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And then there are older band parts that have neither key signature on each
line nor accidentals. The key signature is only at the beginning or where it
changes, and that is usually smeared by all the copyin
And then there are older band parts that have neither key signature on each
line nor accidentals. The key signature is only at the beginning or where it
changes, and that is usually smeared by all the copying of copies or in a band
book the size of microfiche.
Herb Foster
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I have always written my horn parts with key signatures, and I have never
had a complaint. Not about that, anyway. Like most composers, I have had
complaints about everything else!
David Lamb in Seattle
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Respectfully, I disagree. I would just as soon have a key. And a good
deal of what I am asked to play has a key signature.
Clearly the generation of horn players that changed from natural to
valved horns preferred no key (see R. Strauss' note to that effect in
the Berlioz treatise on orchestra
Actually on Sibelius there's an option for a trumpet [no key]. I don;t see
too many trumpet parts so i don't know if it is often used. I believe the
reason (i'm sure someone will soon correct me but still...) that the horns
don't
hae a key is to allow the conductor a point of location on the
Thanks for that Hans - the ACCIDENTALS - I forgot! You are quite right. I
always cuss loud and long with (some) modern composers who write for Horn with a
key sig. I can sit and play the piano with a key signature no problem (well..)
but put one on the horn part and I'm lost - I can't remember f
--- Mark Syslo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Seems to me this is one of the few spots in the literature that my
> teacher strongly suggested to memorize the movement. I haven't played
> it in years, but I remember the licks!
>
Even those learning it by heart have to be able to read it in the fir
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Brahms 2.
>From what I remember, there wouldn't have been a problem
writing that
>movement
in F - H wasn't done to avoid leger lines. If there is a
hist
Seems to me this is one of the few spots in the literature that my
teacher strongly suggested to memorize the movement. I haven't played
it in years, but I remember the licks!
Mark Syslo
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Brahms 2.
>From what I remember, there wouldn't have been a problem writing that movement
in F - H wasn't done to avoid leger lines. If there is a historical reason
(crooks etc.) then I'll get me coat but otherwise WHY make it SO difficult for
the reader? I know one can learn it, practice it and
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> I always th
the octave
???
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I always think of H like horn in C then flat eve
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I always think of H like horn in C then
s
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Hmm! I am quite pleased I don't have to play the 3rd horn
part of Luccia Di Lamamoor
Glad
I always think of H like horn in C then flat everything
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Hmm! I am quite pleased I don't have to play the 3rd horn part of
Luccia Di Lamamoor
Glad I'm the first horn!;-)
Francis
On Aug 28, 2006, at 7:16 AM, hans wrote:
Last comment (do not kill me for that):
If one is not prepared to read music in all keys &
transpositions, why applying
I always thought of it when down as down a fifth (Bb) less a half step.
Ron
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the way I started learning tranposition is interval + key signature. After a
while of doing it that way it pretty much turned into reading clefs. Anyway I
started by figuring out my interval and then figuring out my key signature,
then it just took practice. So for H ( B natural ) I would re
"automatic".
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ght.
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Hello!
Thankyou, this is a really good point. I used to be able to
do this wh
I may be mistaken, but I seem to recall that many years ago Phil Farkas
stated that he inserted a small piece of paper with the pencilled in
transposition of sections of the 2nd Movt. of Brahms 2. He felt it was
good insurance.
Pete Exline
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Chrissie:
I am also preparing this excerpt for the first time after having played a
few auditions without it. A few things that I am finding are working for
me: 1) Review our written F# scale just to get the fingerings into the
fingers. 2) Transpose by clef instead if interval (I went back a
This is why I prefer transposing by clef and not by interval. That
way, horn in B (H) and horn in B-flat (B) are the same except for
the key signature. For horn in B-flat, read it as mezzo-soprano
clef and add a flat. For horn in B, read it as mezzo soprano clef
and add six sharps.
Obviousl
Hello!
Thankyou, this is a really good point. I used to be able to do this when I
played Eb Tenor Horn still, but forgot how to!
Thanks again!
Chrissie
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ge of the Bb horn for fast moving, articulated parts, in the
low register.
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I managed to avoid this throughout my rep exams in my degree, but now
it's a
In a message dated 8/27/06 12:17:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> However, if I found
> myself close to an audition and did not know a piece well in the original
> key, and knowing that auditions produce enough nerves without the added
> burden, I would play from the part in F.
>
At many pro
burden, I would play from the part in F.
Fred
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I have played 2nd in Brahms #2 from such printed part, where
I have played 2nd in Brahms #2 from such printed part, where everything was
transposed for horn in
F. That took part of the fun out of it. I much rather would have been presented
to the part, as
Brahms wrote it in the score.
Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre
--- Fred Baucom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Thank you everyone for your advice!
I don't think purchasing a new horn with the A+ valve is the best answer, as
I'm happy with the horn I have!
And I already mentioned memorising it, but thank you for the smart comments
anyway.
Chrissie
On Aug 27, 2006, at 3:38 AM, Christine Ranson wrote:
Its really quite simple. LEARN IT BY HEART
I managed to avoid this throughout my rep exams in my degree, but
now it's a requested piece of rep for a rather important audition
which is very soon.
I CANNOT get my head around B natural!
Then again, you could transpose to C, then down 1/2 step to get the fingerings.
Ultimately, as pointed out, you would memorize it.
Herb Foster
--- Klaus Bjerre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- Christine Ranson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > I managed to avoid this throughout my rep exams in m
Horn in H is in some ways the easiest of transpositions, because of how
the tritone works. Written C is played f# and a written F# is played C. If
you are great with tritones then it won't be a problem.
I would also suggest playing along with a recording. The first horn part in
this movement is v
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Subject: [Hornlist] Brahms 2.
I managed to avoid this throughout my rep exams in my degree, but now it's a
requested piece of rep for a rather important audition which is very soon.
I CANNOT get my head around B natural!
Does anybody have any tip
--- Christine Ranson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I managed to avoid this throughout my rep exams in my degree, but now it's a
> requested piece of
> rep for a rather important audition which is very soon.
>
> I CANNOT get my head around B natural!
>
> Does anybody have any tips to go about s
Christine Ranson wrote:
I CANNOT get my head around B natural!
Do you mean you can't easily do B natural transpositions on an F horn, or
you're having problems with playing music written in that key?
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I managed to avoid this throughout my rep exams in my degree, but now it's a
requested piece of rep for a rather important audition which is very soon.
I CANNOT get my head around B natural!
Does anybody have any tips to go about sight the initial sight reading of it?
(Bar the obvious listeni
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