sheldon kirshner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The line is Schmidt,
Geyer, Leuchnik (sp?), Lewis (although Lewis' link with Geyer is also direct
and personal).
Shel I guess I have to call into question the comment that Steve Lewis' link
with Geyer is "direct." Lewis arrived in Chicago a full 2 y
at he considered
very good American valves. Perhaps he got valves elsewhere, as well.
Shel
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Dick Martz
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Steve Mumford said: "There was a non-ferrous mill in Elkhart in the old
days."
It must have been a fairly big operation as there were several makers of the
old soda-acid fire extinguishers (the kind you had to hold upside down and a
foaming liquid came out of) in Elkhart. I think somewhere in the
Hi, Guys
Here's what I have to offer about C.F. Schmidt:
http://www.rjmartz.com/horns/schmidt/cfschmidt.html
My first horn was a Schmidt-like object with no label so I've
aiways been fond of them. I had to trade it in for an 8-D when I moved to the
Philadelphia area:
http://www.rjmartz.com/horn
Geyer did work for Wunderlich and there was a definite connection with
Schmidt, expecially for parts, in that shop. If Paul Navarro is on the list,
I
think he knows the history well as he apprenticed with Geyer as did others
including Lowell Greer and Ron Pinc.
KB
In a message dated
Geyer didn't train with Schmidt, although he did build Schmidt model horns.
He trained in Markneukirchen, which was and still is a mecca for instrument
building of all kinds.
There was a non-ferrous mill in Elkhart in the old days and Conn was able
to get some custom alloys. I do
I don't know specifically in the case of Kruspe or Schmidt, but Geyer did
not use a mandrel to make leadpipes. He had a flat pattern he traced onto a
sheet of brass which he then cut out and rolled into a tapered tube. After
filing the edges a bit to clean them up the seam was brazed and
So, what exactly was Conn's "boo-boo"? Just the use of German Silver, or the
whole megillah?
Dave Weiner
Brass Arts Unlimited
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Dave, no need for puzzles here. The whole thing is a clear as the view from
Mt. Washington, assuming it's not snowing. Conn copied the Kruspe Horner
Model and experimented with the tapers with the assistance of professionals at
the time. Wrap and general dimensions got copied verbatim.
Kendall, from what I understand, only 1 Kruspe flare was assayed, and given
the very nature of handmade instruments of that vintage, there was probably
a great deal of variance between the alloys available to Kruspe at the time,
thus I don't believe that there is a 'standard' Kruspe alloy. Having w
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Thanks Kendall, and Steve Mumford, too, for the corrected information on
>From what I know, Horner worked exclusively with Kruspe. Maybe they knew
Schmidt? Hard to say. There was a predecessor model, the "Fritz" that Kruspe
made, and the Horner model is similar to that. I think all the German makers
of the time got patents for double horn designs and built th
Kruspe pipes are long F horn tapers as well. The main difference is that
the Kruspe pipes I've seen had more "bumps" or "bubbles," (wider or narrower
spots in the taper) than the Schmidt or 8D pipe.. Why, I don't know but in
general those can have an effect on both sound and response. If
standard
alloys are generally available these days, I'm wondering if this wou
ld have been the case back when Conn was making the original 8D?
Dave Weiner
Brass Arts Unlimited
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Thanks Kendall, and Steve Mumford, too, for the corrected information on
Schmidt and the American horn makers. It's always good to get things
straight, especially given the lack of documentation and the "urban
legends" that have grown up around horn making (perhaps "fabrication"
would be good w
Kendall,
To help me understand this, did the Horner Model Kruspe develop parallel
with the Schmidt, or did Horner "borrow" a little of the Schmidt design when
he went to Kruspe?
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> Actually, the 8D leadpipe is copied from the Schmidt, as
Mr. Betts,
May I pick your brain? What are the differences in taper between the
Kruspe pipe and the Schmidt pipe and what do they do to the playing
feel/sound? Just curious!
Aleks Ozolins
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Actually, the 8D leadpipe is copied from the Sch
Actually, the 8D leadpipe is copied from the Schmidt, as are many others
including Geyer, Reynolds, King, Olds, Holton, generic Allied, etc. It's a
long, gradual F horn taper. It's probably a better pipe than the Kruspe pipes
in
regard to intonation but both have upper register problems.
list] Re: C.F. Schmidt History
"Schmidt made great horns. Unfortunately, they
weren't designed to fit the human hand"--Samuel Ramsay.
Although Sam built a little "platform" over the
change valve that made his Schmidt as comfortable to play as
any horn. If a
The Conn 8D was modeled after the Horner model Kruspe. The Schmidt
features a piston F/Bb change valve, rather than a rotary valve. Many
people, especially with smaller hands, have found this awkward. Several
Schmidt owners have had a metal lever extension made to replace the
piston button in o
was the conn 8d modeled after the Schmidt?
In a message dated 1/29/2008 1:30:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
"Schmidt made great horns. Unfortunately, they weren't designed to
fit the human hand"--Samuel Ramsay.
Although Sam built a little "platform" over the cha
"Schmidt made great horns. Unfortunately, they weren't designed to
fit the human hand"--Samuel Ramsay.
Although Sam built a little "platform" over the change valve that
made his Schmidt as comfortable to play as any horn. If anybody
knows what happened to Sam's Schmidt, please contact me. I
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