Hornlist] Slide grease - different perspective

2009-03-03 Thread hans.pi...@t-online.de
Why do slides get loose ? Because of too much polishing. Basta. I have used one horn from 1989 to 1999 extensively, means about 300 services in my orchestra/year plus all the other gigs & concerts & solo work, but the slides are as tight as on the first day, even the two tuning slides are not loose

RE: [Hornlist] Slide grease - different perspective

2009-03-03 Thread Reicher, Tom
Agree about the loose slide theory, based on two horns that I use, one with loose slides and the other with tight slides. The former requires more frequent applications of slide grease than the latter. Presumably, the valve oil is able to seep over the sliding surface and decompose the slide grea

Re: [Hornlist] Slide Grease

2009-03-03 Thread David A. Jewell
From: Martin Bender To: The Horn List Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2009 8:13:37 AM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Slide Grease ...It's really rendered sheep fat (which has a biologic source) and supports the growth of stuff inside your horn where it is warm and damp-- conditions which bacteria really like

[Hornlist] Slide grease - different perspective

2009-03-03 Thread Brass Arts Unlimited
>> Any suggestions for a long lasting slide grease.? I have tried gun grease; Selmer Slide/Cork Grease; GOO Tuning valve slide lube; Schilke Slide Grease w lanolin; all Hetman types; STP. Nothing lasts more than a week w the Holton Rotary valve oil I use. << I'd like to offer a different view. My

Re: [Hornlist] Slide Grease

2009-03-03 Thread Martin Bender
One other point: avoid using grease containing anhydrous lanolin. It's really rendered sheep fat (which has a biologic source) and supports the growth of stuff inside your horn where it is warm and damp-- conditions which bacteria really like. Sincerely, martin bender On 3-Mar-09, at 7:30

Re: [Hornlist] Slide Grease

2009-03-03 Thread mkolnsberg
Thanks Hans, will go to oiling the valves less. -Original Message- From: Prof.Hans Pizka To: 'The Horn List' Sent: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 2:01 am Subject: AW: [Hornlist] Slide Grease Your problem, Mark, is it that you oil the valves too often. If the horn is layed every day, the moist & a

Re: [Hornlist] Slide Grease

2009-03-03 Thread mkolnsberg
Hi Gretchen, ]Thanks for the detailed reply. I to use no 5 wt on upper and lower valve bearings, Holten rotor oil down the slide tubes to oil the internal rotor surfaces. I'll try the Fat Cat grease on the slides. BR, Mark -Original Message- From: gretchenz...@gmail.com To: The Horn L

Re: [Hornlist] Slide Grease

2009-03-03 Thread mkolnsberg
Hi Loren, Interesting point. I oil my valves more for a prventative maintance standpoint 3 times a week. Valves have just been rebuilt and are hyper tight, like I want them.? Will try oiling just 2 times a week and see what hapens. Thanks, Mark -Original Message- From: Loren Mayhew T